Random dmb thoughts that don't need their own thread

[Antiramie]

I wouldn't call TSTJL "boring and lame", but it's one of my least favorite pre-SU songs.

I just can't form a connection with that song.

If I HAD to pick some songs that came close to boring and lame...probably Lover Lay Down and Christmas Song.

[ToySoldier#34]

Pretty sure he isn't sitting around with so much anger , he loves playing and he is grateful for it while realizing there is a percentage of the fan base that is over the top obnoxious

[jglizaze]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Do I need to find a different interview from the 2000s not involving LeRoi to make a point? Don't be naive... Dave had a completely different mentality on his fans in the 2000's era. Now he appears to focus on the 1% of loud angry folk and thus despises the whole community.

He makes it pretty clear that he's speaking about the minority of fans that get upset about him doing what he wants to do that can kiss his ass imo. I didn't take that as him focusing on them.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

Yep, just remember that while you call Dave an asshole for cutting The Last Stop jam, he's giving a fan with brain cancer one of the best moments of his life.

If there isn't video proof to rule it out can we really assume he didn't tell him to kiss his ass?

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Pretty sure he isn't sitting around with so much anger , he loves playing and he is grateful for it while realizing there is a percentage of the fan base that is over the top obnoxious

I would say the percentage is so minuscule that it shouldn't even be a blip on Dave's radar.

Not to mention there are crazed fans for every artist/band. If Dave doesn't realize that by now or still gets weirded out by some of the stalkers that perch themselves on the rail every show...

I don't understand how any of this affects him this much after 25+ years of being in the business, especially for not being on social media, for him to get publicly upset about it. Are people at the show talking shit about him when he's on stage? Doubt it. Are people reporting to him what fans are saying online? If so, why? Isn't that the point of not being a presence online?...to avoid that shit...

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

If there isn't video proof to rule it out can we really assume he didn't tell him to kiss his ass?

He definitely did

[Bmwm3oz]

Let’s ask the real question - who here would actually kiss his ass? I know you people are out there.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Let’s ask the real question - who here would actually kiss his ass? I know you people are out there.

I think most of them are at another site...

[jglizaze]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

On the second paragraph, I definitely question supporting an artist who constantly talks negatively about his fans, so much so that he can’t stand fans who want to hear more of his music. And instead of playing more of his music, he plays 3-4 covers a show.

It’s weird to me that someone would feel so much anger against his very own fan base who simply love to hear his music. Obviously people like Lisa who are railed at every show and have a creepy full size Dave tattoo on her body give the impression we are all insane, but Dave is old enough to realize she and other psycho railheads represent 1% of the fan base.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden sat or sit around complaining about their hardcore fan base. On the other hand, playing devils advocate with myself, I bet they all do it behind doors, it’s just that Dave isn’t afraid to say it .

I agree with your last paragraph but I feel like you're gaslighting a bit in the first paragraph. Do you think he plays covers to spite his fans that want to hear more of his music? I think he just plays covers because he likes them? Also I don't hear complaints from fans in here that want to hear more of his music as often as I hear complaints from fans that want to hear lillywhite era deep cuts.
I don't agree with the premise that the fans he dislikes only want to hear more of his music. I think those fans want him to play what they want and not what he wants. those fans for the most part should kiss his ass imo

[ToySoldier#34]

I mean there's no question if I was in his position there is a small percentage of the fan base that I would have the same mindset about, saying he is playing covers to spite the hardcore fans is just funny, he absolutely loves playing and puts a lot into every show to be at his best.

[jglizaze]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

I would say the percentage is so minuscule that it shouldn't even be a blip on Dave's radar.

Not to mention there are crazed fans for every artist/band. If Dave doesn't realize that by now or still gets weirded out by some of the stalkers that perch themselves on the rail every show...

I don't understand how any of this affects him this much after 25+ years of being in the business, especially for not being on social media, for him to get publicly upset about it. Are people at the show talking shit about him when he's on stage? Doubt it. Are people reporting to him what fans are saying online? If so, why? Isn't that the point of not being a presence online?...to avoid that shit...

I don't perceive Dave being bothered much or affected. He's made a couple of comments among thousands of other recorded comments that don't mention crazy fans.

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by jglizaze

I agree with your last paragraph but I feel like you're gaslighting a bit in the first paragraph. Do you think he plays covers to spite his fans that want to hear more of his music? I think he just plays covers because he likes them? Also I don't hear complaints from fans in here that want to hear more of his music as often as I hear complaints from fans that want to hear lillywhite era deep cuts.
I don't agree with the premise that the fans he dislikes only want to hear more of his music. I think those fans want him to play what they want and not what he wants. those fans for the most part should kiss his ass imo

I’m not sure. He has a proven track record of doing things (whether positively or negatively) because of his fans. Like the summer tour where he teased Pig at every show and talked over IEM how he won’t play it until the fans stop holding up signs.

I think it’s a bit naive to right him off and say he doesn’t passively aggressively write sets or do this or that because of fan behavior given he’s done it before.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by jglizaze

I don't perceive Dave being bothered much or affected. He's made a couple of comments among thousands of other recorded comments that don't mention crazy fans.

I'm just wondering for an artist that seems to be so proactive about not engaging these type of people, what happened to ruffle his feathers that much for him to tell people to kiss his ass. Or if he's just been harboring a grudge for that long...

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I mean there's no question if I was in his position there is a small percentage of the fan base that I would have the same mindset about, saying he is playing covers to spite the hardcore fans is just funny, he absolutely loves playing and puts a lot into every show to be at his best.

You remind me of a classic die hard Apple fan or _____ fill in the blank hardcore fan.

Even though Dave teased Pig for an entire summer because he was annoyed with his fans wanting to hear Pig, it’s somehow super far fetched to think he’s playing more covers than ever at a time where fans are increasingly asking for rarities or setlist variety on social media? Climb out of that asshole of yours and wake up!

[Antiramie]

I don't think Dave plays covers, or any songs for that matter, to spite anyone. I think he genuinely likes playing whatever he plays.

I do think he actively avoids playing some songs that he knows hardcore fans want to hear under the egocentric/lazy guise of "I play what I like". I don't think he necessarily dislikes the songs per se. I think he dislikes being told what to do and/or going out of his comfort zone.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

You remind me of a classic die hard Apple fan or _____ fill in the blank hardcore fan.

Even though Dave teased Pig for an entire summer because he was annoyed with his fans wanting to hear Pig, it’s somehow super far fetched to think he’s playing more covers than ever at a time where fans are increasingly asking for rarities or setlist variety on social media? Climb out of that asshole of yours and wake up!

wtf does the last part even mean? Sorry you are so upset by DMB playing a new cover that hardcore fans were raving about after the show, the crowd lost their shit over, etc. as a nod to the 40th anniversary of disco demolition night. I suppose their other covers like Watchtower and The Maker upset you as well, I'm as sick of Sledgehammer as anyone else

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

I don't think Dave plays covers, or any songs for that matter, to spite anyone. I think he genuinely likes playing whatever he plays.

I do think he actively avoids playing some songs that he knows hardcore fans want to hear under the egocentric/lazy guise of "I play what I like".

Agree with the second paragraph.

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

wtf does the last part even mean? Sorry you are so upset by DMB playing a new cover that hardcore fans were raving about after the show, the crowd lost their shit over, etc. as a nod to the 40th anniversary of disco demolition night. I suppose their other covers like Watchtower and The Maker upset you as well, I'm as sick of Sledgehammer as anyone else

It means that in your world, Dave can do no wrong. Dave could lip sync the whole show, or use a hologram for the rest of the summer, and you’d defend him with something along the lines of ‘he needs a break. He’s only doing it to rest his voice’ or some other nonsense.

Hell, Dave could throw his feces at you and you’d be excited about it. I’m done on this one.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

It means that in your world, Dave can do no wrong. Dave could lip sync the whole show, or use a hologram for the rest of the summer, and you’d defend him with something along the lines of ‘he needs a break. He’s only doing it to rest his voice’ or some other nonsense.

Hell, Dave could throw his feces at you and you’d be excited about it. I’m done on this one.

This post shows how out of touch you are, sums it up nicely

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

This post shows how out of touch you are, sums it up nicely

Out of touch with what? With Dave? You seem like you’re newer to the scene and weren’t around when Dave portrayed himself as humble so you haven’t observed how much he’s changed.

One can argue wether or not a fan should care about how Dave says things or what not - I’m all for someone arguing I shouldn’t or should care. But you definitely are the type to defend his every move. That’s all I’m saying. That’s never a good thing.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

wtf does the last part even mean? Sorry you are so upset by DMB playing a new cover that hardcore fans were raving about after the show, the crowd lost their shit over, etc. as a nod to the 40th anniversary of disco demolition night. I suppose their other covers like Watchtower and The Maker upset you as well, I'm as sick of Sledgehammer as anyone else

As a one off, it was cool. As something that appears to be sticking in rotation, there have been plenty of complaints about that.

When Sugar Will and a barely recognizable Last Stop are your biggest contributions to hardcore fans, they have a right to be upset. The top 30 songs played are a who's who of covers, singles, CT, and newer upbeat songs. Pretty much nothing hardcore fans are asking for. The songs people are asking for haven't been played or are out of rotation already after 1-4 plays earlier this tour.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Bmwm3oz

Out of touch with what? With Dave? You seem like you’re newer to the scene and weren’t around when Dave portrayed himself as humble so you haven’t scene how much he’s changed.

One can argue wether or not a fan should care about how Dave says things or what not - I’m all for someone arguing I shouldn’t or should care. But you definitely are the type to defend his every move. That’s all I’m saying. That’s never a good thing.

Dave and / or DMB points I've made recently

* RR can leave
* Cutting Last Stop short sucks
* Cutting Two Step short sucks
* Current Everyday sucks
* AFTW is pointless drivel
* DMB should be playing right up until curfew always
* His falsetto on DDTW with the full band is horrible
* The entire European tour was terrible, setlists were a joke
* The one show I went to this tour was average at best
* I wish he would do a US solo tour and think it's crazy he never has

list goes on, but you choose to ignore all of that apparently

[ToySoldier#34]

Also as for newer to the scene - if being a fan since 1998 is newer then sure

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Dave and / or DMB points I've made recently

* RR can leave
* Cutting Last Stop short sucks
* Cutting Two Step short sucks
* Current Everyday sucks
* AFTW is pointless drivel
* DMB should be playing right up until curfew always
* His falsetto on DDTW with the full band is horrible
* The entire European tour was terrible, setlists were a joke
* The one show I went to this tour was average at best
* I wish he would do a US solo tour and think it's crazy he never has

list goes on, but you choose to ignore all of that apparently

What show did you hit this year?

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

What show did you hit this year?

Mansfield, one step forward one step back the whole time

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Mansfield, one step forward one step back the whole time

Oof, I skipped Hartford because of Mansfield lol.

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by Antiramie

Oof, I skipped Hartford because of Mansfield lol.

I wish I went to Hartford instead, not to mention having beer dumped on me and not getting out of the parking lot until after 1am

[grilldanmo]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Mansfield, one step forward one step back the whole time

I got you. We enjoyed Mansfield overall, but last year was so much better and it tricked us into going again this year. Hartford was a significantly better show overall, but last year's Mans/ford shows were much better for us...except for the SU duo main set closer and Space E1... Two songs from ED and/or SU should NEVER be played back to back, let alone three! And to have them end the main set...youch! That said, Hartford 2018: Granny, SoL TD, Captain TD, and the ONLY summer tour play of BBB...it was a great show.

[Antiramie]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

I wish I went to Hartford instead, not to mention having beer dumped on me and not getting out of the parking lot until after 1am

I would have really enjoyed Hartford, but I don't regret not going. You Never Know and Halloween would have definitely been cool to see again though.

[Bmwm3oz]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Dave and / or DMB points I've made recently

* RR can leave
* Cutting Last Stop short sucks
* Cutting Two Step short sucks
* Current Everyday sucks
* AFTW is pointless drivel
* DMB should be playing right up until curfew always
* His falsetto on DDTW with the full band is horrible
* The entire European tour was terrible, setlists were a joke
* The one show I went to this tour was average at best
* I wish he would do a US solo tour and think it's crazy he never has

list goes on, but you choose to ignore all of that apparently

I don’t keep a diary of your complaints/criticism nor do I follow every post on here. So my bad for assuming you were a sheep.

Still stand by whatever I said in terms of Dave and how he views his fans. But, we don’t have to revisit that again.

Just be honest, you want When I’m Weary in the E1 slot with Mark Batson. Once you get that, you’re out.

[triplechin89]

Originally Posted by ToySoldier#34

Dave and / or DMB points I've made recently

* RR can leave
* Cutting Last Stop short sucks
* Cutting Two Step short sucks
* Current Everyday sucks
* AFTW is pointless drivel
* DMB should be playing right up until curfew always
* His falsetto on DDTW with the full band is horrible
* The entire European tour was terrible, setlists were a joke
* The one show I went to this tour was average at best
* I wish he would do a US solo tour and think it's crazy he never has

list goes on, but you choose to ignore all of that apparently

This is the best Everyday has sounded in years. The piano/vocal solos are a great way to showcase Buddy, which they clearly want to do. There are some drawbacks to the current makeup of the band, but Everyday is not one of them.