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Old 07-11-2007, 03:55 PM   #121
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Re: Fantasy Tour Discussion

Still Water could potentially go out on it's own...things change, you never know....Last year we finally got loving wings without that damn WAYG....It's still early...but we need to figure this out soon...It's crazy...
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  • Old 07-11-2007, 05:25 PM   #122
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    Re: Fantasy Tour Discussion

    I created this thing...so my ruling is final.

    Still Water is in the cover song blanket.

    If it opens, both DDTW and Cover song recieve opener points (3).

    If just played, (2)...

    I just listened to the 7.08.07 version, and it doesn't matter if it's an intro, its a fucking song now...It went from just an intro to a whole song, just listen to it.

    The rulling is final.
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    Old 07-11-2007, 05:32 PM   #123
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    Glad this thing is finally over!

    I think the best thing for next year (assuming they keep playing SW>DDTW) would be to have SW and Cover Song different. And I think SW shouldn't be counted because I believe it is just an intro to DDTW (but what the boss says, goes! )
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    Old 07-11-2007, 06:03 PM   #124
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    Thank you very much. Back to 11 points.
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    Old 07-11-2007, 06:07 PM   #125
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    Thank you very much. Back to 11 points.
    No...

    You still only have 9

    Two Step = 4
    OSW = 3
    Cover = 2
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    Old 07-11-2007, 06:13 PM   #126
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    No...

    You still only have 9

    Two Step = 4
    OSW = 3
    Cover = 2

    WAIT
    It's group B...isn't it 2 +3 for opening!?
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    Old 07-11-2007, 06:17 PM   #127
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    Re: Fantasy Tour Discussion

    I need to go look at my notebook
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    Old 07-11-2007, 09:08 PM   #128
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    I created this thing...so my ruling is final.

    Still Water is in the cover song blanket.

    If it opens, both DDTW and Cover song recieve opener points (3).

    If just played, (2)...

    I just listened to the 7.08.07 version, and it doesn't matter if it's an intro, its a fucking song now...It went from just an intro to a whole song, just listen to it.

    The rulling is final.
    So what happened to before the draft when you pretty clearly said that a Still Water->DDTW did not get opening points for Still Water? You're changing the rules after the draft dude... That's not gonna fly...
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    Old 07-11-2007, 09:19 PM   #129
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    So what happened to before the draft when you pretty clearly said that a Still Water->DDTW did not get opening points for Still Water? You're changing the rules after the draft dude... That's not gonna fly...
    yeah... that's the one thing that can make the whole thing fall apart. People can deal with rule changes all you want before the draft, but once people have picked songs, it changes people's ability to influence their own outcome. Basically, it means those making the decision are the ones deciding who wins. I've already made the case that letting still water count as an opener makes it more valueable than DDTW. With the way that Jantz himself stated the rules before the draft, with the way that EVERY league drafted, and with the way everything has been done up until now, Still Water should absolutely NOT get points for being an opener. Ok, so there are mixed feelings... I can deal with even a compromise, but I think it's bullshit to start saying that Still Water AND DDTW can both get opener points. And with the way the rules were stated pre-draft, there's no other logical option than to let DDTW get the opener points.

    Want a fair compromise that's a good balance of what everyone's been arguing? Well the only way I can see that won't severely piss off a bunch of people to do that is to let Still Water get points for being played if the road page setlist says it was played in full, but to make a Still Water > DDTW opener give the opener points to only DDTW. Other than that, I can not live with the rules the way they are. This is absolutely rediculous. Jantz, please don't turn this into a dictatorship where you aren't flexible on things. People will like this league if they get to participate in it, but I don't think I'd enjoy being in a league where my voice doesn't get heard. I realize I've had a fair share of influence so far, but please don't forget how we got where we are now. I've sent you a number of PMs about the issue and they have all been ignored so far.
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    Old 07-11-2007, 09:25 PM   #130
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    yeah... that's the one thing that can make the whole thing fall apart. People can deal with rule changes all you want before the draft, but once people have picked songs, it changes people's ability to influence their own outcome. Basically, it means those making the decision are the ones deciding who wins. I've already made the case that letting still water count as an opener makes it more valueable than DDTW. With the way that Jantz himself stated the rules before the draft, with the way that EVERY league drafted, and with the way everything has been done up until now, Still Water should absolutely NOT get points for being an opener. Ok, so there are mixed feelings... I can deal with even a compromise, but I think it's bullshit to start saying that Still Water AND DDTW can both get opener points. And with the way the rules were stated pre-draft, there's no other logical option than to let DDTW get the opener points.

    Want a fair compromise that's a good balance of what everyone's been arguing? Well the only way I can see that won't severely piss off a bunch of people to do that is to let Still Water get points for being played if the road page setlist says it was played in full, but to make a Still Water > DDTW opener give the opener points to only DDTW. Other than that, I can not live with the rules the way they are. This is absolutely rediculous. Jantz, please don't turn this into a dictatorship where you aren't flexible on things. People will like this league if they get to participate in it, but I don't think I'd enjoy being in a league where my voice doesn't get heard. I realize I've had a fair share of influence so far, but please don't forget how we got where we are now. I've sent you a number of PMs about the issue and they have all been ignored so far.
    A.) - It has never been a dictatorship, Im just sick of getting my mailbox flooded with complaints. I dont' know what the fuck to do man.

    My original idea was to have Still Water count as a cover song and not opener points.....That is what I WANTED, but I had people bitching about that, saying there going to drop from the league.

    What can I do man? I'm trying my best here. And I haven't ignored the PM's...Ive sent you messages via AIM while your offline, Im assuming you didn't get them.

    Edit: And the complaints Im talking about John are not from you, you know as much as I do that your my partner and you've helped me out a shit load.....We'll figure something out.
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    Old 07-11-2007, 09:30 PM   #131
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    Re: Fantasy Tour Discussion

    I know that everyone is all cranky at the moment, but this was bound to happen at some point. It's hard to make a draft solely based on what may or may not be played.

    It's not up to Jantz to be able to read DMB's mind and know exactly how they are going to play a song.

    Who the fuck knows, in the next month they may in fact drop it.

    So, my 2 cents is everyone should chill, and hug the person to the left!
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    Old 07-11-2007, 09:36 PM   #132
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    I'm online now Jantz. If you're available... let's talk
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    Old 07-12-2007, 12:13 AM   #133
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    Anyone want to explain this Still Water thing to me? I know I'm behind but all this debating is kinda silly. It's my understanding that:

    - it is only used as an intro to DDTW.
    - it is not played as the full version
    - yet people want it to count as cover song and opener points?

    Am I correct in assuming this? And if I am, why should it count for anything?

    1. If it is not played in full it doesn't get any points. Just like #40.
    2. It isn't listed as an opener on the official setlist, opener points go to DDTW.
    3. There are outros that are partial covers. Why not count them then?

    People who have cover song already have an advantage as it can count as different songs night to night.

    My two cents.
    the thing of it is, it is being played in full, it is not being teased. in fact, at bridgeview still water was longer than ddtw.

    still water has the potential to be played by itself, or before other songs, John even said that it was played before Bartender. For that reason it should get points as a cover song.
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    Old 07-12-2007, 12:22 AM   #134
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    the thing of it is, it is being played in full, it is not being teased. in fact, at bridgeview still water was longer than ddtw.

    still water has the potential to be played by itself, or before other songs, John even said that it was played before Bartender. For that reason it should get points as a cover song.
    Agreed. If it's played full version then it should get points as a cover song. 100%.
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    Old 07-12-2007, 06:22 AM   #135
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    Either way, it's retarded to have two songs get opener credit, and Still Water was declared before the tour to be unable to earn opener credit if it's Still Water > DDTW.

    I think a fair compromise is what I said earlier... if the road page gives Still Water credit as a full song, then it's a full song, but no matter where it's played, it can't get opener credit as long as it goes into DDTW.

    I do think, though, if they open with Still Water > (anything but DDTW) then Still Water should get opener credit, as only Still Water > DDTW was deemed to pass on the opener points.
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    Old 07-12-2007, 11:33 AM   #136
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    Right. Jantz, I'm not trying to bust your balls man, trust me, most everybody on here has really appreciated all the work you've put into this. If there are people who are bitching because they didn't read all the rules you stated before the draft (that Still Water did not get opening points), that's their own fault. If they want to leave the league because of that, that's fine. The league can go on without them. Changing the rules after the draft, on the other hand, like John said, is the thing that will kill this league. I think everybody knew this thing was gonna hit a bump or two along the way just because of how new it is and how big it got, but we gotta stay the course. If people don't like it fuck 'em.

    That said, as I said at the beginning, I'm pretty good at organization and running stuff like this, and if you need any help, I'm more than willing.
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    Old 07-12-2007, 12:06 PM   #137
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    New contraversy: Now that we know the setlist for Best Buy, does that show count?
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    Old 07-12-2007, 12:44 PM   #138
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    New contraversy: Now that we know the setlist for Best Buy, does that show count?
    i dont think it will
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    Old 07-12-2007, 02:11 PM   #139
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    Still Water will recieve points for being played, but as stated in the rules prior...will in fact not recieve opener points, UNLESS played in a scenario that it does not segue into DDTW.

    Let's discuss something else now.

    P.S. Site will be up and running tommorow.

    P.P.S. - The Min. show does not count.
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    Old 07-12-2007, 07:43 PM   #140
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    I agree that the Minneapolis show shouldn't count, but if it did... DAMN!

    YMDT opener - points for me
    Dreamgirl - points for me
    Louisiana bayou - points for me

    I would have owned up on that show... let's hope shows like that continue through the season!!
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    Old 07-12-2007, 07:48 PM   #141
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    I agree that the Minneapolis show shouldn't count, but if it did... DAMN!

    YMDT opener - points for me
    Dreamgirl - points for me
    Louisiana bayou - points for me

    I would have owned up on that show... let's hope shows like that continue through the season!!
    YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!
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    Old 07-12-2007, 08:16 PM   #142
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    YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!
    Bayou also doesn't look like it's leaving anytime soon...
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    Old 07-12-2007, 08:18 PM   #143
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    YMDT i think is gonna get you alot of point this season my dear!
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    Bayou also doesn't look like it's leaving anytime soon...
    these make a guy feel good

    yeah I don't think I'm going to win it all, but I think I'll at least make a respectable showing
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    Old 07-13-2007, 05:05 PM   #144
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    abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew
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    Old 07-13-2007, 05:09 PM   #145
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    abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew

    It wasn't planned. It's not on the setlist.
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    Old 07-13-2007, 05:14 PM   #146
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    It wasn't planned. It's not on the setlist.
    yes it was, its listed as (intro)

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    Old 07-13-2007, 05:24 PM   #147
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    abi was supposed to be played at bridgeview, but wasnt because of curfew
    tell me about it
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    Oh, guess so. I just assumed that was the intro to Two Step. I forgot that they labeled ABI like that on the setlist. I don't care at all for ABI, though. I was actually relieved when they didn't play it.
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    Old 07-14-2007, 09:51 PM   #149
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    The site's lookin good Jantz!
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    Old 07-17-2007, 01:27 PM   #150
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    Just a suggestion.

    The website has a leader board with the top rankings of places 1-15 per individual. Wouldn't it make more sense just to list the top 10 with each place going to whoever is leading their league? I mean that's all that matters right now right?
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