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Originally Posted by #41Tom
I did concede about 5 minutes ago that I probably mean he's "disillusioned" with it, because of the people involved, and not necessarily "anti". Semantics bro.
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It's not semantics -- there's a major difference between being disenfranchised with the political system, and being anti-government or anti-establishment. He may be against imperialism or, to a lesser degree, capitalism, but at the most basic level his political leanings inherently support big government.
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Originally Posted by RobbtheRevelatr
On point one, I'm not so sure about that. Big government seems to be a hallmark of progressives, and not all liberals, even those that are far left consider themselves progressive. I think you can count Tim Reynolds in this group. There was some interview where someone asked him about his participation in a D&T Obama benefit, and he said he liked Obama and the excitement he generated, but stopped short of saying he'd support him in an election. It was more of a 'we'll see' kind of thing. Tim is pretty anti-system. He's real big on Dennis Kucinich.
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I certainly believe there to be a disparity between Dave's beliefs and the beliefs of those around him. Hell, there was talk back in 2004 that at least one band member is/was pretty conservative, but did the tour anyway because they weren't satisfied with Bush's presidency.
But, and again I'm trying to toe the line here carefully, most liberal ideals require heavy government involvement. I'm not saying all do, but generally you can't have the kind of political movements that most liberals support without considerable government involvement.
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Originally Posted by RobbtheRevelatr
On the second, I agree completely.. and I don't think it's so much that Dave's views are conflicting in that regard, as much as they've changed over the years. I think he's become more concerned in getting a democratic candidate elected because he's realized the reality of politics. That's just supposition on my part though.
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I agree for the most part, and don't think Dave has contradicted himself. Seems to me that he's always supported the idea of big government. You don't publicly support candidates like Kerry and Obama if you don't.