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Old 07-21-2019, 12:25 PM   #159961
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Trump knows what he’s doing. He’s trying to brand the extremists as the majority in the left and it’s going to drive the silent majority his way
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    As Dave said Let’s bring the world together. Don’t hate. Enforce rules but love thy neighbor
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    Old 07-21-2019, 01:23 PM   #159964
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    That cover was in response to Charlottesville. It's not wrong, though.
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    Old 07-21-2019, 01:29 PM   #159965
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    It's amazing that Bernie's own campaign is now the poster child for the idiocy of a "living wage" and #fightfor15

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    It's amazing that Bernie's own campaign is now the poster child for the idiocy of a "living wage" and #fightfor15

    We went through this the other day - they're salaried employees and make on average $17. They're arguing that they're putting in more than 40 hours which drives their wages down.

    It's a sensationalist headline that's stretching the truth a fair bit.

    And I'm a complete anti-Bernie guy
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    Old 07-21-2019, 01:43 PM   #159967
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    Silent majority

    The one that lost the popular vote? That majority? I love how sensitive and fragile the egos are on the right that they had to invent conspiracy theories about vote tampering to explain this away. And yeah at the end of the day it's not the number that counts, but it sends a clear message and that clearly bothers egomaniacs.
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    We went through this the other day - they're salaried employees and make on average $17. They're arguing that they're putting in more than 40 hours which drives their wages down.

    It's a sensationalist headline that's stretching the truth a fair bit.

    And I'm a complete anti-Bernie guy

    Do you have a source for that? I havent seen that said anywhere and would live to have all the facts.
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    Old 07-21-2019, 02:24 PM   #159969
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    lol

    https://twitter.com/emilyelarsen/sta...091996160?s=21
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    Old 07-21-2019, 02:32 PM   #159970
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    Do you have a source for that? I havent seen that said anywhere and would live to have all the facts.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox...wage-staff-pay

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    $36k ÷ 52 work weeks ÷ 40 hour work week = $17.31/hr

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    Generally collective bargaining doesn't go public this much but Bernie says a lot of dumb shit and he has lost control of the narrative here. Can't wait til he drops out.
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    Trump offering to pay A$AP Rocky's bail is one of the more bizarre things I've read.
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    Old 07-21-2019, 02:50 PM   #159972
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    Trump offering to pay A$AP Rocky's bail is one of the more bizarre things I've read.
    Justin Bieber: I appreciate Trump helping A$AP Rocky, but 'can you also let those kids out of cages?'

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...rnd/index.html

    That's about as savage as a Canadian can get
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    Justin Bieber: I appreciate Trump helping A$AP Rocky, but 'can you also let those kids out of cages?'



    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...rnd/index.html



    That's about as savage as a Canadian can get


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    Old 07-21-2019, 03:26 PM   #159974
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    No one cares how many hours you work when you're salary.
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    He goes on and on about "slave wages" about other companies when he has no idea about that organization and then gets upset when it's done to him by people that actually know what they're talking about within his own campaign. Can't be a bigger hypocrite than that.

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    Old 07-21-2019, 03:54 PM   #159976
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    Bernie should fix the salaried people's pay so it's better but this seems like kind of a made-up controversy, seems like a normal labor negotiation
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    it really does seem like a made up controversy
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    Well, when you're saying that others are paying hourly slave wages and then your wages don't stack up on an hourly level, it's kind of a story.

    Not to mention, no matter what, there's no future or career path for 98% of these people, so to put in 60 hours/week which comes out to $11.50/hour seems pretty dumb when ALDI is hiring at $14.00/hour. You literally get paid more and have a better potential career path with ALDI.

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    Old 07-21-2019, 06:37 PM   #159979
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    Bernie should fix the salaried people's pay so it's better but this seems like kind of a made-up controversy, seems like a normal labor negotiation
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    it really does seem like a made up controversy
    Lol. Made up by who? How own staff?

    Cults gonna cult.

    Seems odd that someone who professes be a champion of labor would even be undergoing this type of labor negotiations with his own campaign staff of all people. Of course he’s not, so far his people are just saying wtf.

    Guess he’s better at telling others what to do. Classic case of not walking the walk.
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    Old 07-21-2019, 06:52 PM   #159980
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    I don't think anyone's making anything up. I just dont think it's a controversy. At best it's a salaried position with a lot of hours. At worst it's hypocritical.

    But, I posed a few days ago- during the '16 debates, Hilary called Trump out for his tax evasion strategies. Trump's counter was "I wouldn't do it if YOU didn't make it legal for me to do it, YOU should have written better laws".

    While we all know he was full of shit, and we all know he doesn't understand how bills become laws, he wasn't wrong. From what we knew then, the things he was doing were legal.


    This is a no-win. The chamber +Fox news et al blasted AOC for paying her staffers more to prove a point. Now Bernie isn't paying his staffers enough and he's getting blasted. Which is it?
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    I don't think anyone's making anything up. I just dont think it's a controversy. At best it's a salaried position with a lot of hours. At worst it's hypocritical.

    But, I posed a few days ago- during the '16 debates, Hilary called Trump out for his tax evasion strategies. Trump's counter was "I wouldn't do it if YOU didn't make it legal for me to do it, YOU should have written better laws".

    While we all know he was full of shit, and we all know he doesn't understand how bills become laws, he wasn't wrong. From what we knew then, the things he was doing were legal.


    This is a no-win. The chamber +Fox news et al blasted AOC for paying her staffers more to prove a point. Now Bernie isn't paying his staffers enough and he's getting blasted. Which is it?
    Bernie busted for underpaying his workers.

    But Trump, but Fox, but Trump!!
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    Bernie busted for underpaying his workers.

    But Trump, but Fox, but Trump!!
    $17.31/hr is the breakdown of the salaried positions in Bernie's campaign. Like all salaried positions, that is a fixed amount and while derived on a 40 hour work week, is not dependent on actual hours works.

    The campaign and staffers are currently in negotiations to add compensation for those working more than a standard 40 hour work week.


    That's all there is to know, and all that matters. Everything else, on either side, is just spin.
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    Old 07-21-2019, 07:07 PM   #159983
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    $17.31/hr is the breakdown of the salaried positions in Bernie's campaign. Like all salaried positions, that is a fixed amount and while derived on a 40 hour work week, is not dependent on actual hours works.

    The campaign and staffers are currently in negotiations to add compensation for those working more than a standard 40 hour work week.


    That's all there is to know, and all that matters. Everything else, on either side, is just spin.
    So his own staffers are wrong?
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    I also wonder what the salaried positions of other campaigns look like. Is this pretty much the norm, or is it specific to Bernie's?
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    I also wonder what the salaried positions of other campaigns look like. Is this pretty much the norm, or is it specific to Bernie's?
    What difference does it make?
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    Difference to my reaction to the Bernie situation? None. Just curious... just freeing my mind.
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    If you sign on for a salary, you have to know you might end up working more than 40 hours a week and not get compensated for it.
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    I don't think anyone's making anything up. I just dont think it's a controversy. At best it's a salaried position with a lot of hours. At worst it's hypocritical.

    But, I posed a few days ago- during the '16 debates, Hilary called Trump out for his tax evasion strategies. Trump's counter was "I wouldn't do it if YOU didn't make it legal for me to do it, YOU should have written better laws".

    While we all know he was full of shit, and we all know he doesn't understand how bills become laws, he wasn't wrong. From what we knew then, the things he was doing were legal.


    This is a no-win. The chamber +Fox news et al blasted AOC for paying her staffers more to prove a point. Now Bernie isn't paying his staffers enough and he's getting blasted. Which is it?
    Not to mention was the Washington Post that broke the story but that doesn’t help the narrative I guess.
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    I also wonder what the salaried positions of other campaigns look like. Is this pretty much the norm, or is it specific to Bernie's?
    I would assume it's more or less the norm. You're basically a grunt, working long hours for shitty pay


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    If you sign on for a salary, you have to know you might end up working more than 40 hours a week and not get compensated for it.


    $36,000 is more than $15/hr. The only argument here is whether or not they should be compensated for hours worked past 40. But if you're gonna do that, it opens the door for a lot of other professions to start complaining as well
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    Not to mention was the Washington Post that broke the story but that doesn’t help the narrative I guess.
    so what you're saying is WaPo doesn't just bash Trump? That they report on both sides? How novel
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