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Old 05-01-2021, 05:26 PM   #271
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Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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I said this yesterday, but listen to the tape and compare, the tape sounds 10x better. It seems they did a shoddy job mixing Boyd.
Is it all the songs or just a couple?
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Is it all the songs or just a couple?
    All of them. It’s especially noticeable on the solos.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    All of them. It’s especially noticeable on the solos.
    Thank you. So the others claiming it’s an excellent mix are either deaf or just full of stubborn pride that they purchased this and won’t back down that it’s a flat out poor choice of show to release and had a glaring mistake in it..

    I’m out on this one.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Thank you. So the others claiming it’s an excellent mix are either deaf or just full of stubborn pride that they purchased this and won’t back down that it’s a flat out poor choice of show to release and had a glaring mistake in it..

    I’m out on this one.
    The mix as a whole could still sound great even if one of the instruments (Boyd in this case) is off. Seems like it’s only off by milliseconds, so enough to potentially ruin the release for some, but maybe not enough for everyone to notice at first.

    Anyways, mine arrives tomorrow. I’m gonna try and listen with pure objectivity and report back. It’s a shame that one of the greatest active bands has such shotty management
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Thank you. So the others claiming it’s an excellent mix are either deaf or just full of stubborn pride that they purchased this and won’t back down that it’s a flat out poor choice of show to release and had a glaring mistake in it..

    I’m out on this one.
    I didn't even notice it myself.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    I didn't even notice it myself.
    I remember thinking at one point (I think it was during Jimi) that Boyd sounded off time, but I chalked it up to Boyd doing Boyd things. On a second listen to the album, I guess I notice him being off by milliseconds in the mix, but it’s not noticeable enough for me to pass on this. I still enjoy it, the entire mix is clean, Dave is strong, and it sounds like the band had a fun time at this show.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    Yeah, I've noticed a couple minor issues with Boyd, I just assumed it was him. The mix overall is good and I really enjoy reliving this night.
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    Old 05-02-2021, 06:32 PM   #278
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Thank you. So the others claiming it’s an excellent mix are either deaf or just full of stubborn pride that they purchased this and won’t back down that it’s a flat out poor choice of show to release and had a glaring mistake in it..

    I’m out on this one.
    The mix is great sound wise, there’s just this constant delay on Boyd’s violin lol
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    I must be part of the deaf group.
    I don’t notice the delay on Boyd. In Tripping Billies his solo starts on time. On Two Step Intro he seems in tune with the rest of the band (and violin and guitar play the same notes).

    Where should I notice that delay?
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    Old 05-02-2021, 11:09 PM   #280
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    Here's the taper version of Funny. Compare his solo to the release-

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HR...ew?usp=sharing
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Here's the taper version of Funny. Compare his solo to the release-

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/16HR...ew?usp=sharing

    Thanks, Dannyyankou.
    I superimposed the LT55 Funny (right channel) and the taper version (left channel).

    https://mega.nz/file/WQAGhBIZ#8zPr3T...6kZ7TaquQUi4Rc

    You can notice the slight anticipation on the violin, starting from 2:41, in the LT55 compared to the tape, but it is very minor, at least, for me.

    I mean, since BT violin (not like the bass) is almost always a ‘free instrument’ making his solos but not being forced to tempo, the fact that it is slight anticipated doesn’t waste the whole music (again, it’s my opinion).
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    Holy shit, this two step smokes
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    Holy shit, this two step smokes
    There were a number of songs that sounded good/great on the release.

    Again the setlist is going to turn heads, but it's not a bad sounding live release.

    I think anyone who thinks it's an awful sounding release doesn't really care about actually listening to the music and enjoying it.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    If anything listen to this, and then listen to LT 35...and you'll see how truly special of a show that was in 09.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    If the white border on the cover art is bothering anyone else, I removed it-

    https://i.ibb.co/7Kz2rkS/00-00-Dave-...-Way-It-Is.jpg

    Came here looking for this. Thanks!
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    If anything listen to this, and then listen to LT 35...and you'll see how truly special of a show that was in 09.
    I will, I’ve been wanting to go back to that show lately! Something tells me that LT 55 is a better mixed show though!
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    Thanks, Dannyyankou.
    I superimposed the LT55 Funny (right channel) and the taper version (left channel).

    https://mega.nz/file/WQAGhBIZ#8zPr3T...6kZ7TaquQUi4Rc

    You can notice the slight anticipation on the violin, starting from 2:41, in the LT55 compared to the tape, but it is very minor, at least, for me.

    I mean, since BT violin (not like the bass) is almost always a ‘free instrument’ making his solos but not being forced to tempo, the fact that it is slight anticipated doesn’t waste the whole music (again, it’s my opinion).
    I gave it a good 3 listens. It’s pretty noticeable.. like unlistenable.. I don’t care how good the rest of the mix is.. honestly the tape sounds better! Someone should try and make a matrix mix of the tape and this mix.

    Nonetheless. I won’t be purchasing. Eve time that did is just having buyers remorse trying to tell themselves it’s not that bad. Ugh
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    There were a number of songs that sounded good/great on the release.

    Again the setlist is going to turn heads, but it's not a bad sounding live release.

    I think anyone who thinks it's an awful sounding release doesn't really care about actually listening to the music and enjoying it.
    I can’t listen it it and enjoy it with a huge mistake across the whole show.. good for you though if you can tune it out. Just admit it’s a big mistake.
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    I can’t listen it it and enjoy it with a huge mistake across the whole show.. good for you though if you can tune it out. Just admit it’s a big mistake.
    Now we’re starting to sound like a WhereYouGoin burner account.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    I can’t listen it it and enjoy it with a huge mistake across the whole show.. good for you though if you can tune it out. Just admit it’s a big mistake.
    I'm not going to argue about what I hear and what you hear.

    If it's enough to make you not want to listen, that's fine, as for me, it's barely, barely noticeable.

    The audio dub over Squirm on the Hollywood Bowl release is infinitely worse than this whole release combined IMHO.
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    The audio dub on Squirm in the Hollywood Bowl release didn't turn me off to what I think is a pleasant experience, this "millisecond off difference" didn't ever become noticeable for me at all. I'm going to be on my third listen too. It's like people here look for the first couple complaints among more warm takes to say "AH HA! I KNEW this show is a dumpster fire WITHOUT me EVER listening to it!!"
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    The audio dub on Squirm in the Hollywood Bowl release didn't turn me off to what I think is a pleasant experience, this "millisecond off difference" didn't ever become noticeable for me at all. I'm going to be on my third listen too. It's like people here look for the first couple complaints among more warm takes to say "AH HA! I KNEW this show is a dumpster fire WITHOUT me EVER listening to it!!"

    Hahah second this.
    Exactly what I think
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

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    I gave it a good 3 listens. It’s pretty noticeable.. like unlistenable.. I don’t care how good the rest of the mix is.. honestly the tape sounds better! Someone should try and make a matrix mix of the tape and this mix.

    Nonetheless. I won’t be purchasing. Eve time that did is just having buyers remorse trying to tell themselves it’s not that bad. Ugh
    I just realized, they muted Boyd on the Two Step intro shortly after Dave starts playing, likely because they were out of sync as you can hear briefly when Dave starts playing. They didn't realize it was their own mixing mistake lol.

    Meanwhile on the tape, they are in sync and Boyd can be heard in the entire intro.
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    If it is so, the overall level of the mixing engineers here is REALLY low.
    I mean, Djamieb has a huge reputation compared to this stuff.
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    I'm not going to argue about what I hear and what you hear.

    If it's enough to make you not want to listen, that's fine, as for me, it's barely, barely noticeable.

    The audio dub over Squirm on the Hollywood Bowl release is infinitely worse than this whole release combined IMHO.
    I'm just never going to trust your ears when you say it's a good listen. I'll probably think the exact opposite as this is terrible and you don't even notice it.

    It's like someone saying someone saying it stinks in here, but you like the way it smells so you just smile.
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    I just realized, they muted Boyd on the Two Step intro shortly after Dave starts playing, likely because they were out of sync as you can hear briefly when Dave starts playing. They didn't realize it was their own mixing mistake lol.

    Meanwhile on the tape, they are in sync and Boyd can be heard in the entire intro.
    Thank you for pointing this out. I realize not everyone on here is an audiophile but I cannot believe people aren't bothered by this.
    These seem like amateur mixing mistakes and truly ruin the experience of listening to a show. This mute should have made them realize the errors in their ways and started the process over...

    I'll go find the tape.
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    The audio dub on Squirm in the Hollywood Bowl release didn't turn me off to what I think is a pleasant experience, this "millisecond off difference" didn't ever become noticeable for me at all. I'm going to be on my third listen too. It's like people here look for the first couple complaints among more warm takes to say "AH HA! I KNEW this show is a dumpster fire WITHOUT me EVER listening to it!!"
    The audio dub on Hollywood is one song for a couple lines... This is an entire show!
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    I'm just never going to trust your ears when you say it's a good listen. I'll probably think the exact opposite as this is terrible and you don't even notice it.

    It's like someone saying someone saying it stinks in here, but you like the way it smells so you just smile.
    Lol, if you are ready to throw this release in the garbage because Boyd is apparently off .18 seconds on the mix, then maybe you should rethink how you listen to music.

    Besides, it's not like his instrument is the focal point of many of these songs.
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    Re: Live Trax 55: Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre 4.29.09

    LiC is beloved by all of us, but no one really cares that some of Boyd's solos were rerecorded in a studio to release that show.
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    A millisecond is a 0.001 second. If that really bugs you, then I don't know what to say. I think people mean deciseconds.
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