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Old 03-20-2017, 03:48 PM   #17581
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Can't we just move on and all be AMERICANS? Sick and tired of people identifying with a foreign country. These people need to assimilate to our values ASAP. I've had it up to here with this bullshit. It's not my fault they lost. To the victors go the spoils.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/politics...767e6c15a.html .
Sure...No more African Americans, Latin Americans, Italian Americans, etc...

Oh, and they can't fly flags or support their old countries or heritages.

Sounds fun!!
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    I see some people are on a high horse for pretty much no reason.
    We can't all have Paul Ryan-esque spines
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:51 PM   #17583
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    I'd say the lefts agenda is fairing better than the right's at this point. And the right has complete control.
    Other than what I quoted, I would ask what agenda that would be? I haven't seen any real idea of what their platform is going to look like.
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    Impeachment looming?
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:51 PM   #17585
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    We can't all have Paul Ryan-esque spines
    I just thought the whole tone of that post was hilarious.
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:55 PM   #17586
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    Other than what I quoted, I would ask what agenda that would be? I haven't seen any real idea of what their platform is going to look like.
    They've got 2 years to figure it out. It probably won't look too much different than it has in recent past. Plus a few additions of "Don't 'insert dumb thing trump did here'"

    The right on the other hand is shitting the bed with a large portion abandoning conservative values.
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:57 PM   #17587
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    They've got 2 years to figure it out. It probably won't look too much different than it has in recent past. Plus a few additions of "Don't 'insert dumb thing trump did here'"

    The right on the other hand is shitting the bed with a large portion abandoning conservative values.
    I agree, but I think that's only because we have someone who is not a republican or democrat in office (which people only seem to want to bring up when it is convenient). As much as I thought Trump would be forced to cater to their needs, he simply hasn't and they've begun to bend the knee. It's weird.
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:57 PM   #17588
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    They've got 2 years to figure it out. It probably won't look too much different than it has in recent past. Plus a few additions of "Don't 'insert dumb thing trump did here'"

    The right on the other hand is shitting the bed with a large portion abandoning conservative values.
    Two years, really? Care to wager?
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    Lefties been apocalyptic about every Republican for as long as I can remember. Bush 43 was a very practical conservative but you'd think he was the anti christ the way people talked about him.
    I'm not interested in the rose-colored glasses look back at him.

    He did great stuff for millions of people across Africa and his housing-first approach to homelessness has proven successful.

    I never thought he was as dumb or as sinister as people on the left wanted to believe. However, aside from those things, I feel like most of what he did turned out to be a mess.
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    Impeachment looming?
    He's too proud. He will resign before that happens.
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    Old 03-20-2017, 03:59 PM   #17591
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0de3a08fab52f
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    Old 03-20-2017, 04:00 PM   #17592
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    The Democrats need to get their shit together for 2018.

    It is not far off. #Resist is a great hashtag, but they aren't turning it into votes like the Tea Baggers did, which is all that really matters in this game.
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    The Democrats need to get their shit together for 2018.

    It is not far off. #Resist is a great hashtag, but they aren't turning it into votes like the Tea Baggers did, which is all that really matters in this game.
    #1 thing democrats should stop doing is blaming white people for everything and change that narrative.

    Edit: Along these lines, maybe stop blaming old, white men specifically and then offer two old white men to fight it out in the primary.

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    The Democrats need to get their shit together for 2018.

    It is not far off. #Resist is a great hashtag, but they aren't turning it into votes like the Tea Baggers did, which is all that really matters in this game.
    I can't speak for other states, but here locally Democrats have been on fire. Our local Democrat meetings across the state of Arkansas have seen record numbers of attendance. People are regularly (often daily) going to their representatives offices. People are constantly asking how to get more involved. Local activist groups have been out and speaking out with much more frequency than ever before. Our local and state legislators are certainly feeling the heat.
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    I agree, but I think that's only because we have someone who is not a republican or democrat in office (which people only seem to want to bring up when it is convenient). As much as I thought Trump would be forced to cater to their needs, he simply hasn't and they've begun to bend the knee. It's weird.
    Agree...it is really strange to watch
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    Old 03-20-2017, 04:11 PM   #17596
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    #1 thing democrats should stop doing is blaming white people for everything and change that narrative.
    My instinct is to say white people need to get a thicker skin, but that's more of what you're saying is the problem, so I feel like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

    I think it's hard to say what the No. 1 problem is, just like it's hard to lump all Trump supporters/sympathizers into a box and say, "They all feel _____."

    Well, no. Yes, some are tired of "PC culture," although they often seem unprepared to take any criticism or critique of their own ideas or perspective.

    Some supported him because of the economy. Some liked the wall. Some want to see him eviscerate Obamacare. Some are just fucking racists. The Venn diagram doesn't mean all of those circles overlap.

    So I think it's hard to point to one thing.
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    Agree...it is really strange to watch


    They need to walk a real fine line with Trump now that we know there is an ongoing investigation. If he is implicated the ones defending him could go down with the ship.
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    I reserve the right to be apocalyptic towards Bush 43. IMO, invading Iraq was far worse for our country than anything Trump has done as President YET.
    I agree.

    Bush 43 came close to completely destroying this country. Still don't know how we get revenge for 9/11 by focusing on a country that had nothing to do with it

    The lives and treasure just wasted. History will judge rather harshly on dubya
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    Old 03-20-2017, 04:13 PM   #17599
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    I can't speak for other states, but here locally Democrats have been on fire. Our local Democrat meetings across the state of Arkansas have seen record numbers of attendance. People are regularly (often daily) going to their representatives offices. People are constantly asking how to get more involved. Local activist groups have been out and speaking out with much more frequency than ever before. Our local and state legislators are certainly feeling the heat.
    I hope it turns into votes because that's all that is really gonna change things.
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    My instinct is to say white people need to get a thicker skin, but that's more of what you're saying is the problem, so I feel like I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.

    I think it's hard to say what the No. 1 problem is, just like it's hard to lump all Trump supporters/sympathizers into a box and say, "They all feel _____."

    Well, no. Yes, some are tired of "PC culture," although they often seem unprepared to take any criticism or critique of their own ideas or perspective.

    Some supported him because of the economy. Some liked the wall. Some want to see him eviscerate Obamacare. Some are just fucking racists. The Venn diagram doesn't mean all of those circles overlap.

    So I think it's hard to point to one thing.
    Well, sure. There are, and probably always will be, areas for either party to improve. That said, looking at the last presidential election, I honestly believe that was the largest mistake and seriously pushed people on the fence to vote for Trump.
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    Old 03-20-2017, 04:19 PM   #17601
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    I agree.

    Bush 43 came close to completely destroying this country. Still don't know how we get revenge for 9/11 by focusing on a country that had nothing to do with it

    The lives and treasure just wasted. History will judge rather harshly on dubya
    History is actually pretty light on all presidents.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.523e83707e48
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    I can't speak for other states, but here locally Democrats have been on fire. Our local Democrat meetings across the state of Arkansas have seen record numbers of attendance. People are regularly (often daily) going to their representatives offices. People are constantly asking how to get more involved. Local activist groups have been out and speaking out with much more frequency than ever before. Our local and state legislators are certainly feeling the heat.
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    I hope it turns into votes because that's all that is really gonna change things.
    It's always like this when someone new is elected president. I am not too worried.
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    History is actually pretty light on all presidents.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.523e83707e48


    Well now he is just a silly older guy.


    I place more of the blame of Cheney then Bush anyways
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    Lefties been apocalyptic about every Republican for as long as I can remember. Bush 43 was a very practical conservative but you'd think he was the anti christ the way people talked about him.
    "For as long as I can remember" (AKA less than 2 decades, and 1 previous presidency)

    Without getting into the cluster fuck that was W., his own party ate him alive by the end of it. They claimed he wasn't a real Republican, he was a "RINO". I think he simply wasn't well liked as a POTUS, not some apocalyptic fear from the left

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    In my opinion, a lot of the hysteria hasn't done a whole lot of good for the left agenda, just at face value.
    And the hysteria on the right has killed actual conservatism and given us this Frankenstein monster of bad policy and spitefullness - Trumpism. Fiscal conservatism is dead, sound conservative foreign policy is dead. At least progressivism and liberalism still exist (for better or worse, not commenting on which policies are better just that one sides ideology is in tact and the other has been bastardized beyong recognition)

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    Impeachment looming?
    No, GOP house won't move on it unless there's a smoking gun.

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    He's too proud. He will resign before that happens.
    No, he's too proud to have his presidency be remembered like that of Nixon. He'll either fight through and rebound or stay with the sinking ship until the bitter end.
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    Well now he is just a silly older guy.


    I place more of the blame of Cheney then Bush anyways
    I'm just saying that, in general, history is pretty kind to ex-presidents.
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    Well, sure. There are, and probably always will be, areas for either party to improve. That said, looking at the last presidential election, I honestly believe that was the largest mistake and seriously pushed people on the fence to vote for Trump.
    It may well have been. I know it was incentive for an awful lot of people. I also think many liberals don't get, see or know that.

    They see that attitude as an affront to their values and what they see as common decency. I lean toward being more PC, if that's what you'd like to call it, for that reason. Kindness is biggest in the word cloud of my values, so being more inclusive is a good thing to me. I digress.

    I try to understand people I don't agree with instead of antagonize them. I'm not perfect, as Currupted's signature demonstrates. (Although I do largely stand by the essence of that quote.)

    I've made an effort, especially since Nov. 8, to engage people who voted for this president why in an effort to understand how we got here.

    Liberals and progressives need to stop being OK with losing with their noses in the air about how smug and right they are. Great. You kept the moral high ground. You don't have any kind of power at the federal level. So what did you really win?
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    I agree, but I think that's only because we have someone who is not a republican or democrat in office (which people only seem to want to bring up when it is convenient). As much as I thought Trump would be forced to cater to their needs, he simply hasn't and they've begun to bend the knee. It's weird.
    I mean, he's defended the health care bill that everyone hates as a Republican. His EO's have largely been written by conservatives.

    The only area where he isn't walking the GOP platform is infrastructure proposals.
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    No, he's too proud to have his presidency be remembered like that of Nixon. He'll either fight through and rebound or stay with the sinking ship until the bitter end.
    He'll drive the bus off of the cliff before he'll hit the brakes.

    If Pussygate didn't slow him down, nothing will.

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    Can he settle out of court with the American people? Like we each get a buck?
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    Nothing more American than having your unqualified daughter as a top advisor.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-house-236273
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