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Old 02-10-2024, 07:28 PM   #1
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Started tonight with 1. The goal is one a week. My notes:

-Butch on those old Seek Up intros was gold.

-Does the Sax solo on Seek Up use an effect? It’s a great sound.

- I respect what they were doing with Linus and Lucy. it veers into “stupid Phish” territory…and believe it or not that’s a compliment.


- Tim in 1998 was a force of nature (Heartbeat Intro)

- PNP is 45 seconds, and LeRoi makes a gigantic difference over Jeff/Rashawn. The notes are somehow better. Says a lot about how good he was.

- This is what Tim should be contributing to Satellite. Someone said in a thread today something about Tim being an amazing spice and not a great main course, and that’s spot on. This Satellite is exhibit A.

- My friend just came over “This song is insane” non DMB fan on #41 with Bela Fleck

- SMTS > ASTB > Too Much has always been great


-- The outrage over Last Stop is warranted.
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    Good luck on the next several months of your life with this goal
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    LT3 is going to be your favorite listen. Fonz on Ants is heaven.
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    I'd be curious to see you rank them all.
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    I’ll check back in a year!
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    I’ll check back in a year!


    One a week? That’s 16 months! Plus DMB would have released 5-6 LTs before you get to LT64.
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    Started tonight with 1. The goal is one a week. My notes:

    -Butch on those old Seek Up intros was gold.

    -Does the Sax solo on Seek Up use an effect? It’s a great sound.

    - I respect what they were doing with Linus and Lucy. it veers into “stupid Phish” territory…and believe it or not that’s a compliment.


    - Tim in 1998 was a force of nature (Heartbeat Intro)

    - PNP is 45 seconds, and LeRoi makes a gigantic difference over Jeff/Rashawn. The notes are somehow better. Says a lot about how good he was.

    - This is what Tim should be contributing to Satellite. Someone said in a thread today something about Tim being an amazing spice and not a great main course, and that’s spot on. This Satellite is exhibit A.

    - My friend just came over “This song is insane” non DMB fan on #41 with Bela Fleck

    - SMTS > ASTB > Too Much has always been great


    -- The outrage over Last Stop is warranted.
    Mind if I join in? I’ll catch up on LT 1 and get LT 2 ready for next week!
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    Crazy thing is on paper that’s one of the weakest sets of 1998.

    That last stop is in top 3 performances ever by the band
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    I’m in. Literally the only bad thing about this plan is it will take the better part of a year to get to LT47, which is one of the best.
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    Listen to this Last Stop and then listen to the MSG 2023 performance. Then think of all the people on DMB social media who tell others the band has “evolved” and to “embrace the change”. Yeah ok…
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    Yeah Roi used effects occasionally on Seek Up. Another famous time he does them is on 7.30.01. After Dave goes off, in contrast Roi takes a way more chill and moody solo than he normally did and plays with harmonizing and other effects.
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    I’ve thought about doing this with all releases but doing it in chronological order.
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    W6 2024: Live Trax 1: Worcester’s Centrum Centre, December 8, 1998

    This really is a great show. Thoughts:

    - To me, the Chet is the quintessential Dave guitar, and it makes certain songs shine like they don’t with other guitars. So Much to Say is a top example.

    - I love and miss mid-set Stays.

    - As has been said elsewhere, I prefer Tim as a guest to Tim as a member. I also think his style has evolved towards harder rock, which while I don’t dislike, I certainly like less.

    - Although the 4/20/2002 version of #41 is the reference point, I actually find this version to be more true to the song. I also prefer the outro with Dave’s improvised lyrics here.

    - Linus and Lucy never has, and probably never will, do it for me. If the band is going to do a cover, I’m looking for it to be really different from the original, and this isn’t that.

    - The key change in The Last Stop is kinda sloppy.

    - I don’t like the drawn-out ending to The Last Stop. The band has always had a tendency to do these long, slow endings (see also Seek Up, Bartender, etc.) and they don’t do it for me.

    - Short sets aren't automatically bad sets!

    - I’ll Back You Up needs to come back.

    - Jeff seems to have stagnated. He was so brilliant back in the late 90s and early 2000s… what happened? Is it him or the band? I like him now, but I loved him back in the day.
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    This is a great idea. I look forward to hearing reviews/thoughts on each show.
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    One-a-week is reasonable. I'm in.
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    Couple of Live Trax reference guides on the almanac:

    https://dmbalmanac.com/ListView.aspx?id=25
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    W6 2024: Live Trax 1: Worcester’s Centrum Centre, December 8, 1998

    This really is a great show. Thoughts:

    - To me, the Chet is the quintessential Dave guitar, and it makes certain songs shine like they don’t with other guitars. So Much to Say is a top example.

    - I love and miss mid-set Stays.

    - As has been said elsewhere, I prefer Tim as a guest to Tim as a member. I also think his style has evolved towards harder rock, which while I don’t dislike, I certainly like less.

    - Although the 4/20/2002 version of #41 is the reference point, I actually find this version to be more true to the song. I also prefer the outro with Dave’s improvised lyrics here.

    - Linus and Lucy never has, and probably never will, do it for me. If the band is going to do a cover, I’m looking for it to be really different from the original, and this isn’t that.

    - The key change in The Last Stop is kinda sloppy.

    - I don’t like the drawn-out ending to The Last Stop. The band has always had a tendency to do these long, slow endings (see also Seek Up, Bartender, etc.) and they don’t do it for me.

    - Short sets aren't automatically bad sets!

    - I’ll Back You Up needs to come back.

    - Jeff seems to have stagnated. He was so brilliant back in the late 90s and early 2000s… what happened? Is it him or the band? I like him now, but I loved him back in the day.
    Interesting take on the Chet! It does sound good with the early versions of the band, but don't think it really fits the modern sound and the technology available now to have straightforward acoustics cut through the mix.

    I like Tim then, and I like Tim now. But it's just hard to compare as the entire sound of the band morphed in 2008 to a more rock sound. That doesn't seem like a Tim thing as much as band decision to incorporate that aspect of his playing.

    As far as Jeff goes, I also think it's a band decision. Around 2012 they really started changing his contribution. His role was so minimal on AFTW. By 2016 I think it was the biggest change overall. He and RR became a "section".

    I liked it when they'd let him cut loose on #41 or WWYS. When he would walk out and jam with Carter or grab 2 saxes and put on a show. It seems intentional to keep him in the corner with RR and now let him get a moment in the spotlight. Maybe Dave got tired of that, but you'd think they'd let him bust out every now and then.

    You do have to wonder with JC if it's more of great J O B these days and less of a passion/fun thing for him. DMB is his main gig. He likely does it for the fans more than anything, and he gets paid well. It only takes up 4 to 6 months of his year, and leaves him time for his other projects that seem more oriented towards his creativity and passion.

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    One a week? That’s 16 months! Plus DMB would have released 5-6 LTs before you get to LT64.
    Sounds like a great 16 months.
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    are ya'll talking about Jeff on a 1998 show? maybe not, but one post said he has stagnated bc he's not what he was in late 90s and early 2000s. as we all know, he wasn't with DMB then other than the occasional Flecktones 41 stuff.

    also, every time i read "RR" in a post, I think "Robert Randolph." and then I wish it WAS Robert Randolph.

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    are ya'll talking about Jeff on a 1998 show? maybe not, but one post said he has stagnated bc he's not what he was in late 90s and early 2000s. as we all know, he wasn't with DMB then other than the occasional Flecktones 41 stuff.

    also, every time i read "RR" in a post, I think "Robert Randolph." and then I wish it WAS Robert Randolph.
    Ya, I don't know what I was thinking. He's certainly not a part of LT 1. Just got off track. But yes, him being a guest and then his early contributions as a full time member post 08, are vastly different than what he does now. And it doesn't appear that he is the one making that decision given his playing with others is on point with what's he's capable of.
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    Started tonight with 1. The goal is one a week. My notes:

    -Butch on those old Seek Up intros was gold.

    -Does the Sax solo on Seek Up use an effect? It’s a great sound.

    - I respect what they were doing with Linus and Lucy. it veers into “stupid Phish” territory…and believe it or not that’s a compliment.


    - Tim in 1998 was a force of nature (Heartbeat Intro)

    - PNP is 45 seconds, and LeRoi makes a gigantic difference over Jeff/Rashawn. The notes are somehow better. Says a lot about how good he was.

    - This is what Tim should be contributing to Satellite. Someone said in a thread today something about Tim being an amazing spice and not a great main course, and that’s spot on. This Satellite is exhibit A.

    - My friend just came over “This song is insane” non DMB fan on #41 with Bela Fleck

    - SMTS > ASTB > Too Much has always been great


    -- The outrage over Last Stop is warranted.

    Nice thread, bud. I will check back for your comments, and probably will organize some LTs revisiting accordingly.
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    W7 2024: Live Trax 2: Golden Gate Park, September 12, 2004

    There's a lot to like in this show, but also a lot of middling-to-average stuff, and I'm of the view that if it weren't for Santana on the Warehouse > Sugar Will > Watchtower run it would be almost forgettable.

    If I could carve the show up into a short festival set, I'd do it as follows:

    - One Sweet World
    - The entire run from Lie in Our Graves through Watchtower

    That's it. Joyride is great, especially in 2004, but it feels out of place.

    Specific comments:

    - The bridge is a fucking mess, and Pantala is tired. Oof.
    - Boyd sounds great on LIE IN.
    - DRIVE, where have you gone?
    - Top-notch LOVING WINGS > WHERE ARE YOU.
    - 2004-era HELLO AGAIN is awesome.
    - I love Dave's guitar solo in JIMI. More, please.
    - I do not miss the For What It's Worth singalongs.
    - The Santana run is epic. Why didn't the set end with WATCHTOWER?
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    W7 2024: Live Trax 2: Golden Gate Park, September 12, 2004

    There's a lot to like in this show, but also a lot of middling-to-average stuff, and I'm of the view that if it weren't for Santana on the Warehouse > Sugar Will > Watchtower run it would be almost forgettable.

    If I could carve the show up into a short festival set, I'd do it as follows:

    - One Sweet World
    - The entire run from Lie in Our Graves through Watchtower

    That's it. Joyride is great, especially in 2004, but it feels out of place.

    Specific comments:

    - The bridge is a fucking mess, and Pantala is tired. Oof.
    - Boyd sounds great on LIE IN.
    - DRIVE, where have you gone?
    - Top-notch LOVING WINGS > WHERE ARE YOU.
    - 2004-era HELLO AGAIN is awesome.
    - I love Dave's guitar solo in JIMI. More, please.
    - I do not miss the For What It's Worth singalongs.
    - The Santana run is epic. Why didn't the set end with WATCHTOWER?
    The 41 mishap on this show is hilarious
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    W7 2024: Live Trax 2: Golden Gate Park, September 12, 2004

    There's a lot to like in this show, but also a lot of middling-to-average stuff, and I'm of the view that if it weren't for Santana on the Warehouse > Sugar Will > Watchtower run it would be almost forgettable.

    If I could carve the show up into a short festival set, I'd do it as follows:

    - One Sweet World
    - The entire run from Lie in Our Graves through Watchtower

    That's it. Joyride is great, especially in 2004, but it feels out of place.

    Specific comments:

    - The bridge is a fucking mess, and Pantala is tired. Oof.
    - Boyd sounds great on LIE IN.
    - DRIVE, where have you gone?
    - Top-notch LOVING WINGS > WHERE ARE YOU.
    - 2004-era HELLO AGAIN is awesome.
    - I love Dave's guitar solo in JIMI. More, please.
    - I do not miss the For What It's Worth singalongs.
    - The Santana run is epic. Why didn't the set end with WATCHTOWER?

    I just got this on vinyl recently, and spending a lot of time with it.

    I actually love this show. I think it's great. Not middle of the road at all. It has a few hiccups in the playing but nothing detrimental. It's not Central Park which was pretty perfect performance wise.

    I don't think Santana makes or breaks the show. Def cool, but it would be good show without him too.
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    Santana on AAWT is one of my favorite performances ever. Also love the Chapelle Show/Lil John outro on Too Much. Other than that its a forgettable LT
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    Always come back to LT2 for BOWA, DIDO,Joyride, and Sugar Will with Santana
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    I feel like a lot of people forget the significance of this show when it came out. LT series had just been announced and this show literally just happened 2 months before its release. All of the 2004 gems that people loved, sprinkled in with favorites: #41, OSW, Loving Wings, LIOG, The Stone.. people were jazzed this was selected. I also don't know how any show with Santana can be deemed as "forgettable". Oof. On the flip side, I was definitely not a fan of this version of 41 with the fast intro; the "Everyday" ending wasn't awful to hear a few times. Glad that got shelved after a while.. same with the FWIW outro to Jimi. Still give this show a solid 4/5
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    I feel like a lot of people forget the significance of this show when it came out. LT series had just been announced and this show literally just happened 2 months before its release. All of the 2004 gems that people loved, sprinkled in with favorites: #41, OSW, Loving Wings, LIOG, The Stone.. people were jazzed this was selected. I also don't know how any show with Santana can be deemed as "forgettable". Oof. On the flip side, I was definitely not a fan of this version of 41 with the fast intro; the "Everyday" ending wasn't awful to hear a few times. Glad that got shelved after a while.. same with the FWIW outro to Jimi. Still give this show a solid 4/5
    Same it's a very classic DMB show. And up there with any "official release" in terms of quality. I think they picked it in advance for the Live Trax series rather than an official release. I like that it's not cleaned up our overdubbed like some other official releases.
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    I also don't know how any show with Santana can be deemed as "forgettable". Oof.
    I said it would be almost forgettable if it weren’t for Santana.
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    Joy Ride, BOWA, LIOG, the Santana run, and Too Much are all amazing performances from LT2 IMO. Big fan of this one.
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