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Old 04-12-2021, 03:52 PM   #353491
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a lot of people, myself included, wanted to -- and still want to -- defund the police
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    I never understand the “why aren’t people talking about ______”.


    Feel free to talk about it.
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    Hereís the thing. When people post things in here that Iíd like to read more about, or Iíd like to see if theyíre wrong or right, but they donít provide a link, I go to google and find it for myself. Itís pretty easy.
    Yeah I did that too. Covid cases per capita were under 1 per whatever in all of May in Iceland and then by the summer were 25X that and then by August 125X the May number. So by November they were already reversing and they shut down schools for a day to implement new restrictions in schools like masks. Muskie also didn't specify why that meant schools could open(and he never will). Also never specified how that applied to schools in the US and whether schools in the US met those criteria.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 03:59 PM   #353494
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    I also would like to defund the police

    And the military
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    I never understand the ďwhy arenít people talking about ______Ē.


    Feel free to talk about it.


    Equally annoying is people complaining about what people ARE talking about when they arenít even part of the conversation or havenít tried to start one.

    Starting to think some people just like to complain.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:00 PM   #353496
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    a lot of people, myself included, wanted to -- and still want to -- defund the police
    But I am guessing not in the way Republicans discuss it? Some issues you can't discuss with them like immigration because they go from zero to open borders. They foundational can't wrap their arms around a defund the police discussion.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:03 PM   #353497
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    drak man, this just isn't true.

    are you saying no democratic lawmakers? are you saying no democratic voters? are you saying no democratic activists?
    I don't know who Kama is but yes I am that almost nobody was discussing defund the police and certainly not in the way Republicans were framing it.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:03 PM   #353498
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    I never understand the “why aren’t people talking about ______”.


    Feel free to talk about it.
    Why have a legit conversation when you can just troll/ask loaded questions?

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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:04 PM   #353499
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    But I am guessing not in the way Republicans discuss it? Some issues you can't discuss with them like immigration because they go from zero to open borders. They foundational can't wrap their arms around a defund the police discussion.
    And they definitely exploit that potential for misunderstanding, too
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:08 PM   #353500
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    Why arenít we talking about Major needing more training after two biting incidents?
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:10 PM   #353501
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    Multiple people shot, including KPD officer at Austin-East Magnet High School



    https://www.wate.com/news/top-storie...t-high-school/
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    Why arenít we talking about John Oliver hammering Biden and Psaki last night?
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    I do not support defunding the police. I do support reforming the police. I also support reforming some of the laws they have to enforce that lead to needless interactions between police and civilians.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:26 PM   #353504
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    Why arenít we talking about John Oliver hammering Biden and Psaki last night?

    No no fox told me the media/comedy give the left a free pass.


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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:27 PM   #353505
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    I never understand the “why aren’t people talking about ______”.


    Feel free to talk about it.
    Yeah I mean I don’t like the rioting, but let’s think about who should be held to a higher standard in this story.

    This doesn’t defend it, but when a lot of people get angry about something, there’s going to be some unlawlessness.

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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:31 PM   #353506
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    I thought it took him quite a while to get around to cuffing him. Also, shouldn't he close the driver's door?

    Once itís time to cuff, you cuff. Youíll see him start, then get distracted and try to talk more to the suspect which gave him time/opportunity to resist and get into his car.

    Taser would totally be appropriate for that situation, too. Lady cop pulled a gat instead.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:31 PM   #353507
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    I do not support defunding the police. I do support reforming the police. I also support reforming some of the laws they have to enforce that lead to needless interactions between police and civilians.
    Thatís kinda what the ďdefund the policeĒ crowd wants, their messaging just fucking sucks
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:35 PM   #353508
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    Thatís kinda what the ďdefund the policeĒ crowd wants, their messaging just fucking sucks
    ďDefund the policeĒ seems pretty clear tbh
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:37 PM   #353509
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    Once itís time to cuff, you cuff. Youíll see him start, then get distracted and try to talk more to the suspect which gave him time/opportunity to resist and get into his car.

    Taser would totally be appropriate for that situation, too. Lady cop pulled a gat instead.


    Whatís the weight difference between a gun and a taser? Has to be pretty noticeable?

    Iíve never shot a taser only even been tased
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    Why arenít we talking about John Oliver hammering Biden and Psaki last night?

    I havenít watched yet, but I know he goes after assisted living/nursing homes in the main segment, which is just great considering my grandmother is being transferred to one next week.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:39 PM   #353511
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    That’s kinda what the “defund the police” crowd wants, their messaging just fucking sucks
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    “Defund the police” seems pretty clear tbh
    it's not. it's entirely unambiguous.

    when people say defund, they mean defund.

    take money away from police departments and use the resources elsewhere to better address myriad issue.

    not add additional money and "reform".

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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:43 PM   #353512
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    Completely defunding the police would be dumb.
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    Whatís the weight difference between a gun and a taser? Has to be pretty noticeable?

    Iíve never shot a taser only even been tased

    Iíve not deployed a taser

    My agency doesnít carry them.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:46 PM   #353514
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    Completely defunding the police would be dumb.
    it is a good thing that very few people are actually suggesting that then!

    the actual term you're looking for here is abolition.
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    I wonder what the people (many of whom are minority) who live in areas with higher crime rates think about the “defund the police” idea
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    Old 04-12-2021, 04:59 PM   #353516
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    Most people who say “defund the police” don’t want police departments completely stripped of funding, they just want the money to be used more wisely. Mental health is a big part of it.
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    I wonder what the people (many of whom are minority) who live in areas with higher crime rates think about the “defund the police” idea
    just say what you want to say. everyone needs to cut the questioning and passive voice. you don't actually wonder.

    if you wondered, you would look up the data and provide it. instead you just want to vaguely gesture towards some shit.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...or-misconduct/

    "The survey finds little support for reducing spending on policing. Just 25% of Americans say spending on policing in their area should be decreased, with only 12% saying it should be decreased a lot; another 14% say it should be reduced a little.

    A 73% majority say that spending on their local police should stay about the same as it is now (42%) or be increased from its current level (31%). While Black adults are more likely than whites to favor cuts in police budgets, fewer than half of Black adults (42%) say spending on policing in their areas should be reduced. That is double the share of white adults who favor cutting funding for their local police (21%).

    There also are sizable age differences in views of funding for policing. Among both Black and white adults, those under age 50 are far more likely to support decreased funding for police in their areas than are those 50 and older.

    Overall, a majority of Americans (58%) say that police around the country are doing an excellent or good job of protecting people from crimes – a view held by 78% of Republicans and Republican leaners but 43% of Democrats and Democratic leaners. Two-thirds of white adults (67%) say the police are doing a good or excellent job of protecting people, while just 28% of Black adults say the same. Half of Hispanic adults say police do an excellent or good job of protecting people.

    There are racial and ethnic divides among Democrats in these views: While just 27% of Black Democrats say police do an excellent or good job protecting people from crime (and fully 72% say they do a poor job of this), about half of white Democrats (49%) and 42% of Hispanic Democrats say the same."

    % who say spending on policing IN YOUR AREA should be...

    42% of black respondents think it should be decreased, 22% increased, 33% remain about the same.

    21% of white respondents think it should be decreased, 33% increased, 44% remain about the same.

    24% of hispanic respondents think it should be decreased, 37% increased, 39% remain about the same.

    none of this is novel or shocking! these seem entirely in line with what people's general sentiment is, and what the sentiments of our elected representatives are.

    about a quarter of the population favors reduced police funding in their communities, certainly not "nobody" as drak contends.
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    Old 04-12-2021, 05:04 PM   #353518
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    Looks like there was a school shooting in Knoxville
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    it is a good thing that very few people are actually suggesting that then!

    the actual term you're looking for here is abolition.
    When you defund something, it's hard for it to operate. So by defunding the police, you're essentially abolishing the police.
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    It has been my experience that "defund the police" came from minority communities
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