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Old 03-05-2021, 03:25 PM   #31
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My recollection is that there is no actual video circulating that shows the trench coat guy. Is that correct?

Pretty sure there's a fan shot video from side stage that you can see him, its not great footage though.
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u70qbbjSVN0

    around 1:45 you can see security fighting with him behind carter.
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

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    Credit to Xcacel for putting out this idea in the "Random dmb thoughts" thread!
    Thanks to OP for the credit and for making this thread real. Just discovered it by chance

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    Old 03-05-2021, 05:21 PM   #34
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

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    Pretty sure there's a fan shot video from side stage that you can see him, its not great footage though.
    Here's a better one. I edited and posted it i guess after you quoted me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTphPMl3NKE
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

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    My recollection is that there is no actual video circulating that shows the trench coat guy. Is that correct?

    Nvm, found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTphPMl3NKE
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    Here's a better one. I edited and posted it i guess after you quoted me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTphPMl3NKE


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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

    Oh wow. I’ve seen the Carter pissed off video but Ive never seen the correlating trench coat video. I’ve heard several references made to the trench coat guy in my time on ants but I never knew they were part of the same episode. Thanks for sharing.
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    Oh wow. I’ve seen the Carter pissed off video but Ive never seen the correlating trench coat video. I’ve heard several references made to the trench coat guy in my time on ants but I never knew they were part of the same episode. Thanks for sharing.
    I want to hear the IEM
    Curious as to what he was pissed about, the fact the guy got on stage, that he got so close, whatever
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    I want to hear the IEM
    Curious as to what he was pissed about, the fact the guy got on stage, that he got so close, whatever
    My very subpar lip-reading skills tell me that at least twice he says "What the fuck-" and then more. My guess is he's yelling at whoever is listening to yell at venue security and maybe Daryl as head of DMB security? He's looking off in the other direction so - oh, maybe the Stage Manager/Production Manager for DMB? Either yelling that they screwed up or they need to find out who at the venue screwed up?

    Just guesses...
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

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    Here's a better one. I edited and posted it i guess after you quoted me:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTphPMl3NKE
    Damn - Have never seen this angle and actually seen trenchcoat man. Nice job.
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

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    Thanks to OP for the credit and for making this thread real. Just discovered it by chance

    I think I am going to write/read a lot on this thread, in the next weeks.
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

    Here’s another one - copy/paste from a TDC post I came across a few months back:

    “I think what's more interesting was the supposed rift between Dave and Tim. Between '99 and '03, I'm not sure what exactly sparked it, some rumors of Dave just dropping communication with Tim, the band not wanting Tim during the LWS or the ED sessions and Tim taking it as a sleight from Dave himself, supposedly a '00 D&T tour was in the works and Dave never reached out to Tim to let him know it was off rather management reaching out and Tim felt like his friend was distancing himself from him, a few other rumors that were never fully proven. Then, on Tim's live DVD "Chaos View" which was recorded in April '02, there is some backstage footage of Tim and the camera operator taking jabs at Dave.

    It was just so weird because the actual DVD wasn't released until the beginning of 2003 when Tim was in the studio with Dave recording Some Devil. Fans didn't really know what to make of it and people assumed the two just made some quick amends by just being in the same room and clearing the air a bit. Then by the time the D&T tour was happening the DVD was no longer available on Tim's site. A lot of that could just easily be coincidence since the D&T tour was announced that fans were excited about D&T touring again and people just shopping for Tim merch and the DVD had sold out. However...the DVD was once again available in 2004, but it was missing the backstage footage. And because of that there was speculation that Tim's people were contacted by DMB management and asked to re-issue the DVD and edit out the backstage Dave banter as it didn't really look good publicity-wise.

    A LOT of this was never really proven. Just some interesting coincidences or some truth? Who knows.”

    There’s some really interesting discussion about it in the thread here: http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/sho...4629&page=1381
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    Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

    Since we are speaking of Carter... A couple of things I didn’t know about Carter


    The Babysitter Story
    Most of the people already know that Carter’s passion for drumming started at the age of 3, when he was taken by his father to watch Buddy Rich perform. He grew up in a household full of music. Everything from jazz, gospel to the Beatles was played.
    So, his father was going to a Buddy Rich concert, but he couldn't find a babysitter for young Carter. His only solution was to take Carter with him. From the moment Carter laid eyes and ears upon Buddy Rich, he was enthralled and facinated with Rich.

    Carter speaks about that is “Under the Table and Drumming” (check it here).
    Upon hearing his son's playing, Carter's father was impressed and bought him a Roy Rogers drum kit made with paper heads and tin shells. This was all Carter needed.


    Ambidexterity
    Carter plays Open-Handed, we all know that, but he is also ambidextrous. The story of its ambidexterity is quite interesting (source here)

    When he was just starting out, Carter Beauford would set his drum kit as a mirror image of the ones played by the drummers he watched on TV. He wasn’t concerned about leading with his stronger hand, but rather in playing like the guys he watched. So he would set the snare and hi-hat by the right side of the bass drum, while leading with the left hand crossed over the right hand. This led him to the strong development of his weaker side. As time went by, he started noticing that most of the drummers played in a reversed position from his, that is, with the hi-hat and snare on the left side of the bass drum, while leading with the right hand over the left. Since he preferred that look over the one he add with the lefty drum set, he decided to switch over, which lead him to the development of the right side of his body also. As you may imagine, this resulted in Carter achieving one of the holy grails of drumming, ambidexterity. At the time, Carter thought that ambidexterity was something common to every drummer, which as we all know, it’s something that is actually pretty rare.
    One of the main issues young drummers have when starting out is the lack of strength and control over their weakest limbs. Pursuing ambidexterity is desirable since it’ll not only give you a lot of freedom while you play, but will also help you in further developing your weaker side, acquiring some of the facilities inherent to the stronger side. Although Carter developed both sides of his body, it still felt more natural to him to play with his left hand leading. This ultimately led him to dabble around with open-handed drumming, since he liked playing on a right handed kit.
    Open-handed playing allows Carter Beaufrod’s right hand to be a “solo hand”, playing some shots on toms, cymbals, and auxiliary percussion, while the left hand plays ride patterns and the snare drum. This gave birth to another very cool concept Carter has developed primarily since he started playing with the “Dave Matthews Band” – playing percussionist’s parts on the drum set. You see, throughout his career almost every band he was in had a hand percussionist. When he began creating music with the “Dave Matthews Band”, and since there wasn’t any hand percussionist in the band, he felt the need to add some percussionist patterns with his drum set to better complement certain songs. That resulted in him adding different splash cymbals, wood blocks, cowbells, and timbales to his drum set, so he could better emulate or add some percussionist based patterns and texture.



    Golf Gloves
    From the first time I saw this guy playing, I have been so fascinating by his smile, is bubble gums (not anymore) and his white gloves.
    As he explained once, is not fashion, it is just to protect his hands and to have more grip (so that he can relax his hands more).
    Carter tells the whole story here, together with some other insights about his Vic Firth sticks.
    He uses golf gloves since he was injured once, since doctors wanted him to protect the tendons on this thumb. He couldn’t play well with a brace, so one cold night in San Francisco someone gave to Carter a pair of golf gloves, and they worked great. So, he wears golf gloves every night since then.


    Carter’s real age
    If it is certain that Carter’s birthday is on November 2, for a long time it was not clear Which year. Most of the sources stated that he is from 1957. However, recently Wikipedia was edited, and most probably he is from 1958. So, he will turn 63 next November.


    How long will he play
    How long will be Carter playing? That’s a good question. He says something here:

    I work out before the shows, then do a three- and-a-half-hour concert where I leave everything on that stage. Nothing’s guaranteed, but all we can do is our best. I try to eat right. I want to play forever. There’s no stopping for me. A lot of drummers played into their later years—Elvin Jones, Max Roach—and they were still killing it. I want to do that. I want to go as far as I can possibly go, and then some.

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    Old 03-06-2021, 12:35 PM   #43
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    Here’s another one - copy/paste from a TDC post I came across a few months back:

    “I think what's more interesting was the supposed rift between Dave and Tim. Between '99 and '03, I'm not sure what exactly sparked it, some rumors of Dave just dropping communication with Tim, the band not wanting Tim during the LWS or the ED sessions and Tim taking it as a sleight from Dave himself, supposedly a '00 D&T tour was in the works and Dave never reached out to Tim to let him know it was off rather management reaching out and Tim felt like his friend was distancing himself from him, a few other rumors that were never fully proven. Then, on Tim's live DVD "Chaos View" which was recorded in April '02, there is some backstage footage of Tim and the camera operator taking jabs at Dave.

    It was just so weird because the actual DVD wasn't released until the beginning of 2003 when Tim was in the studio with Dave recording Some Devil. Fans didn't really know what to make of it and people assumed the two just made some quick amends by just being in the same room and clearing the air a bit. Then by the time the D&T tour was happening the DVD was no longer available on Tim's site. A lot of that could just easily be coincidence since the D&T tour was announced that fans were excited about D&T touring again and people just shopping for Tim merch and the DVD had sold out. However...the DVD was once again available in 2004, but it was missing the backstage footage. And because of that there was speculation that Tim's people were contacted by DMB management and asked to re-issue the DVD and edit out the backstage Dave banter as it didn't really look good publicity-wise.

    A LOT of this was never really proven. Just some interesting coincidences or some truth? Who knows.”

    There’s some really interesting discussion about it in the thread here: http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/sho...4629&page=1381
    never heard of this dvd. wonder if that portion is available on youtube at all? ive always wondered what the deal was. it would seem to me maybe the rift wasn't only (if there was a rift) between dave and tim, but someone else in the band and tim? dave and tim hooked back up in in 2003 but the only time tim did anything with the band between 98-08 was the 04 new mexico show where he played on four songs.
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    I want to hear the IEM
    Curious as to what he was pissed about, the fact the guy got on stage, that he got so close, whatever
    I'm guessing its that the guy was roaming free right behind him before cruising out past the drum riser. Dude could have made a big problem for Carter had he wanted to. I'd love to know how that guy got on/backstage to be able to cruise in from behind like that. Pretty wild given how much security I would assume they have.
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    Here’s another one - copy/paste from a TDC post I came across a few months back:

    “I think what's more interesting was the supposed rift between Dave and Tim. Between '99 and '03, I'm not sure what exactly sparked it, some rumors of Dave just dropping communication with Tim, the band not wanting Tim during the LWS or the ED sessions and Tim taking it as a sleight from Dave himself, supposedly a '00 D&T tour was in the works and Dave never reached out to Tim to let him know it was off rather management reaching out and Tim felt like his friend was distancing himself from him, a few other rumors that were never fully proven. Then, on Tim's live DVD "Chaos View" which was recorded in April '02, there is some backstage footage of Tim and the camera operator taking jabs at Dave.

    It was just so weird because the actual DVD wasn't released until the beginning of 2003 when Tim was in the studio with Dave recording Some Devil. Fans didn't really know what to make of it and people assumed the two just made some quick amends by just being in the same room and clearing the air a bit. Then by the time the D&T tour was happening the DVD was no longer available on Tim's site. A lot of that could just easily be coincidence since the D&T tour was announced that fans were excited about D&T touring again and people just shopping for Tim merch and the DVD had sold out. However...the DVD was once again available in 2004, but it was missing the backstage footage. And because of that there was speculation that Tim's people were contacted by DMB management and asked to re-issue the DVD and edit out the backstage Dave banter as it didn't really look good publicity-wise.

    A LOT of this was never really proven. Just some interesting coincidences or some truth? Who knows.”

    There’s some really interesting discussion about it in the thread here: http://www.thesedayscontinue.org/sho...4629&page=1381
    I’ve been an obsessed fan of this band since 1999. This is the first I’m hearing if this.. while we all obviously don’t know everything.. I would have to believe the break from Tim with DMB was not intentional on the slightest..

    I believe Tim didn’t want DMB to be his full time gig... he fight hard to not live in the road and only be doing one thing. Based on interviews with him he sounds like he enjoys variety in his gigs. From Radio City he said D and T is fun because it’s not something they do all the time... he mentioned in 08 that TR3 was able to coordinate gigs around the DMB tour and that was a big factor for him...

    My other thought is money... with Dave I can’t imagine him making much of a living on his own or other bands... ever been to a TR3 show? There’s hardly any people there and I’ve been to 3.. I’m talking less than 50... one show had more members on stage than the audience.. nice treat for me and my friend but not the band... In 08 he was roughly 50.. probably wondering what the future held for him.. I would imagine if those thoughts coincided with Dave asking him to re join the band and make millions over the next 10 plus years.. that it would be a solid yes.. especially with the creative license Dave gave him essentially pushing out butch and lessening Boyd’s role in many songs..

    I do think the ED sessions began tension in the band... that then led to Dave holding material for a solo album and inviting Tim into that session... but no other band members... I mean if you only consider 2000-2001... with some devil being recorded late 02 or post D and T 03 tour... that’s only a couple years he wasn’t active with Dave... 5 years 10 years maybe you’d have something...
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    Here's my offer of something none of you know, unless you knew me 20 yrs ago: I was the first person EVER to twist Jeff Coffin's beard into twists! I think I even have a photo somewhere of right after I did it the 1st time, and I don't even know if Jeff remembers that, but I suggested it, he said he'd never had it like that before, and I did it. I think I did it in a few twists, not just one, but that was roughly 20 yrs ago and it has made me smile to occaisionally see pics of him with it twisted since then.

    And if anyone knows Jeff, this was obviously when he was still with Bela Fleck, ask him if he remembers a guy working on DMB's crew named Mitch (who I think did catering) because if my mind remembers correctly at all, the pic of the first twisted beard also has Mitch from catering in it.

    I haven't seen Jeff since 2008 (twisted his beard in like '98) and he wouldn't remember me by name but he'd remember me by sight.

    So that's the extent of my contribution to the DMB legacy
    Was just going through a bag for something, found some of my DMB pics from way back and my memory was half right, I have a pic of Jeff right after I twisted his beard for the first time ever for him (I got the main point right at least ) but he's with Butch, and then I have another pic of Mitch with Futureman taken moments later.

    But here's the pic! Anyone in touch with Jeff, feel free to share it & let him know I'll be waiting for the royalties on that designer beard "look" he sported for a while there.... =)
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    I'm guessing its that the guy was roaming free right behind him before cruising out past the drum riser. Dude could have made a big problem for Carter had he wanted to. I'd love to know how that guy got on/backstage to be able to cruise in from behind like that. Pretty wild given how much security I would assume they have.

    Yeah, how the hell did this guy manage to stay on stage for over 3 minutes before getting kicked out?
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    Re: Things I didn't know about Dave Matthews Band

    In 2009, Jake wrote an article about hearing Machead. Although most people believed his story, there were at the time some that didn't believe it was true.

    The story can be found here: https://antsmarching.org/columns/column.php?columnid=71

    Most people have probably read it or have seen it by now. It's not a secret.

    In Jake's write up, he describes hearing several versions of the song. In describing at least one version, Jake stated that "Dave sings the majority of the song in falsetto. It features only Dave, Carter, and Stefan, with Fonz playing an upright bass. There are no real lyrics to the song, just place-holders. Dave adlibbed about a tapeworm that producer Steve Lillywhite obtained from a bad sausage."

    In 2018, Matt Norlander interviewed Steve Lillywhite on all things BTCS. The interview was very detailed and released in two parts. Nearly 9 years after Jake wrote his column on Machead, and 20 years after the release of BTCS, Lillywhite remembered and joked about having a tape worm during the 1997 recording sessions - even saying that there is a version of Rapunzel in the archives where Dave sings about the tapeworm.

    http://www.mattnorlander.com/norland...streets-part-1

    30 minutes in (but if you've never listened to the full interview before, you DEFINITELY should - there is a part 2 as well).
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