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Old 12-18-2018, 12:42 PM   #118981
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Wikipedia is a decent place to grab demographic information about countries, states, and even cities. Didn't know it was a secret.
yes, that im well aware of. Me knowing the demographics of each country isnt providing an explanation as to why one political philosophy works in a certain country but wouldnt in another.
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    dontdrink very clearly out of his element
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    Old 12-18-2018, 12:46 PM   #118983
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    Yeah, that's not it but very nice spin.
    That's precisely it.

    It appears I gave you too much credit. My sincerest apologies.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 12:51 PM   #118984
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    yes, that im well aware of. Me knowing the demographics of each country isnt providing an explanation as to why one political philosophy works in a certain country but wouldnt in another.
    Pig,

    What you and I want to find out is why Roger and don't drink believe "demographics" are the reason for happiness.
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    Living paycheck to paycheck in America provides an exponentially higher quality of life than living as an average citizen in communist and socialist countries. I'm not pretending American capitalism is perfect but it's exponentially better than any alternative.
    It does seem pretty good at generating more wealth than other systems, but I think the trend over a long enough period of time is that wealth becomes concentrated in the hands of a small group of people. I think that's where we're at now.

    I'm also unconvinced that it's better than any alternative.
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    dontdrink very clearly out of his element
    "Donny, you're out of your element!"
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    Old 12-18-2018, 12:54 PM   #118987
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    I sure remember hearing a lot about the clinton foundation from the right.

    Crickets about Trump's today though.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 12:56 PM   #118988
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    This is a good question and one I'm anticipating we'll learn the answer to in time from Robert Mueller.

    @McFaul
    I still don’t understand why Flynn lied to FBI about his conversations with Kislyak. As former DIA head, Flynn would know how closely Kislyak is monitored. Was he hiding something even bigger than we know? Discussing sanctions doesn’t seem big enough to try to hide at such risk.
    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1075115204537593857
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:01 PM   #118989
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    yes, that im well aware of. Me knowing the demographics of each country isnt providing an explanation as to why one political philosophy works in a certain country but wouldnt in another.
    Some things work better with some groups than others.

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    That's precisely it.

    It appears I gave you too much credit. My sincerest apologies.
    No, it's not. That's not the reason that they hire accountants to hide their current money and evade current tax laws. You're acting like if new taxes were put forth, these folks that are currently evading taxes would stop evading taxes.

    I've posted multiple links about people on the left evading taxes, including newly elected Governor Pritzker who maintains several offshore company accounts that aren't taxable.

    I guess he's just waiting to pass his own tax laws to stop evading taxes?
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    This is a good question and one I'm anticipating we'll learn the answer to in time from Robert Mueller.

    @McFaul
    I still don’t understand why Flynn lied to FBI about his conversations with Kislyak. As former DIA head, Flynn would know how closely Kislyak is monitored. Was he hiding something even bigger than we know? Discussing sanctions doesn’t seem big enough to try to hide at such risk.
    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1075115204537593857
    Dunno if it's just spin or what, but one thing I've heard numerous people on both sides say, is Flynn was probably involved with some real shady characters, and is trying to cover his ass for the sake of either himself and/or his family. Going to prison is Disneyland compared to what some disgruntled Russian/Ukrainian mobsters would do to you/your loved ones.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:02 PM   #118991
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    I sure remember hearing a lot about the clinton foundation from the right.

    Crickets about Trump's today though.
    I think it's great. I've said it before. If you want to enter the realm of politics, you need to exit the realm of "charity." Political foundations are cesspools for corruption.
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    This is a good question and one I'm anticipating we'll learn the answer to in time from Robert Mueller.

    @McFaul
    I still don’t understand why Flynn lied to FBI about his conversations with Kislyak. As former DIA head, Flynn would know how closely Kislyak is monitored. Was he hiding something even bigger than we know? Discussing sanctions doesn’t seem big enough to try to hide at such risk.
    https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1075115204537593857
    -He could be dumb as a rock
    -He could be personally threatened by muh russia

    The dude's looking at NO jail time, and he tries to throw the FBI under the bus? Come on....
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:07 PM   #118993
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    Pig,

    What you and I want to find out is why Roger and don't drink believe "demographics" are the reason for happiness.
    Generally speaking, your demographics has a lot to do with your happiness. Ever lived next to really shitty neighbors? I have. I wasn't feeling too happy back then.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:08 PM   #118994
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    Some things work better with some groups than others.


    Profound stuff there.

    Seems we are at least going in the right direction now. So what is it about the US that wouldnt allow it to work over the other countries? A bunch of citizens in the US mostly conned into thinking that a handful of obscenely rich oligarchs have whats best for them in mind?
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:10 PM   #118995
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    Generally speaking, your demographics has a lot to do with your happiness. Ever lived next to really shitty neighbors? I have. I wasn't feeling too happy back then.
    Interesting, I've never seen 'shitty neighbors' listed as a demographic.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:14 PM   #118996
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    Here's a guy who ran an entire governor campaign on "rich" people paying their "fair share."

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...313-story.html

    Edit: And he won, BTW.

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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:15 PM   #118997
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    Profound stuff there.

    Seems we are at least going in the right direction now. So what is it about the US that wouldnt allow it to work over the other countries? A bunch of citizens in the US mostly conned into thinking that a handful of obscenely rich oligarchs have whats best for them in mind?
    No, that's not it.

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    Interesting, I've never seen 'shitty neighbors' listed as a demographic.
    Times are a changing.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:17 PM   #118998
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    Enlighten my feeble beta commie marxist socialist mind then, rog.
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    'Shithole countries' redux
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:18 PM   #119000
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    Enlighten my feeble beta commie marxist socialist mind then, rog.
    It's too late to enlighten the folks in The Chamber. Sorry.

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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:19 PM   #119001
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    Living paycheck to paycheck in America provides an exponentially higher quality of life than living as an average citizen in communist and socialist countries. I'm not pretending American capitalism is perfect but it's exponentially better than any alternative.
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    I wasn't wrong, you read the post wrong. I said American's living paycheck to paycheck are better off than those in communist countries. Democratic Socialism does not equal Communism, right? Try again.
    Uh, You also said socialism, bud. Just take the L like a man.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:21 PM   #119002
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    'Shithole countries' redux
    Outside of Germany, I think they're all nice countries.
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    Old 12-18-2018, 01:21 PM   #119003
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    Roger, how much of a tax increase would you approve of for more prisons?
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    No, it's not. That's not the reason that they hire accountants to hide their current money and evade current tax laws. You're acting like if new taxes were put forth, these folks that are currently evading taxes would stop evading taxes.

    I've posted multiple links about people on the left evading taxes, including newly elected Governor Pritzker who maintains several offshore company accounts that aren't taxable.

    I guess he's just waiting to pass his own tax laws to stop evading taxes?
    There are two tracks here. Tax evasion (illegal in many cases) is part of the free rider problem. And legal tax loopholes/schemes that allow you to defer/avoid full taxation by reducing your effective rate.

    You're acting as if tax law is static. 'Things are this way, so they could never be that way.'

    I disagree. And so do these wealthy folks who are willing to pay more for their country.
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    US pledging $10.8B in aid for Central America and Mexico
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    I disagree. And so do these wealthy folks who are willing to pay more for their country.
    I guess you believe these people exist the way that I believe in Santa Claus. Fair enough.
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    Generally speaking, your demographics has a lot to do with your happiness. Ever lived next to really shitty neighbors? I have. I wasn't feeling too happy back then.
    If I had to venture a guess, Rog is referring to "non-whites". Those countries listed are largely homogeneous. But I'll also be told I'm wrong by him. He will continue to tell everyone they are wrong, while not offering any more insight of his own.

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    Roger, how much of a tax increase would you approve of for more prisons?
    I'd have all federal agencies that have a pension liability declare bankrupcy so they can eliminate said liability and then use the taxes that were going towards funding the pensions (that shouldn't have existed in the first place) to fund all of my new, beautiful prisons. I'd obviously be encouraging states to do the same. #flawlessidea
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    I guess you believe these people exist the way that I believe in Santa Claus. Fair enough.
    I suppose you believe there would be a mass exodus of wealthy folks from the United States if their marginal tax rate was bumped up a few percentage points. Which is more plausible, that or Santa Claus being real?
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    If I had to venture a guess, Rog is referring to "non-whites". Those countries listed are largely homogeneous. But I'll also be told I'm wrong by him. He will continue to tell everyone they are wrong, while not offering any more insight of his own.
    Since he refuses to answer the question, this is the only logical path I can see as his reasoning.
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