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Old 10-23-2021, 05:57 PM   #91
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Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

You canít accurately characterize someone if you donít know them. Your perception of Jerry Garcia or Dave has nothing to do with what they are really like in real life. You should mind your own business and try to get your own real life and not post your opinions about people who are dead and you know nothing about. I went to over 100 Desd concerts with Jerry and he was never drunk. Iíve never seen Dave drunk on stage, we all like to get fucked up for concerts so what is your problem and who are you to judge?

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  • Old 10-23-2021, 06:25 PM   #92
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

    I think the heavy drinking went away when he had his kids. Being a parent changed everything. He still likes to drink of course, but he seems sober most of the time when performing.

    I think he plays up a lot of the "davespeak" these days
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    Old 10-23-2021, 06:34 PM   #93
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

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    You canít accurately characterize someone if you donít know them. Your perception of Jerry Garcia or Dave has nothing to do with what they are really like in real life. You should mind your own business and try to get your own real life and not post your opinions about people who are dead and you know nothing about. I went to over 100 Desd concerts with Jerry and he was never drunk. Iíve never seen Dave drunk on stage, we all like to get fucked up for concerts so what is your problem and who are you to judge?

    this is ridiculous
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    Old 10-23-2021, 07:55 PM   #94
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

    Now, you tell me if this is something you donít want to get into ó and this could entirely be based on my misreading between the lines ó but going back and reading old articles about you over the years, there were a conspicuous amount of references to drinking. Sometimes those references were playful and sometimes they werenít. So the question occurred to me: Has alcohol ever been a problem?
    Iíve had a lot more drinking in my life than I wouldíve if my job hadnít put me in an environment where everybody was celebrating drinking. All the years we played clubs and frats ó every single night we would be drinking and doing whatever else was happening. I still drink, and I keep my center better. I do worry about destroying my mind sometimes.

    Howís that?
    By anyone elseís standards but my own I am a raging alcoholic.

    The way you said that ó I canít tell how serious youíre being.
    I mean, Iím talking about the amount I drink. But if I donít have a drink for a month, I donít ó itís harder for me to give up bread than it is to give up alcohol. But I like a drink. I grew up in an extended family that likes to drink. My mom, she enjoys a glass of wine or some whisky, but sheís quite moderate relative to my uncles ó South Africans are pretty big drinkers. Iíve seen a lot of people around me go sober. The fish always gets bigger when they tell their drinking stories again, but I understand that as well.

    Sometimes people need exaggeration in order to make sense of their lives.
    Thatís right ó however you can move forward. A lot of people deal with [drinking] beautifully and a lot of people struggle with it. But I worry. I donít drink like I used to, I donít think. But I like wine. I like the culture of it. Iíve pulled back, but I like it at the same time. I like it.

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    Old 10-24-2021, 01:59 AM   #95
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

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    You can’t accurately characterize someone if you don’t know them. Your perception of Jerry Garcia or Dave has nothing to do with what they are really like in real life. You should mind your own business and try to get your own real life and not post your opinions about people who are dead and you know nothing about. I went to over 100 Desd concerts with Jerry and he was never drunk. I’ve never seen Dave drunk on stage, we all like to get fucked up for concerts so what is your problem and who are you to judge?
    First third of that last sentence...some of us have. It's not the end of the world. In our case it didn't seem to negatively affect his performance.

    To the second third of that same sentence...that's pure assumption. I do not enjoy being drunk or altered at shows. I'm there for the music. And at the best shows, that's where I get and find my high.

    To the last third...it's seems clear to me that people here love Dave and it's more about concern than judgement. If, however, he was regularly drunk AND the performance suffered for it, we (the folks paying to see the shows and all related expenses) would have every right to complain and judge. Not sure anyone would disagree with that, but I'm sure someone here will.
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    Old 10-24-2021, 04:33 AM   #96
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

    Clearly you guys don't see him with is running coach as well as the running he does at each venue. Dave is in great shape and is taking care of himself probably better than most of us.
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    Old 10-24-2021, 07:19 AM   #97
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    My son is autistic. I am a physician. Couch speculation glazes over so, so much. The original thread was discussing alcohol use.
    Iím not trying to pick a fight on the internet. All Iím saying is that, there are some huge inferences being made here. I donít pretend to walk in your shoes, but there is a major difference between what internet folk call the spectrum and clinically relevant disease. To act like they are the same is not right IMO. Obviously I have some bias. Life is hard and this whole thing probably triggered me more than it should have.
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    Old 10-25-2021, 12:40 AM   #98
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    Lol. If you donít think he is fucked up there you must be blind. No offense.
    Not drunk, definitely high though.

    But as far as drinking before a show, I don't know what show it's from because it was on that DaveSpeak compilation DreamingTree used to have, but he talks about seeing the Pogues:

    "I donít normally drink before the shows because I donít work. These guys walked on stage completely shitfaced, these guys were so shitfaced they couldnít walk. They were falling out on stage, but they know how to deal with the drink. A lot of people, like me, they get hosed and then they canít do shit. They went on stage, falling up, walks up to the stage and goes ďgkshfjskdhfgslhfgjkdshdjcdww 12 fuck youĒ and they just bust into the baddest jam. And it was flying! And they were tight! I was like ďlook at that shitĒ If I was to go out on stage half drunk Iíd be like this: (sings super slow and all over the place, pretends to get distracted, goes back to singing song, slurs ďiiiI lOVe bUSHch lighT!"
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    Old 10-25-2021, 12:50 AM   #99
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    You canít accurately characterize someone if you donít know them. Your perception of Jerry Garcia or Dave has nothing to do with what they are really like in real life. You should mind your own business and try to get your own real life and not post your opinions about people who are dead and you know nothing about. I went to over 100 Desd concerts with Jerry and he was never drunk. Iíve never seen Dave drunk on stage, we all like to get fucked up for concerts so what is your problem and who are you to judge?
    This is... something
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    Old 10-30-2021, 07:55 PM   #100
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    Re: Does Dave still have a drinking problem?

    I suppose I'm re-awakening this thread just to shine some light on neurodiversity. I know that it's quite common for folks to say "on the spectrum" and it's also really limiting language. Neurodiversity isn't a spectrum - that reflects a linear progression from less --> more of something. But there are so many factors that make up *each one of our* neurology. The diversity we see in folks with autism is so varied. Here's a link to a graphic that illustrates this better than I might be able to explain: https://themighty.com/2020/03/autism-spectrum-wheel/

    So, if someone were to say, "dave is neurodiverse" I wouldn't really think twice, because it's the diversity that makes someone inclined to practice really hard at something, learn every detail about a topic, be SUPER talented at a skill or creative outlet, or have trouble with lighting, sound, textures, etc. Most geniuses are not neurotypical.

    Ask yourself: do you chew on your pen or pencil when you're thinking? Do you shake your leg at the table you're sitting at sometimes? Do you play with your hair or like to chew gum? Those are stims. Stims help folks regulate their nervous systems. If you look closely at your behavior, you'll find the stims that you see as second nature to you. That's your neurodiversity. Though, I don't see Dave's hand movements as stims as much as they are movements that help him uncramp his hands from the unique way he plays.

    Anyway, I came on here because I think some people felt defensive over the idea that Dave could be autistic. I don't think folks would have the same vibes over his neurodiversity.

    I work with young adults with autism and developmental disability and it has helped me notice my own neurodiversity as well as others who seem quite neurotypical.
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    Old 10-31-2021, 03:08 PM   #101
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    Do you know who WAS drunk on stage, though? Neil Young at the 01 Charlottesville shows. RIGHT?!
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    Old 11-03-2021, 10:57 PM   #102
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    I suppose I'm re-awakening this thread just to shine some light on neurodiversity. I know that it's quite common for folks to say "on the spectrum" and it's also really limiting language. Neurodiversity isn't a spectrum - that reflects a linear progression from less --> more of something. But there are so many factors that make up *each one of our* neurology. The diversity we see in folks with autism is so varied. Here's a link to a graphic that illustrates this better than I might be able to explain: https://themighty.com/2020/03/autism-spectrum-wheel/

    So, if someone were to say, "dave is neurodiverse" I wouldn't really think twice, because it's the diversity that makes someone inclined to practice really hard at something, learn every detail about a topic, be SUPER talented at a skill or creative outlet, or have trouble with lighting, sound, textures, etc. Most geniuses are not neurotypical.

    Ask yourself: do you chew on your pen or pencil when you're thinking? Do you shake your leg at the table you're sitting at sometimes? Do you play with your hair or like to chew gum? Those are stims. Stims help folks regulate their nervous systems. If you look closely at your behavior, you'll find the stims that you see as second nature to you. That's your neurodiversity. Though, I don't see Dave's hand movements as stims as much as they are movements that help him uncramp his hands from the unique way he plays.

    Anyway, I came on here because I think some people felt defensive over the idea that Dave could be autistic. I don't think folks would have the same vibes over his neurodiversity.

    I work with young adults with autism and developmental disability and it has helped me notice my own neurodiversity as well as others who seem quite neurotypical.
    Thanks for a really thoughtful, informative post. It's a really useful viewpoint you help us have here.
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    Old 11-05-2021, 07:42 PM   #103
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    Thanks for a really thoughtful, informative post. It's a really useful viewpoint you help us have here.
    Every time I log on and see this thread still on page 1, I cringe. But the fact that it led to this post makes me very happy. I learned something which changed my perspective and will probably use the information for a long time. The interweb is a wild place man :-)
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    Old 11-06-2021, 01:37 AM   #104
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    Maybe Dave is drinking.. he's writing good songs again.
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    Old 11-10-2021, 04:50 PM   #105
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    how was this not locked on page 1
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    Old 11-10-2021, 05:23 PM   #106
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    how was this not locked on page 1
    The added contribution by archaeolady made this thread a bit more savory and informative. So this has merit.
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    Old 11-13-2021, 05:37 PM   #107
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    Pretty sure he does not.. just based on how strong his voice is sounding currently.. drunks in their 50s don’t sing well..unless you’re a pirate or a hobo
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    Old 11-15-2021, 05:33 PM   #108
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    Do you think heís hungover from MSG today? Or just on a bender and we wonít hear from him until Mexico?
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    Old 11-16-2021, 08:48 AM   #109
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    can we lock this already?
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