Random dmb thoughts that don't need their own thread

[TerrapinMonkey]

Originally Posted by bowa36

OATB sounds like something from '02-'03..almost like a song scrapped from Some Devil. Am I alone in thinking that? Bismarck has a similar sound

I would agree with the 02 sound, but not necessarily from the Some Devil era. More of the Loving Wings, Gravedigger realm. I know Gravedigger is on Some Devil, but to me it's the most DMB sounding song on that record.

Bismarck is just a great classic sounding DMB song. It's so obvious that is exactly why it's been scrapped. I think Dave is done with the DMB of old and only plays classics to appease the fans.

[prdstmnky36]

Has there ever been a SPAC blanket (or any venue specific blankets) similar to this?

https://imgur.com/a/gPA8xSy

[crounsa810]

Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by crounsa810

Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.

They had them on the bill for the Gorge in 2020. I had tickets too, was hoping the flecktones would come out and jam on 41. Then Covid happened :/

Still hope they book them at the Gorge again, or at least one of Bela’s solo projects.

[Xcacel]

Originally Posted by crounsa810

Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.

I was talking about the same exact thing at late Friday night, after MSG N1, at the bar of the hotel, to a woman, DMBfamily-stylish, 150+ shows seen.
The only comment she made about my wish of seeing Béla with DMB again was: “he’s such a nerd”. And everybody around laughed.

[kmbean]

Bela most likely doesn’t want to bother trying to find space between Rashawn squealing, squeaking and blaring away all night.

[kmb40oz]

Who are Dave's contemporaries? Are there any musicians right now on the same level as Dave Matthews that are also in the same age and career positioning.

Trey is an obvious choice, and Dave has a good relationship with him from the outside looking yet. What other well-known or unknown musicians with you rank as Dave's contemporaries.

[Cptn. Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by kmb40oz

Who are Dave's contemporaries? Are there any musicians right now on the same level as Dave Matthews that are also in the same age and career positioning.

Trey is an obvious choice, and Dave has a good relationship with him from the outside looking yet. What other well-known or unknown musicians with you rank as Dave's contemporaries.

It's cliche, but Mayer/Dead & Co is an easy comparison

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by crounsa810

Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.

i think jeff switching to DMB caused the flecktones to kind of break up

Originally Posted by kmb40oz

Who are Dave's contemporaries? Are there any musicians right now on the same level as Dave Matthews that are also in the same age and career positioning.

Trey is an obvious choice, and Dave has a good relationship with him from the outside looking yet. What other well-known or unknown musicians with you rank as Dave's contemporaries.

maybe guys from other jam bands that have been around a while, like umphreys, or some country singers like toby keith or keith urban?

[Route_2]

Originally Posted by crounsa810

Why do they not have Bela guest more often? He and the Flecktones used to be all over the place with the band and now they’ve been missing for quite a long time.

The saddest thing was having the 2020 Gorge weekend cancelled when Bela was slated to be the opener. What might have been that weekend.

[YankeesDMB41]

Broken Things is one of my all time favorite DMB songs.

[Royal123]

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you and your families!!!🦃💯👍

[Alexis17]

new source of Giants Stadium 1998 posted to Dreaming Tree

[Monkeysmoke]

Originally Posted by spoot388

i think jeff switching to DMB caused the flecktones to kind of break up




maybe guys from other jam bands that have been around a while, like umphreys, or some country singers like toby keith or keith urban?

Flecktones haven’t split up. They still tour but lately Bela has been focused on his Bluegrass work. Jeff Coffin wasn’t even an original member of the Flecktones. Howard Levy left the band and they got Jeff to replace him and then when Coffin left Howard Levy rejoined.

[monizzle145]

Originally Posted by Monkeysmoke

Flecktones haven’t split up. They still tour but lately Bela has been focused on his Bluegrass work. Jeff Coffin wasn’t even an original member of the Flecktones. Howard Levy left the band and they got Jeff to replace him and then when Coffin left Howard Levy rejoined.

Agreen 100% Bela has been on Bluegrass side and prior to Chick Correa's passing had a run of shows and Victor Wooten has been exploring time with his bass extremes project and last year had some show with his family band. But the band had been playing pre pandemic well past Jeff going to DMB so Jeff leaving isn't even close to being a factor lol.

[TypicalBilly14]

The Providence Civic Center opened 50 years ago this month. Here's the setlist from the last time that DMB played that arena (changed names to Dunkin Donuts Center and Amica Mutual Arena):

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dave-...-1bd6fd14.html

[TwoStep2888]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

Broken Things is one of my all time favorite DMB songs.

[haiku.warrior]

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41

Broken Things is one of my all time favorite DMB songs.

love the opening one-two punch of Broken Things and Belly Belly Nice on AFTW

[Alexis17]

New source for 7/28/1992 just posted to Dreaming Tree includes the unheard soundcheck where they are writing Drive In Drive Out on the fly.

Dave Matthews Band
July 28, 1992
Trax
Charlottesville, VA

Taper: (possibly Mark Bonavita)
Source: dsbd
Conversion: DAT > Sony DTC-A7 > Sound Blaster Z optical in > Adobe Audition 2019 > CD Wave Editor 1.98 (tracking and conversion to flac level 8)
Mixing: Hard limiter of -3dB max amplitude then normalize to -0.1dB in Adobe Auditon


SOUNDCHECK
01 - Cry Freedom * (joined in first verse) 3:54
02 - Drive In Drive Out (fragment, ending section jam) 4:42
03 - Drive In Drive Out (fragment) 0:53
04 - Drive In Drive Out (LeRoi joins and all work the ending riff) 2:26
05 - Drive In Drive Out (first rehearsal with intro) 4:50
06 - Drive In Drive Out (writing the chorus and bridge structure) 7:01
07 - Drive In Drive Out (working through parts) 4:23
08 - Drive In Drive Out (writing the intro) 2:37
09 - Drive In Drive Out (partial take) 2:36
10 - Drive In Drive Out (full take) 2:38
11 - Drive In Drive Out (writing the bridge; fragment) 1:54
12 - Ants Marching (partial takes) 1:56
13 - Ants Marching (full take) > 4:39
14 - Drive In Drive Out (ending section jam) 1:38
TOTAL 46:08

* - Dave & Peter only
Boyd not present for soundcheck


MAIN SET
15 - introduction 1:08
16 - The Best of What's Around 5:45
17 - Help Myself 4:58
18 - Jimi Thing 11:58
19 - Seek Up + 4:30
20 - Typical Situation 8:08
21 - Angel from Montgomery 4:27
22 - Satellite 4:23
23 - Warehouse ^ 7:38
24 - Lover Lay Down 7:14
25 - All Along the Watchtower ^ 5:56
26 - What Would You Say 5:00
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27 - Drive In Drive Out *^ 3:40
28 - Lie in Our Graves * 2:23
29 - Tangerine * 6:02
30 - True Reflections 6:37
31 - Minarets 6:38
32 - The Song That Jane Likes 3:41
33 - Ants Marching > 4:21
34 - Recently 7:49
35 - Spotlight 5:57
36 - Cry Freedom 6:52
37 - Two Step 5:57
38 - Dancing Nancies 6:42
39 - Tripping Billies 4:51
TOTAL 2:26:00

* - Dave solo
+ - Dave & LeRoi only

^ - There is a tape change after Warehouse. All Along the Watchtower is faded in after what seems a few seconds. Comparing to the DMB tape, the stage banter that precedes the tape change is omitted as the conversation is cut off by the change. The DMB tape rebuilds the first notes of Watchtower, but don't seem to be the true first notes of the song based on this tape.

Drive In Drive Out fades in at the beginning, same as the DMB tape.

The soundcheck contains some cuts here and there between takes, some directly into music. Otherwise it is mostly comprised of the band learning Drive In Drive Out, including some parts being written on the fly that would become part of the standard arrangement.

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This is a new source to circulation as of fall 2022. It is part of a collection of tapes that Bill Lakenan provided and allowed us to review for sources that didn't make it into the digital age. Huge thanks to Bill for trusting us with his personal DAT tapes to help us provide as many listening opportunity for fans as possible.

If you have any sources that we can help review whether it matches extant sources or want help converting and spreading, please reach out to us at dmbalmanac@gmail.com. We are willing to take on as much of the work as we can to share this music that maybe you might be the only one in possession.

compiled on 11/25/2022 by dmbalmanac.com

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[hopewelljones]

“Boyd not present for soundcheck”

[anthonysoscia]

Originally Posted by TerrapinMonkey

I think if you watch the old school videos in the 90's and early 2000's Carter is very much directing the energy of certain songs, changes, count ins etc in the live setting.

But I think Roi was still more of the creative director at that time behind the scenes, with the writing, and really leading the jams with Boyd in terms of throwing up softballs for Carter and Fonz to build energy off of. Carter isn't keeping Dave or the rest of the band on track in terms of how songs go when they rehearse, other band members parts, changing jams (the few times they do).

RR has taken over that, and certainly directs the band on stage now too. You can watch him and Stefan, Dave checking him for cues, Buddy relying on him for changes. RR knows EVERYONE's parts and all the songs inside and out. I'm sure the band is still a democracy with Dave in charge. But my guess is when Dave wants to bring an old song back, or change a jam, cut a jam, he relies on RR to get the others on the same page.

100% agree. I think Rashawn has been in that role in the studio too when it comes to ideas for the music/arrangements. I’m pretty sure the way the WATM outro was cut/edited from ‘21 to ‘22 was Rashawn’s doing as well (assuming that happened bc the record label wanted it shortened).

[Beauford3641]

Originally Posted by TypicalBilly14

The Providence Civic Center opened 50 years ago this month. Here's the setlist from the last time that DMB played that arena (changed names to Dunkin Donuts Center and Amica Mutual Arena):

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/dave-...-1bd6fd14.html

I was at that very show. It was a fantastic one. Plus Robert Randolph and the Family Band opened, so it was a great time right out of the gate. I saw them in Providence in 2000 and in 2002. It was really a great place to see DMB.

[grilldanmo]

Would you buy a poster that you didn't really like from a show you went to just because it was the "best" (your favorite) show on that given tour?

[ToySoldier#34]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

Would you buy a poster that you didn't really like from a show you went to just because it was the "best" (your favorite) show on that given tour?

No, but I'd never buy a poster so probably not the best person to answer

[RSSR]

I forgot how much I love LiC. The art work, even despite all the dubs, and editing, love it. Brings me back going to Walmart, opening it, and rocking out The Last Stop.

[KevinTH]

Originally Posted by RSSR

I forgot how much I love LiC. The art work, even despite all the dubs, and editing, love it. Brings me back going to Walmart, opening it, and rocking out The Last Stop.

I shouldn’t be alive the amount of times I nearly caused an accident air drumming to Last Stop in the car

[RSSR]

Tim shredding on Crash Into Me on LiC is beautiful. Some reason it's beautiful and tasteful here. He does have his moments.

[spoot388]

Originally Posted by grilldanmo

Would you buy a poster that you didn't really like from a show you went to just because it was the "best" (your favorite) show on that given tour?

i buy posters because of how the posters look, not because of how the show was. i've been to great shows that had crap posters that i have never wanted to buy. good songs don't make ugly pictures prettier to look at.

[hopewelljones]

Originally Posted by RSSR

I forgot how much I love LiC. The art work, even despite all the dubs, and editing, love it. Brings me back going to Walmart, opening it, and rocking out The Last Stop.

98 really rocks. Tim's playing is so much better. Maceo Parker on WWYS. Rutman and Victor on the Maker, Roi's wah effect on Jimi, Boyd's plucking solo in Watchtower. Such a great show.

[kmbean]

Originally Posted by hopewelljones

98 really rocks. Tim's playing is so much better. Maceo Parker on WWYS. Rutman and Victor on the Maker, Roi's wah effect on Jimi, Boyd's plucking solo in Watchtower. Such a great show.

And no Rashawn.

How on Earth did the band figure out that amazing Last Stop reprise outro without a musical director???