Where would you rank Lillywhite Sessions

[emtphish]

Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

Fuck theft. I'd call it "heroic deed"

heroic deed to be able to pull it off, but when was the last time that a great band had their studio sessions "stolen" from them and copied and sent around the world. This is amazing to me. Yeah, Stefan really "gave" us a treat.

[emtphish]

Originally Posted by kjam1988

I think the sessions leaking is what ruined the band.

I think its their lost of creativity. You never get that back, not in their current environment.

[jmdt52]

BTCS
Crash
UTTAD?
tLWS...

And then there'sthe rest of the studio work...

[marco j]

I place it on top.

I can't judge it as an album since it wasn't finished but to me it feels like the most genuine of all of them.

.....meaning, it rings truer to me..... I feel more when I listen to it.

[LowEnd_Theory]

BTCS
UTTAD
Crash/ LWS

[PleaseOrAppease]

If it had been finished the right way, I think it would have been their best album.

[marco j]

Originally Posted by RavenMaven

The true tragedy of the Lillywhites is that anyone well versed in DMB knew upon hearing tLWS that they threw away what was certainly going to be their best album. Its truly sad.

I didn't see this before.

Quoted for truth

It is the apex of the band.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by DirtyDeeds449

I love how you included something you have no information about.

Idea of You, Shotgun, Cornbread, and the new song on that studio video already make this new album better than SU and ED, or at least equal to So Right, Everyday, and What You Are. And You'd be foolish to think that at least IOY and Shotgun won't be on this album, considering this will be the 3rd year for them.

[RobRoy286]

BTCS
UTTAD
Crash/LWS
Everyday
Busted Stuff

[crashintonickdm]

had those sessions been released...

we would not be sitting here debating why they've taken such a plunge.

anyways.

Crash
LWS
UTTAD
BTCS




Busted Stuff
Everyday





























Stand Up

[Pig17]

Btcs
Lws
Crash
Uutad
Bs
Everyday
Su

[RolandsThinny]

Originally Posted by spoot388

Idea of You, Shotgun, Cornbread, and the new song on that studio video already make this new album better than SU and ED, or at least equal to So Right, Everyday, and What You Are. And You'd be foolish to think that at least IOY and Shotgun won't be on this album, considering this will be the 3rd year for them.

I would really love to agree with you but the one fear is that I have is all based on the 04 songs. GGT, JR, SW, HA, and CE, were awesome songs and ONE of those made it onto the album and was butchered in half. A second song was released as a b-side and was a sad sad sad shadow of its live-self. As it stands with the songs we have now, yes, this could be a great album; but I am choosing to wait for the final product before ranking the new album above any others...

[MistreatedLewis]

Originally Posted by RolandsThinny

I would really love to agree with you but the one fear is that I have is all based on the 04 songs. GGT, JR, SW, HA, and CE, were awesome songs and ONE of those made it onto the album and was butchered in half. A second song was released as a b-side and was a sad sad sad shadow of its live-self. As it stands with the songs we have now, yes, this could be a great album; but I am choosing to wait for the final product before ranking the new album above any others...

Yes, but you know the would have been solid gold if they were produced by Jesus Lillywhite.

[RolandsThinny]

Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

Yes, but you know the would have been solid gold if they were produced by Jesus Lillywhite.

I think they would have SOUNDED better for certain. Whether or not they would have lyrically changed at all I don't obviously know. I don't fully subscribe to the idea that Lillywhite is the one and only for the band. And my personal opinion is that Joy Ride could never be 'solid gold' regardless of who produced the track.

[MistreatedLewis]

Originally Posted by RolandsThinny

I think they would have SOUNDED better for certain. Whether or not they would have lyrically changed at all I don't obviously know. I don't fully subscribe to the idea that Lillywhite is the one and only for the band. And my personal opinion is that Joy Ride could never be 'solid gold' regardless of who produced the track.

I love Joyride's lyrics actually, though I know a lot of people don't.

It reminds me of WWYS Dave, who has mostly fallen off a cliff.

[RolandsThinny]

Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

I love Joyride's lyrics actually, though I know a lot of people don't.

It reminds me of WWYS Dave, who has mostly fallen off a cliff.

Lyrically it wasn't horrible no but I thought the music was entirely too derivative of many things they had done before.

And yes that Dave has fallen of a cliff but I do believe he is climbing up a different cliff and we may see a great Dave soon but maybe not a 'WWYS Dave.'

[rickyh24]

right before Busted Stuff

UTTAD/BTCS
Crash
LWS
Busted Stuff
Everyday

[RavenMaven]

Originally Posted by MistreatedLewis

I love Joyride's lyrics actually, though I know a lot of people don't.

It reminds me of WWYS Dave, who has mostly fallen off a cliff.

I was starting to think I was the only one who liked Joyride. I totally dig it, and have from the first time I heard it live.

[cworty06]

Before These Crowded Streets
Crash
Under the Table and Dreaming
Lillywhite Sessions
Busted Stuff
Everyday
Stand Up

[GLR87]

BTCS/LWS
Crash/Uttad

they seem to go together

[martindcx1e]

BTCS
Crash/LWS
UTTAD
BS
ED
SU

[DerekJTR2]

Originally Posted by ShotgunDMB

Busted Stuff is a dud. No excitement or creativity in that album at all. Everyday is too over the top and generic.
LWS are good, but overrated around here.

I agree that LWS is overrated but Busted Stuff is not a dud.

Not as much excitement I agree, but as far as creativity goes, you're way off

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by RolandsThinny

I would really love to agree with you but the one fear is that I have is all based on the 04 songs. GGT, JR, SW, HA, and CE, were awesome songs and ONE of those made it onto the album and was butchered in half. A second song was released as a b-side and was a sad sad sad shadow of its live-self. As it stands with the songs we have now, yes, this could be a great album; but I am choosing to wait for the final product before ranking the new album above any others...

I understand what you are saying, but with Everyday, it was rushed and was basically a pop album. Stand Up was R&B. Neither of those are DMB. But I really think Cavallo knows what he's doing and can get an album better than those two, with or without the songs we already have. Maybe I'm just expressing my optimism towards Cavallo and the new album.

[DerekJTR2]

Originally Posted by spoot388

I understand what you are saying, but with Everyday, it was rushed and was basically a pop album. Stand Up was R&B. Neither of those are DMB. But I really think Cavallo knows what he's doing and can get an album better than those two, with or without the songs we already have. Maybe I'm just expressing my optimism towards Cavallo and the new album.

Winner winner chicken dinner

[RolandsThinny]

Originally Posted by DerekJTR2

I agree that LWS is overrated but Busted Stuff is not a dud.

Not as much excitement I agree, but as far as creativity goes, you're way off

Hmmm. I think LWS could be better but I don't feel its better than BS. BS does have YNK but it also has WAYG. LWS has JTR and Monkey Man. My 2 main complaints about BS is 1) The album SOUNDS flat. There is no added gravitas to the bass or drums at the correct moments and to me, that can make or break Bartender. 2) Some of the lyrics just didn't need to be changed and/or removed. Raven and Grey Street suffer the most from this.

[warehouseguy]

BTCS

Crash/Lillywhites
New Album

Under The Table & Dreaming
Busted Stuff

Everyday



Stand Up

[dmbmuskie]

Originally Posted by spoot388

I understand what you are saying, but with Everyday, it was rushed and was basically a pop album. Stand Up was R&B. Neither of those are DMB. But I really think Cavallo knows what he's doing and can get an album better than those two, with or without the songs we already have. Maybe I'm just expressing my optimism towards Cavallo and the new album.

I've got a lot of faith in Cavallo, but I'm expecting much more than an album better than Everyday or Stand Up. I want greatness.

I look at it like this. At my job I've been in charge of 3 projects in the last 8 months, and I've nailed all the 3 of them. The new project I'm working on isn't going as great, and my bosses are not happy because I'm not meeting expectations. Once you prove you can do great things you are expected to always do great things. I want the band to produce something great, and I don't think they can do it with songs they have played over the last 2 years. I really hope he's pushing them in the studio musically and Dave lyrically.

[dmbmuskie]

Originally Posted by RolandsThinny

Hmmm. I think LWS could be better but I don't feel its better than BS. BS does have YNK but it also has WAYG. LWS has JTR and Monkey Man. My 2 main complaints about BS is 1) The album SOUNDS flat. There is no added gravitas to the bass or drums at the correct moments and to me, that can make or break Bartender. 2) Some of the lyrics just didn't need to be changed and/or removed. Raven and Grey Street suffer the most from this.

Busted Stuff sounds like something they felt obligated to do rather than something they wanted to do.

[RolandsThinny]

Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

Busted Stuff sounds like something they felt obligated to do rather than something they wanted to do.

I agree. I think they did it simply so they didn't have tLWS as their only representation of those songs.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by dmbmuskie

I've got a lot of faith in Cavallo, but I'm expecting much more than an album better than Everyday or Stand Up. I want greatness.

I look at it like this. At my job I've been in charge of 3 projects in the last 8 months, and I've nailed all the 3 of them. The new project I'm working on isn't going as great, and my bosses are not happy because I'm not meeting expectations. Once you prove you can do great things you are expected to always do great things. I want the band to produce something great, and I don't think they can do it with songs they have played over the last 2 years. I really hope he's pushing them in the studio musically and Dave lyrically.

I'm also expecting something more than just "better" than ED and SU. While I'm not expecting "The Big 4", just because the album is new and not made in the 90s, I think it will be a very solid album, like a 8 overall, with BTCS, Crash, and UTTAD all being 9.9-9. Maybe in 5 years it will become The Big 4, but when it first comes out, because it will be new and sound different, I think we won't see it as being the 4th.

And I think the songs they have now are a solid start. I just don't want half the album to be old stuff. IOY, Shotgun, Cornbread, #27, plus 8-ish new songs is what I'm expecting. We have to remember that songs like Cornbread and #27 aren't going to be the ones that are carrying this album. The new stuff (and shotgun) *should* be strong points, with the others as role players that while they don't come off as the showcase songs, they are still solid songs that nobody would be disappointed with.