Share your unpopular DMB opinions.

[TheStone91]

Originally Posted by eggsrsweet

Studio Mercy is better than all three, yes. WWYS may be the only exception. DDTW studio is too slow. Too Much is the worst song from the Big 3. WWYS is nice; love it mostly.



But I think Mercy is the best thing they've done in the studio since the Big 3. The way its mixed. The way the whole band is utilized throughout. And the last minute and a half or so is fucking beautiful. The way the song builds is really nice. Lillywhite outdid himself. Tbh, I think its more Lillywhite that makes the song.



Live however, WWYS and DDTW blow everything else out of the water.

Forsure. I agree with you that it’s mixed nicely, has a great ending, and that Lillywhite is the reason why it’s good. But, the lyrics are so generic and feel forced at times.

Hard disagree on Too Much. To me, it’s a classic song and encompasses everything that makes DMB, DMB.

[Speilmen230]

Originally Posted by prdstmnky36

Oh come on, lol

[Speilmen230]

Originally Posted by Sniper15

I agree 100%. The songs on ED don't sound like traditional DMB but they're superior to the majority of the material on SU, CT and AFTW. If ED came out after CT, I think it would have been lauded as a great DMB 3.0 record. A lot of the complaints that were hurled at ED in 2001 (e.g. There's no violin! Dave is playing an electric guitar! Lillywhite didn't produce! It's too pop!) aren't relevant in the year 2021--everyone accepts there isn't going to be violin, etc. After the nadir that was SU and the ballad fest that was CT, people would be stoked for rockers like So Right Right, What You Are, Dreams of Our Fathers, etc. Fool To Think's musical complexity would be praised and people would say it was rad to hear Dave playing complicated riffs after CT's simple guitar parts. Mother Father would be lionized and fans would be glad to see Dave writing dark lyrics again after the sanguine lyrics that dominated CT. I think I Did It and The Space Between would also avoid the wrath they received in 2001. Sure, those songs aren't as good as the material that preceded them but they're better than anything on SU and shit like TGIY and Can't Stop.

This guy gets it.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by Sniper15

I agree 100%. The songs on ED don't sound like traditional DMB but they're superior to the majority of the material on SU, CT and AFTW. If ED came out after CT, I think it would have been lauded as a great DMB 3.0 record. A lot of the complaints that were hurled at ED in 2001 (e.g. There's no violin! Dave is playing an electric guitar! Lillywhite didn't produce! It's too pop!) aren't relevant in the year 2021--everyone accepts there isn't going to be violin, etc. After the nadir that was SU and the ballad fest that was CT, people would be stoked for rockers like So Right Right, What You Are, Dreams of Our Fathers, etc. Fool To Think's musical complexity would be praised and people would say it was rad to hear Dave playing complicated riffs after CT's simple guitar parts. Mother Father would be lionized and fans would be glad to see Dave writing dark lyrics again after the sanguine lyrics that dominated CT. I think I Did It and The Space Between would also avoid the wrath they received in 2001. Sure, those songs aren't as good as the material that preceded them but they're better than anything on SU and shit like TGIY and Can't Stop.

Definitely agree

[tyler3440]

Originally Posted by TypicalBilly14

I would like to hear the Lovely Ladies perform during a Dave & Tim acoustic set.

What the fuck

[haiku.warrior]

everything else of AFTW >>>>>>> Mercy

[patdeegan]

Mercy is a strong studio track: well-produced, beautiful ending, as has been said before. But I think it's actually the worst single the band has released - not catchy at all and got ZERO radio play after just a week or two. I'm not saying that radio is always the barometer by which to measure a song's quality, but WWYS, Too Much, even DDTW had some success as singles.... hell, I Did It did very well and is, flaws notwithstanding, a very catchy tune (and I enjoy it fwiw)...

American Baby... underrated tune, did fairly well on the radio and was a solid way to get people curious/pique about the new record (even if SU sucked). FTWII was a very solid single in terms of returning to the true "full band" sound/somewhat old school sound. I'v always thought DMB dropped the ball in NOT choosing BBN as the lead single instead of Mercy. It's well-produced, MUCH catchier with a strong hook of a chorus, upbeat, and also still has classic DMB components (Boyd solo, strong horns).

BBN would have performed much better as a single than Mercy, but Dave obviously wanted Mercy as it more.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

I've always loved Mercy at a D&T show or Dave solo, and the studio version is good. But I never really got into it full band until this latest Warehouse disc. Why would they bust that amazing shit out one time? Should've been a staple all summer in my opinion.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by tyler3440

What the fuck

I won’t be the first time having female voices in a Dave & Tim show.
The performance at Riviera Maya 2020 (02.15.2020) with Sara Watkins, Sarah Jarosz and Aoife O'Donovan (I am with her) may be an example, both The Maker and Ants Marching played that night were sweet and beautiful, and also Dave admitted that “it couldn’t get any better than that”.

But it he Lovely Ladies have a completely different singing style (more funky) so... I don’t know.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by Cptn. Monkeyman

I've always loved Mercy at a D&T show or Dave solo, and the studio version is good. But I never really got into it full band until this latest Warehouse disc. Why would they bust that amazing shit out one time? Should've been a staple all summer in my opinion.

Always agree with monkeyman

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by haiku.warrior

everything else of AFTW >>>>>>> Mercy

I completely agree with the complete opposite of this for the most part

[Dodo36]

Mercy as a whole is boring AF. I'll take If Only over it any day of the week. Hell, I'd take Angel over it. The musicianship on it is the tits, but the lyrics are just so damn boring. It's one of those that I wouldn't mind only hearing as D&T for the rest of their days. Maybe D&T & Buddy in an E1 spot on rare occasion.

[Sniper15]

Originally Posted by Xcacel

I won’t be the first time having female voices in a Dave & Tim show.
The performance at Riviera Maya 2020 (02.15.2020) with Sara Watkins, Sarah Jarosz and Aoife O'Donovan (I am with her) may be an example, both The Maker and Ants Marching played that night were sweet and beautiful, and also Dave admitted that “it couldn’t get any better than that”.

But it he Lovely Ladies have a completely different singing style (more funky) so... I don’t know.

I think it would be awesome too. Acoustic versions of stuff like Long Black Veil and Stay with the ladies would be incredibly unique and badass. I guarantee if the lovely ladies came out at a D&T show the crowd would fucking love that shit and people would be clamoring for a tape to be posted so they could listen to those performances.

[HonestDenver1]

Originally Posted by Dodo36

Mercy as a whole is boring AF. I'll take If Only over it any day of the week. Hell, I'd take Angel over it. The musicianship on it is the tits, but the lyrics are just so damn boring. It's one of those that I wouldn't mind only hearing as D&T for the rest of their days. Maybe D&T & Buddy in an E1 spot on rare occasion.

I think the solo versions Dave has been doing as of late are a better fit for the song. It's a quick 2-3 minute pop song about a serious topic... It's a good enough song, but it's never been a DMB song in my opinion. It's one of those that should have been a single on it's own.

It doesn't need to turn into a 15 minute jazz interlude...

[RiotAct]

I remember staying up to watch the debut of Mercy back in 2012 on whatever dumbfuck late-night talk show it was. Did not exactly put a good taste in my mouth for the rest of the album.

[Speilmen230]

I think it was Fallon. I still have that version on my old iTunes library.

[two-by-twostep]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

I remember staying up to watch the debut of Mercy back in 2012 on whatever dumbfuck late-night talk show it was. Did not exactly put a good taste in my mouth for the rest of the album.

Originally Posted by Speilmen230

I think it was Fallon. I still have that version on my old iTunes library.

yes it was. he played it with Captain Kirk too which was cool. if my memory serves, Obama was on that episode as well.

edit: yes Obama was the guest that night – http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453057017 also forgot Dave played "walk of shame" with jimmy lol

[coldengrey12]

I think Fallon's best skit with Dave to date is "Dave Matthews Sings Trap Music"

[eggsrsweet]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I think Fallon's best skit with Dave to date is "Dave Matthews Sings Trap Music"

Absolutely! Probably because its the most interesting music Dave has played in years

Full band Gucci Gang would bring the house down.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by two-by-twostep

yes it was. he played it with Captain Kirk too which was cool. if my memory serves, Obama was on that episode as well.

edit: yes Obama was the guest that night – http://dmbalmanac.com/TourShowSet.aspx?id=453057017 also forgot Dave played "walk of shame" with jimmy lol

It was that

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ujrzv7u-xIA

[karczews41]

Originally Posted by coldengrey12

I think Fallon's best skit with Dave to date is "Dave Matthews Sings Trap Music"

That was pretty fucking epic.

[space_raven]

"Baby" (11th track off of Some Devil) is criminally underrated

[RSSR]

LT46 and '18 Hollywood Bowl are great releases. I enjoy '18 Hollywood Bowl more than I do listening to LT53.

[KevinTH]

Did Hollywood Bowl ever go up for sale digitally? I’d really like to hear that and can’t believe I haven’t.

[RSSR]

Originally Posted by KevinTH

Did Hollywood Bowl ever go up for sale digitally? I’d really like to hear that and can’t believe I haven’t.

Nope, not yet.

[maythekarma1]

Originally Posted by RSSR

LT46 and '18 Hollywood Bowl are great releases. I enjoy '18 Hollywood Bowl more than I do listening to LT53.

The Shake Me on this release is awesome. So is the Squirm. Really cool horn parts on both.

[RiotAct]

Originally Posted by space_raven

"Baby" (11th track off of Some Devil) is criminally underrated

Some Devil is so awesome. I basically ignored that album when I was getting into DMB, but have listened to it a ton over the last few years.

Isn't Dave still on the hook for a 2nd solo album?

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by space_raven

"Baby" (11th track off of Some Devil) is criminally underrated

While markedly and clearly different from DMB, Some Devil is as good as any DMB album for us. Just found one of our tickets to the first show from that tour...amazing show.

[Route_2]

Would have been dope if Dave had done a solo record like every four years or so.

[Dodo36]

Originally Posted by RiotAct

Some Devil is so awesome. I basically ignored that album when I was getting into DMB, but have listened to it a ton over the last few years.

Isn't Dave still on the hook for a 2nd solo album?

Probably not at this point. I'd imagine a D&T release (or two) covered that obligation. Contracts with a specified number of albums aren't generally open-ended to just whenever an artist feels like submitting a collection, nor do they span decades.

I would actually be very interested in knowing the contract history of the band. I vaguely recall one of Butch's sticking points when he left was that because of whatever contract he wasn't going to be considered a full member of the band.

Far less likely, but Dave could have actually submitted a solo album and for unknown reasons it was never put on the schedule. Stranger things have happened. Bowie, Roger Waters, Prince, George Clinton, Neil Young, Sinatra, Tom Petty, and so on all have turned in albums that were either sat on for longer than was acceptable or just outright never had anything done with. Hell, George Clinton's By Way Of The Drum album was recorded in the late '80s and was flat out forgotten about until going through some archive decades later (and calling it an archive is overly generous).