Why Cornbread Is Lyrically Better Than Dreaming Tree

[Beebz]

You shouldnt have phrased this thread the way you did. I see what you're saying and I still dont agree with you, but you dont mean that Cornbread is a lyrically stronger song that Dreaming Tree. You mean Cornbread a more effective combination of lyrics and music, and succeeds at being a fun throwaway song while, in your opinion, Dreaming Tree fails at being a deep, lyrically and themeatically dense medatative song.

I can see that. Ive long characterized Cornbread as a lost cousin of WWYS--same throwaway nonsense lyrics, upbeat jams, crowd-favorite, lots of energy. Both tunes succeeded is being exactly what they were supposed to be--a fun crowd-pleaser.

Having said that, you pull the lyrics from both songs and set them on a peice of paper, its no comparison. That's one of the few objective statements that can be made on this forum. By any measure, Dreaming Tree has better lyrics....and this is coming from the guy who would rather hear Cornbread that DT at a concert.

Both songs serve different purposes. If you think one has fulfilled its purpose more than another, I can back that. You went wrong making a blanket statement that Cornbread's lyrics were better. There aren't too many DMB songs with worse lyrics that Cornbread, and Dreaming Tree certainly isnt one of them.

[JacobLovesYou]

Originally Posted by JohnK86

You ever read poetry?

dreaming tree's lyrics are more poetic then:

i see you there behind the miller shed
that dirty little boy, you givin' him head


you really shouldn't have brought up any "poetic" aspect to this debate. although, a debate hardly exists anyway.



i frame a poster myself and it looks excellent for having done it myself.

i take my poster to a professional and they frame it for me. it looks fantastic, but maybe not quite as good as the last professional i brought a poster too.

clearly the frame job i personally did must be better then the professional's work because it was the best that i could personally do.



to take this thread in a new direction, i say we all start making up hypothetical scenarios like mine above that help to disprove the "limitations theory" that was set up by the OP!

[YouNeverKnow25]

Originally Posted by Trendall

I wondered about this, but didn't think to ask.

Also, everything that the OP has said in this thread has just been logically absurd.

What does this mean? Absurd from a logical standpoint? Logical, but still absurd? Logic requires you to believe his comments are absurd?

Just trying to get a read on your thoughts

[HolyCow]

I almost think the OP is proving some kind of point here.

That would be interesting. To have the anti-ML. A guy that hates pre-2000 DMB but loves everything since. And complains about setlists lacking YMDT, Cornbread and Bayou, and gripes about #41, Ants and Two Step. And while making all his points, he defends them by turning every debate into some sort of wannabe intellectual discussion, diverting attention from his absurd opinion and all the times he's slammed. I think this would be great.

[efraser77]

Originally Posted by bbianca1982

You shouldnt have phrased this thread the way you did. I see what you're saying and I still dont agree with you, but you dont mean that Cornbread is a lyrically stronger song that Dreaming Tree. You mean Cornbread a more effective combination of lyrics and music, and succeeds at being a fun throwaway song while, in your opinion, Dreaming Tree fails at being a deep, lyrically and themeatically dense medatative song.

I can see that. Ive long characterized Cornbread as a lost cousin of WWYS--same throwaway nonsense lyrics, upbeat jams, crowd-favorite, lots of energy. Both tunes succeeded is being exactly what they were supposed to be--a fun crowd-pleaser.

Having said that, you pull the lyrics from both songs and set them on a peice of paper, its no comparison. That's one of the few objective statements that can be made on this forum. By any measure, Dreaming Tree has better lyrics....and this is coming from the guy who would rather hear Cornbread that DT at a concert.

Both songs serve different purposes. If you think one has fulfilled its purpose more than another, I can back that. You went wrong making a blanket statement that Cornbread's lyrics were better. There aren't too many DMB songs with worse lyrics that Cornbread, and Dreaming Tree certainly isnt one of them.

Preeeeeee-cisely.

[Trendall]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

What does this mean? Absurd from a logical standpoint? Logical, but still absurd? Logic requires you to believe his comments are absurd?

Just trying to get a read on your thoughts

The first one. I could have worded that better.

[lieinmygrave41]

Originally Posted by HolyCow

I almost think the OP is proving some kind of point here.

That would be interesting. To have the anti-ML. A guy that hates pre-2000 DMB but loves everything since. And complains about setlists lacking YMDT, Cornbread and Bayou, and gripes about #41, Ants and Two Step. And while making all his points, he defends them by turning every debate into some sort of wannabe intellectual discussion, diverting attention from his absurd opinion and all the times he's slammed. I think this would be great.

at least we could chuckle at him occasionally.

[mcwyffe]

it is the OPs first time.

[JacobLovesYou]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

What does this mean? Absurd from a logical standpoint? Logical, but still absurd? Logic requires you to believe his comments are absurd?

Just trying to get a read on your thoughts

i think he means logically absurd

Originally Posted by HolyCow

I almost think the OP is proving some kind of point here.

That would be interesting. To have the anti-ML. A guy that hates pre-2000 DMB but loves everything since. And complains about setlists lacking YMDT, Cornbread and Bayou, and gripes about #41, Ants and Two Step. And while making all his points, he defends them by turning every debate into some sort of wannabe intellectual discussion, diverting attention from his absurd opinion and all the times he's slammed. I think this would be great.

bizarro lewis!

[NextMovement41]

Well thought out OP, as usual people saw the title, didn't read it, and made some humorous jab at your idea.

[YouNeverKnow25]

Originally Posted by Trendall

The first one. I could have worded that better.

agreed. whatever one's opinions are, fine, but don't say try to prove that one thing is good by pointing out flaws in another that are just as applicable to the former.

EDIT: Agreed as to your thoughts, not agreed as to whether you could have worded it better.

[efraser77]

Originally Posted by NextMovement41

Well thought out OP, as usual people saw the title, didn't read it, and made some humorous jab at your idea.

Did you read the thread?

[JacobLovesYou]

Originally Posted by NextMovement41

Well thought out OP, as usual people saw the title, didn't read it, and made some humorous jab at your idea.

there are probably a few scattered jabs, but for the most part this has been a well thought out thread on why the OP's opinions are shared by next to nobody else but himself.

[mcwyffe]

Originally Posted by NextMovement41

Well thought out OP, as usual people saw the title, didn't read it, and made some humorous jab at your idea.

this is what i did

[Trendall]

Originally Posted by YouNeverKnow25

agreed. whatever one's opinions are, fine, but don't say try to prove that one thing is good by pointing out flaws in another that are just as applicable to the former.

EDIT: Agreed as to your thoughts, not agreed as to whether you could have worded it better.

Haha, I thought you were lecturing me then, but I couldn't work out what you were talking about, but then I realised you were actually agreeing with me.

[PleaseOrAppease]

Your argument might not fail so hard if you didn't post in that god awful yellow color.


Actually, it would still be a terrible argument.

[Trendall]

Originally Posted by HolyCow

I almost think the OP is proving some kind of point here.

I get the impression that he's just trying to prove what an intelligent and radical free thinker he is. Personally, I don't think he's doing such a great job of it.

[JacobLovesYou]

my family likes boxed mashed potatoes, the ones you mix with milk. we can certainly afford to mash our own, but we've grown accustomed to the taste, and like them very much.

your family likes to cook real mashed potatoes. cook the taters, mash the fuckers up, throw some butter and even some spices on them. your family's mashed potatoes are good, but not as good as a fancy restaraunt's mashed potatoes.

because my family has the best boxed potatoes you can buy, and we love them and have them twice a week, they must be better then your family's mashed potatoes.

it's just the LIMITATIONS THEORY!

[derelict49]

I will never read a post as long as the OP's.

[Trendall]

Originally Posted by JacobLovesYou

my family likes boxed mashed potatoes, the ones you mix with milk. we can certainly afford to mash our own, but we've grown accustomed to the taste, and like them very much.

your family likes to cook real mashed potatoes. cook the taters, mash the fuckers up, throw some butter and even some spices on them. your family's mashed potatoes are good, but not as good as a fancy restaraunt's mashed potatoes.

because my family has the best boxed potatoes you can buy, and we love them and have them twice a week, they must be better then your family's mashed potatoes.

it's just the LIMITATIONS THEORY!

I was playing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star on the piano earlier, and played it perfectly with no wrong notes whatsoever. Then I saw this guy play Rachmaninoff's third piano concerto, and he hit one wrong note in the middle. So because I hit no wrong notes and that guy did, I'm clearly a better piano player than he is.

[derelict49]

oh, and Dreaming tree is better in all aspects, not just lyrically. Especially not lyrically. ehh..

[da309392]

I log on Ants.org and see this thread title and did one of these I cannot believe a thread on this topic was created. I debated on even clicking the link in fear of getting caught in the most ridiculous argument ever. I still haven't read the original post. I'm still afraid of how I will feel about humanity after reading it.

[solsburyhill]

When I've argued that UTTAD isn't as good as it is hailed to be, I've been told it's perfect because it accomplishes exactly what it needs to. I never understood that.

[thebridge15]

i actually can understand that point. maybe its cause i really dont mind cornbread at all. i like it quite a bit. but dreaming tree to me is all about its lyrics

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by derelict49

I will never read a post as long as the OP's.

I will never read a post as yellow.

[mcwyffe]

Originally Posted by derelict49

I will never read a post as long as the OP's.

smartest comment yet.

[Trendall]

Originally Posted by mcwyffe

smartest comment yet.

Nope, this is -

Originally Posted by sheldonlevene

I will never read a post as yellow.

[joshizzle3]

i agree with your reasoning, but disagree with your conclusion.
good post though

[sheldonlevene]

Originally Posted by joshizzle3

i agree with your reasoning, but disagree with your color choice.
good post though

Fixed. You can thank me later.

[derelict49]

Originally Posted by mcwyffe

smartest comment yet.

It's a QC thing. You understand.