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Old 09-29-2022, 11:45 AM   #19231
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The pushback he said he gave to that one female artist he produced I can almost bet he would never do to Dave.
Side note to your main point, but Rachel Yamagata's first album is very good. I haven't listened to the rest, so I cant comment on those, but I do like the first one.
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    Some observations from listening to dead wax interview with Alagia:

    1. Your close friend can not be your editor. He can say he will be honest but he will not be honest. The pushback he said he gave to that one female artist he produced I can almost bet he would never do to Dave.

    2. Dave started playing guitar in his 20's? No, he didn't. It's well documented he always had a guitar at his side growing up. Sounds like a fan, yeah man he is so amazing and only started in his 20's. Of course he could have just misspoke. But having a huge fan as your producer. Not good.

    3. See #1. That is why "She" was on last record. That song sucks. I want to hear Daves quirky riffs not generic rock. Alagia was like Dave check out this riff and what's Dave gonna say, "uh, no thanks John." Dave is too nice.

    4. Record company needs to step in and make them use a real producer. Not meaning Alagia isn't one but he is too close. Can't see the forest for the trees because he is in the inner circle. Maybe now is when you go full circle and get T-Bone Burnett.

    All in all this is why this whole process is dragging out. No leader. Dave doesn't seem to be a leader. Leaders make tough decisions. Dave has been talked out of doing what he wants on several records. He keeps saying it in interviews. I liked it but .....

    So we have no leader, no editor, no album.

    Just something to debate til 2023.
    Sounds about right. You’d think this would be obvious at this point that they need a producer to lead the effort.
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    Old 09-29-2022, 11:50 AM   #19233
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    Some observations from listening to dead wax interview with Alagia:

    1. Your close friend can not be your editor. He can say he will be honest but he will not be honest. The pushback he said he gave to that one female artist he produced I can almost bet he would never do to Dave.

    2. Dave started playing guitar in his 20's? No, he didn't. It's well documented he always had a guitar at his side growing up. Sounds like a fan, yeah man he is so amazing and only started in his 20's. Of course he could have just misspoke. But having a huge fan as your producer. Not good.

    3. See #1. That is why "She" was on last record. That song sucks. I want to hear Daves quirky riffs not generic rock. Alagia was like Dave check out this riff and what's Dave gonna say, "uh, no thanks John." Dave is too nice.

    4. Record company needs to step in and make them use a real producer. Not meaning Alagia isn't one but he is too close. Can't see the forest for the trees because he is in the inner circle. Maybe now is when you go full circle and get T-Bone Burnett.

    All in all this is why this whole process is dragging out. No leader. Dave doesn't seem to be a leader. Leaders make tough decisions. Dave has been talked out of doing what he wants on several records. He keeps saying it in interviews. I liked it but .....

    So we have no leader, no editor, no album.

    Just something to debate til 2023.

    All very interesting points.
    I have the impression that at this point of its career, Dave doesn’t want a real producer. A Steve Lillywhite that makes tough decision, sometimes against Dave’s opinion. That’s why Alagia and Evans.
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    Not sure how accurate the points are to DMB specifically, could be completely on point, but I do agree with a lot of Elconguero's points in general
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    Old 09-29-2022, 01:52 PM   #19235
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    Some observations from listening to dead wax interview with Alagia:

    1. Your close friend can not be your editor. He can say he will be honest but he will not be honest. The pushback he said he gave to that one female artist he produced I can almost bet he would never do to Dave.

    2. Dave started playing guitar in his 20's? No, he didn't. It's well documented he always had a guitar at his side growing up. Sounds like a fan, yeah man he is so amazing and only started in his 20's. Of course he could have just misspoke. But having a huge fan as your producer. Not good.

    3. See #1. That is why "She" was on last record. That song sucks. I want to hear Daves quirky riffs not generic rock. Alagia was like Dave check out this riff and what's Dave gonna say, "uh, no thanks John." Dave is too nice.

    4. Record company needs to step in and make them use a real producer. Not meaning Alagia isn't one but he is too close. Can't see the forest for the trees because he is in the inner circle. Maybe now is when you go full circle and get T-Bone Burnett.

    All in all this is why this whole process is dragging out. No leader. Dave doesn't seem to be a leader. Leaders make tough decisions. Dave has been talked out of doing what he wants on several records. He keeps saying it in interviews. I liked it but .....

    So we have no leader, no editor, no album.

    Just something to debate til 2023.

    Ya, I was confused about Alga saying Dave started playing in his 20's. I thought he started around 9 or 10? Perhaps he started writing/getting serious about playing in his 20s, but the band formed in his 20's, so he wasn't a noob.
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    All very interesting points.
    I have the impression that at this point of its career, Dave doesn’t want a real producer. A Steve Lillywhite that makes tough decision, sometimes against Dave’s opinion. That’s why Alagia and Evans.
    Ya. I would agree with you. I think the band is more concerned with enjoying the process and getting along as opposed to someone that's going to push them to make a great record at any cost.
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    Side note to your main point, but Rachel Yamagata's first album is very good. I haven't listened to the rest, so I cant comment on those, but I do like the first one.
    Yes! Haven't listened to it in sometime, but she's very talented. She was almost on the verge of being the next thing, but don't think her follow up records were that strong in terms of radio playability.
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    Some observations from listening to dead wax interview with Alagia:

    1. Your close friend can not be your editor. He can say he will be honest but he will not be honest. The pushback he said he gave to that one female artist he produced I can almost bet he would never do to Dave.

    2. Dave started playing guitar in his 20's? No, he didn't. It's well documented he always had a guitar at his side growing up. Sounds like a fan, yeah man he is so amazing and only started in his 20's. Of course he could have just misspoke. But having a huge fan as your producer. Not good.

    3. See #1. That is why "She" was on last record. That song sucks. I want to hear Daves quirky riffs not generic rock. Alagia was like Dave check out this riff and what's Dave gonna say, "uh, no thanks John." Dave is too nice.

    4. Record company needs to step in and make them use a real producer. Not meaning Alagia isn't one but he is too close. Can't see the forest for the trees because he is in the inner circle. Maybe now is when you go full circle and get T-Bone Burnett.

    All in all this is why this whole process is dragging out. No leader. Dave doesn't seem to be a leader. Leaders make tough decisions. Dave has been talked out of doing what he wants on several records. He keeps saying it in interviews. I liked it but .....

    So we have no leader, no editor, no album.

    Just something to debate til 2023.
    She is a great rock song. Just fucking kills on the record and live. You can not like it, but some people do. So that's just a matter of opinion there.
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    She is a great rock song. Just fucking kills on the record and live. You can not like it, but some people do. So that's just a matter of opinion there.
    She is a trash song live. Yes some people like it but it isn't something that wins over the majority of a crowd like some of the classic big 3 songs. Song should be shelved forever and is an example of what I am worried about with a new album without someone challenging Dave. I want noo more She, Come Tomorrow, TGIY poorly written songs from this band.
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    She is a trash song live. Yes some people like it but it isn't something that wins over the majority of a crowd like some of the classic big 3 songs. Song should be shelved forever and is an example of what I am worried about with a new album without someone challenging Dave. I want noo more She, Come Tomorrow, TGIY poorly written songs from this band.
    To each their own. I think your opinions are TRASH too. Just trashy trash. Just throw them in the street with a dirty diaper. Whatever you like, I think it's trash. Just saying.
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    She is a great rock song. Just fucking kills on the record and live. You can not like it, but some people do. So that's just a matter of opinion there.
    She is horrible in the studio and live. The lyrics are terrible and it's boring. Bottom 10 all time for sure..maybe even bottom 5. The only memorable thing about the song for me is how the lyrics made me physically cringe whenever I saw it live. https://dmbalmanac.com/Lyrics.aspx?sid=16944
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    I love She. I also love Morrissey and the Chicago Bears. Take all of this for what you will.
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    People make wild exaggerations of what songs is in their bottom 5. One week She is on it, another response the same day they make room for Can't Stop and Plastic Girl (which has only been played twice, same year, 7 years ago).
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    I like She. I wouldn't pout if it's played at a show I'm at. Would like more '18-'22 shows in the LT series.
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    She is horrible in the studio and live. The lyrics are terrible and it's boring. Bottom 10 all time for sure..maybe even bottom 5. The only memorable thing about the song for me is how the lyrics made me physically cringe whenever I saw it live. https://dmbalmanac.com/Lyrics.aspx?sid=16944
    Cool. I honestly don't care how much you hate it and how much of an effort you are attempting to lay on to show that and make me say something back to you. I like it. It's a good song and I'll take it at 50% of the shows I go to.
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    People make wild exaggerations of what songs is in their bottom 5. One week She is on it, another response the same day they make room for Can't Stop and Plastic Girl (which has only been played twice, same year, 7 years ago).
    Exactly. It's just the hated flavor of the day. Geez you nut jobs.
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    That Girl is You
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    And I’m assuming Something to Tell My Baby coming up too.
    With the exception of TGIY I think the recordings of the remainder of these are solid. Not great in a live setting maybe (Here On Out and TGIY shine live), but the recordings are good.
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    People make wild exaggerations of what songs is in their bottom 5. One week She is on it, another response the same day they make room for Can't Stop and Plastic Girl (which has only been played twice, same year, 7 years ago).
    She is a solid bottom 5 song. As is Monkey Man.
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    Lol @ throw it in the street with a dirty diaper
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    I love She as well.
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    She is a solid bottom 5 song. As is Monkey Man.
    What is your bottom 5, nay, bottom 10, just to see how well you stick to it.
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    She is a solid bottom 5 song. As is Monkey Man.
    Agree. Rare doesn't mean good. I think people confuse the two sometimes.
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    Agree. Rare doesn't mean good. I think people confuse the two sometimes.

    This absolutely is the case
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    People make wild exaggerations of what songs is in their bottom 5. One week She is on it, another response the same day they make room for Can't Stop and Plastic Girl (which has only been played twice, same year, 7 years ago).
    Not really, I've always strongly disliked Good Good Time and it's bottom 5-10ish for me. The lineup has changed a little over the years since the band keeps producing bottom of the barrel material, like She
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    What is your bottom 5, nay, bottom 10, just to see how well you stick to it.
    To be fair, he has always been pretty vocal about his distaste for Monkey Man (I strongly disagree, obviously)

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    Agree. Rare doesn't mean good. I think people confuse the two sometimes.
    Agreed 100%. See “Dreams of Our Fathers”.
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    Not really, I've always strongly disliked Good Good Time and it's bottom 5-10ish for me. The lineup has changed a little over the years since the band keeps producing bottom of the barrel material, like She

    Oh my. I tend to agree with you more often then not but Good Good Time is a top song for me that I hope I get to see someday


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    Agree. Rare doesn't mean good. I think people confuse the two sometimes.
    I agree. I also think people confuse new and good sometimes. Like hoping for an album of all new songs when the potential of the new songs not being good is high.
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    Not really, I've always strongly disliked Good Good Time and it's bottom 5-10ish for me. The lineup has changed a little over the years since the band keeps producing bottom of the barrel material, like She

    I really love She actually. There very few DMB songs I dislike, I'm a fanboy!
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    Monkey Man never moved the needle for me . The intro is great and then it kinda loses me by the end. It would have been great if they finished it.
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    Monkey Man is an amazing tune. Surprised at this sudden "bottom 5 song" take.
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