Will Shotgun be the best song on the new album?

[raid24]

Originally Posted by BruceW

i hope its a lot better than the 07 versions of just yelling...make the lyrics amazing and you got something

the song is always off to such a good start, then its like dave loses is train of thought and just shouts...... im all for a good yell, but its gotta fit..... im still not all the confident that shotgun will be on the album

[ShotgunDMB]

Not if Sugar Will, or possibly Crazy Easy are on it.

[Ascf33]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Yea it is. It just loops around the same guitar part...with lyrics that are just weird..no complexity

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.

See now Break Free doesn't do it for me. Like at all.. Sorry man..But #27 for sure...lotta potential there.

[bradshaw06]

Originally Posted by number4ty1

If Shotgun and Crazy Easy both make the new album (which I doubt), there's no way Shotgun will be the best song.

Actually, if Shotgun does make the new album and it's its best song, then it means the new album isn't great at all.

truth

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

it was more than a guitar riff man, it was fully developed...it had verse bridge and chorus parts..maybe you need to go back and listen to it again.

Fully developed? That's almost like calling "Dressed In Black" a fully developed song. From what we have heard of the song, and being as it wasn't even teased during the 2007 tour, all we can make of it is a somewhat developed idea for a song by Dave Matthews, not by the Dave Matthews Band. Trust me, I don't have to re-listen - I suggest you give it another listen.

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Yea it is. It just loops around the same guitar part...with lyrics that are just weird..no complexity

Now this part confuses the hell out of me when it comes to your posts. You argue with me that "Falling Off The Roof" is a developed song, but tell me that the absolute most complete piece of music this band has put out in two years is not?

Saying it is a looping guitar rhythm is like saying the same thing for Proudest Monkey, or Loving Wings.

Back on the subject of "Falling Off The Roof" - how is this guitar any more spectacular than "Shotgun" - poll Ants...Guarenteed 90% agree "Shotgun"'s guitar is more creative and interesting. As for the song itself, no complexity? This is what a developed song sounds like.

Weird lyrics? Granted I am bias of the lyrics because well, I had a friend commit suicide at a very early age - and it seems as if it is what the song is being sang about....But I wouldn't call them weird.

[bradshaw06]

shotguns lyrics really are not that great

[chr35919]

Originally Posted by Ascf33

It's completely overrated here at Ants. I think both Break Free and #27 are far better songs.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by bradshaw06

truth

Not truth.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by chr35919

Thank you Chris.

[bradshaw06]

Originally Posted by PantalaNagaMan

Not truth.

no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better song

[chr35919]

Originally Posted by bradshaw06

no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better song

no way.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by bradshaw06

no it is, if crazy easy and shotgun are on the album, Crazy easy will be the better song

I love Crazy Easy...trust me, I do.

But if Shotgun is done right...and I mean that when I say "Right". It would be farrrrrr better than anything the band has created since the LWS.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Originally Posted by PantalaNagaMan

Thank you Chris.

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

[chr35919]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

dude, no.

[bradshaw06]

Originally Posted by PantalaNagaMan

I love Crazy Easy...trust me, I do.

But if Shotgun is done right...and I mean that when I say "Right". It would be farrrrrr better than anything the band has created since the LWS.

if its done right, yes it has the potential to be the best.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

Do you have a problem with me, because I am stating my opinion just as you are. No where in any of my posts did I seem to have any sort of problem....I'm glad you enjoy FOTR, but the question was, "Could it be the best song on the new album" - When we don't know what the fuck Carter, or Roi, or Boyd, or Fonz is going to do with the song - when we don't have any idea, how the fuck can we say it's going to be THE BEST. That's because it isn't DEVELOPED! Please grow up before the next time you want to have a conversation with me.

[bradshaw06]

if this question was asked a year ago, id certainly say it would be the best. but im kind of on a C.e. kick right now. If loving wings segues into shotgun, i think that would be insanly awesome

[bradshaw06]

fotr was not a complete song. the lyrics were not finished, the music was not done and i doubt we see it on the album.

[ShotgunDMB]

I'm a big Shotgun fan, but I think Sugar Will and Crazy Easy are by far better songs.

[chr35919]

Originally Posted by bradshaw06

if its done right, yes it has the potential to be the best.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Plus its not just that there's the looped guitar riff.... its also the way he repeats the same voice pattern for each line. like a broken record. I understand your draw towards the topic based on your experience with your friend but this lends nothing to the arguement that its a good musical score

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Plus its not just that there's the looped guitar riff.... its also the way he repeats the same voice pattern for each line. like a broken record. I understand your draw towards the topic based on your experience with your friend but this lends nothing to the arguement that its a good musical score

Musical Score Comparison

Shotgun has not just one, repeated looped guitar riff. It has an intro riff, a main verse riff, a chorus riff, and a bridge riff. Four intricle parts to the song that puts the song together.

The bass of the song is one of the best bass lines Fonz has written since the LWS album itself.

Carter during the first 2 minutes is back to shades of what he used to be, pre Stand Up/Everyday era. No need to explain how amazing his drumming is during the song.

Roi has a large part throughout the entire song, rather than just being placed at a 1 minute solo at the end of the song. He is utilized well, and not just as a soloist but as a musician.

Boyd plays throughout the entire song, a somehwhat gorgeous and harmonic violin part that echoes Dave's guitar throughout the song.

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Falling Off The Roof has two guitar parts...the verse, and the chorus.

It also has lyrics.

And it was also played once.

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Fuck, your right man...I should have analyzed this based on musical score before I even posted in this thread.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Originally Posted by PantalaNagaMan

Do you have a problem with me, because I am stating my opinion just as you are. No where in any of my posts did I seem to have any sort of problem....I'm glad you enjoy FOTR, but the question was, "Could it be the best song on the new album" - When we don't know what the fuck Carter, or Roi, or Boyd, or Fonz is going to do with the song - when we don't have any idea, how the fuck can we say it's going to be THE BEST. That's because it isn't DEVELOPED! Please grow up before the next time you want to have a conversation with me.

just because the band accompanies Dave on Shotgun does not make it any better. In terms of development, I'm talking about composition: lyrics..guitar riff for verse, bridge, chorus...It just doesn't have enough to go by in this department.

Shotgun is good, maybe great, but not amazing. I think all you mistake it's potential (and there is alot of potential) for the real thing. It has flaws, it's going around in circles lyrically, it's loosing it's spontaneity and character, it's honesty and depth. I guess will have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by PantalaNagaMan

Musical Score Comparison

Shotgun has not just one, repeated looped guitar riff. It has an intro riff, a main verse riff, a chorus riff, and a bridge riff. Four intricle parts to the song that puts the song together.

The bass of the song is one of the best bass lines Fonz has written since the LWS album itself.

Carter during the first 2 minutes is back to shades of what he used to be, pre Stand Up/Everyday era. No need to explain how amazing his drumming is during the song.

Roi has a large part throughout the entire song, rather than just being placed at a 1 minute solo at the end of the song. He is utilized well, and not just as a soloist but as a musician.

Boyd plays throughout the entire song, a somehwhat gorgeous and harmonic violin part that echoes Dave's guitar throughout the song.

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Falling Off The Roof has two guitar parts...the verse, and the chorus.

It also has lyrics.

And it was also played once.

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Fuck, your right man...I should have analyzed this based on musical score before I even posted in this thread.

It's not really about all the intricate parts. IMO Falling off the Roof had a sweeter sounding and more interesting melody than any part in Shotgun. It's not about notes, but more about what sounds good. Falling off the Roof also had some very complete lyrics, ones that were thought provoking and were clear. I cannot say the same for Shotgun, and I like Shotgun. But just because it's long, and big sounding does not mean it's the real deal.

[thestand]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

Dude, I don't know what the fuck is up your ass. First of all, FOTR was played by Dave in a very complete form in the one show he played it in. If you listen it DOES sound like a fully developed composition and I already explained why. In addition, the lyrics are quite complete and you clearly get the impression that they wouldn't change once he plays it again unlike the lyrics in Shotgun that are all over the place added to the long miss-placed shouting periods)

I don't even know what your argument is at this point. Because you just solidified my opinion that FOTR is one of the worst DMB songs ever, if there's no chance of it changing. If Dave completely changed the guitar part and all of the lyrics, it'd be great.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by DreamingDave

It's not really about all the intricate parts. IMO Falling off the Roof had a sweeter sounding and more interesting melody than any part in Shotgun. It's not about notes, but more about what sounds good. Falling off the Roof also had some very complete lyrics, ones that were thought provoking and were clear. I cannot say the same for Shotgun, and I like Shotgun. But just because it's long, and big sounding does not mean it's the real deal.

We are arguing over what is a more devloped song for the band, because to be the BEST SONG on the next album...it has to be developed.

Let me lay it out plain and simple....

Falling Off The Roof has been played once, it is a guitar part with decent lyrics.

Shotgun has been played full band for two years now, and could be album ready if they do it appropriately. It is more developed and has more potential from what we as fans know.

[dmbistheshiznit]

Originally Posted by dmbistheshiznit

just because the band accompanies Dave on Shotgun does not make it any better. In terms of development, I'm talking about composition: lyrics..guitar riff for verse, bridge, chorus...It just doesn't have enough to go by in this department.

I don't have a problem with you, I don't even know you..for all I know, this is the only issue we don't see eye to eye on. So lets just agree to disagree on the quality of Shotgun.. Ok? And put this bickering to rest for good..we clearly are both passionate about a truely awesome band..and I can empathize a great deal with you on that.

[PantalaNagaMan]

Originally Posted by thestand

I don't even know what your argument is at this point. Because you just solidified my opinion that FOTR is one of the worst DMB songs ever, if there's no chance of it changing. If Dave completely changed the guitar part and all of the lyrics, it'd be great.

Brendan, I'm beggining to go bizurk.

There is a difference between a full band song played over the course of two years and developing....and a song that was played once, and scrapped because obviously it isn't developed. I don't know what else to say in this thread.