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lockman21 04-21-2014 10:43 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 15271865)
Series over. Q is a good coach, but this is moronic. Zus is done. He should not be in the NHL. Bickell has been invisible.

This series is depressing. Losing to the Blues is one thing. But blowing late leads makes it even worse. And then they simply come out totally flat in OT.
Handzus serves his purpose. Keep him in the lineup for PK and occasional defensive zone draws. Bollig on the other hand...if Q is going to skate him one shift per period...what's the fucking point? Especially when the forwards aren't scoring.

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 10:43 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15271935)
Honestly I would lean towards Lucic being dirtier. It's easy with how fast the game is to make a bad hit without intention, but a nut shot like his was so intentional. He should have gotten at least a game
yea i can get on board with this

TMoore4075 04-21-2014 10:58 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271937)
yea i can get on board with this
Then he played it off like he didn't know he did it....yeah..ok.

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 10:58 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15271984)
Then he played it off like he didn't know he did it....yeah..ok.
wait, i'm confused...you talkin about lucic?

Rebecca De Mornay 04-21-2014 10:59 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
yeah, i guess it just has to do with a hit to the head, they're making a statement that they will take that very seriously.

lockman21 04-21-2014 10:59 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271877)
but he targeted the head and left his feet...
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271894)
yea, i guess i should've used the Shannahan phrase that the head was the "priciple point of contact"

plus you should never leave your feet, even on a shoulder to shoulder hit
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15271905)
agree on all accounts, just think 3 playoff games is too much.

that's like a 15 game regular season suspension
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271923)
i honestly don't even care about the length of suspensions anymore as long as they become consistent and fair

3 games for seabrook but only $5000 for lucic makes no sense to me

both were equally dirty IMO
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15271935)
Honestly I would lean towards Lucic being dirtier. It's easy with how fast the game is to make a bad hit without intention, but a nut shot like his was so intentional. He should have gotten at least a game
This will be my last on this hit, then it's time to move on I think...

1) I don't think he really left his feet in the "dirty" sense of leaving your feet. There's a huge difference between jumping into a check and leaving your feet because of a check...if that makes sense. Your feet are going to leave the ice on any huge shoulder check. It's just so much momentum...it happens. There's a difference between how Seabs left his feet, and how Torres left his feet no his Hossa hit.

2) I was guessing 1, but wasn't going to be surprised by up to 3. I'm not complaining about that length. I want the game cleaner. I wanna see guys respect each other. If this is what it takes, then so be it. That said, it does seem like 1 or 2 above what I would have obviously guessed. Seabs is a clean player with a clean history. He's never even been fined. But, oh well.

3) I would say the Lucic one is dirtier, for sure. That's a pure intent at being a dirt bag. Seabs at least was a hockey play, and you can make a case that Backes didn't leave himself in the best position. Should Seabs have pulled up or at least tried to lessen the blow? Absolutely, but Lucic's move has no place in hockey. That said, if Seabs is going to get 3, Lucic deserves at LEAST 1.

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 11:03 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15271993)
This will be my last on this hit, then it's time to move on I think...

1) I don't think he really left his feet in the "dirty" sense of leaving your feet. There's a huge difference between jumping into a check and leaving your feet because of a check...if that makes sense. Your feet are going to leave the ice on any huge shoulder check. It's just so much momentum...it happens. There's a difference between how Seabs left his feet, and how Torres left his feet no his Hossa hit.

2) I was guessing 1, but wasn't going to be surprised by up to 3. I'm not complaining about that length. I want the game cleaner. I wanna see guys respect each other. If this is what it takes, then so be it. That said, it does seem like 1 or 2 above what I would have obviously guessed. Seabs is a clean player with a clean history. He's never even been fined. But, oh well.

3) I would say the Lucic one is dirtier, for sure. That's a pure intent at being a dirt bag. Seabs at least was a hockey play, and you can make a case that Backes didn't leave himself in the best position. Should Seabs have pulled up or at least tried to lessen the blow? Absolutely, but Lucic's move has no place in hockey. That said, if Seabs is going to get 3, Lucic deserves at LEAST 1.
1. i misspoke when i used the word intent...my point was more towards the head being contacted...seabs plays clean, but the NHL just won't let those hits slide anymore, regardless of history or intent...the fact he left his feet made it worse in the end

2. 3 games is fine with me

3. completely agree p much

edit: and didn't mean to re-hash anything, i just wasn't around over the weekend

fonzz41 04-21-2014 11:05 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271877)
but he targeted the head and left his feet...
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15271888)
just watched again... he does leave his feet. still if backes isn't so leaned over we're just calling that a good hard sholder check. we can't really know if he was targeting the head or not, as chris pointed out he's been a very clean player in his career, it's hard to believe he would do that.
Sometimes leaving your feet just kinda happens when you hit, especially when you make that first contact at that speed. Even if you look at stills of good, clean body checks, you'll still sometimes see the hitter's skates off the ice. It's all about whether he was doing it in order to deliver a dirty check, or really injure the guy by throwing himself at him like a missile.

The biggest thing I think, like you guys said, is the head being the principle point of contact. I agree with Chris that it's not in Seabrook's style to do something like that, but intent is irrelevant when the head is hit, and it was hit hard. But that's the biggest thing to me. In other words, if Seabs lowers the shoulder a bit more, that's probably a clean hit. But I will also admit that's easy for us to say when we're watching from our couches at a slowed-down view.

I agree with others: Fine with removing dirty hits from the game, but consistency is a huge issue.

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 11:07 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15272019)
Sometimes leaving your feet just kinda happens when you hit, especially when you make that first contact at that speed. Even if you look at stills of good, clean body checks, you'll still sometimes see the hitter's skates off the ice. It's all about whether he was doing it in order to deliver a dirty check, or really injure the guy by throwing himself at him like a missile.

The biggest thing I think, like you guys said, is the head being the principle point of contact. I agree with Chris that it's not in Seabrook's style to do something like that, but intent is irrelevant when the head is hit, and it was hit hard. But that's the biggest thing to me. In other words, if Seabs lowers the shoulder a bit more, that's probably a clean hit. But I will also admit that's easy for us to say when we're watching from our couches at a slowed-down view.

I agree with others: Fine with removing dirty hits from the game, but consistency is a huge issue.
the bolded is all i care about

people often bitch about NFL fines and suspensions, but they do it right, the NHL could learn a thing or 2 from the NFL in that regard

JRS1386 04-21-2014 11:12 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
If I recall correctly only Seabs back leg was off the ice at initial point of contact and momentum carried his front leg off the ice. I'm more pissed at the taunting afterwards by keith

TMoore4075 04-21-2014 11:15 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15271987)
wait, i'm confused...you talkin about lucic?
yeah. Well he said he didn't know why he did it. You did it cause you wanted to hurt the guy.

fonzz41 04-21-2014 11:15 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15272052)
If I recall correctly only Seabs back leg was off the ice at initial point of contact and momentum carried his front leg off the ice. I'm more pissed at the taunting afterwards by keith
This really really bothers me, if it's true.

JRS1386 04-21-2014 11:17 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Someone said it, very audible in the video on the past page and you see Steen mouth real classy or something.

TMoore4075 04-21-2014 11:18 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15272052)
If I recall correctly only Seabs back leg was off the ice at initial point of contact and momentum carried his front leg off the ice. I'm more pissed at the taunting afterwards by keith
I'm with you on the taunting. I know a lot of shit gets said on the ice and I know Backes can be a douche. BUT head injuries are scary things and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

lockman21 04-21-2014 11:18 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Looks like we're all in agreement here :lol

fonzz41 04-21-2014 11:20 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15272080)
Someone said it, very audible in the video on the past page and you see Steen mouth real classy or something.
Yep, I've seen all the stuff on it.

Rebecca De Mornay 04-21-2014 11:22 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
sooo... how about those blue jackets?

TMoore4075 04-21-2014 11:23 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15272105)
sooo... how about those blue jackets?
go penis canon!

JRS1386 04-21-2014 11:28 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
When you score with a BJ you would shoot off like a cannon too

fonzz41 04-21-2014 11:29 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15271516)
speaking of this. Niskanen really should sign with the jackets so the whole Nis-Cannon thing can be complete.
:lol

I'm just thinking of the gold that could be mined in terms of pick up lines Niskanen could use on Blue Jacket fan girls.

"Hey, BJ girl, wanna fire my Nis-cannon?"
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15271993)
This will be my last on this hit, then it's time to move on I think...

1) I don't think he really left his feet in the "dirty" sense of leaving your feet. There's a huge difference between jumping into a check and leaving your feet because of a check...if that makes sense. Your feet are going to leave the ice on any huge shoulder check. It's just so much momentum...it happens. There's a difference between how Seabs left his feet, and how Torres left his feet no his Hossa hit.
I totally missed this post until now. Sorry for basically re-stating everything you did. That's how we roll, I guess. :lol

unccrombie 04-21-2014 11:29 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15272105)
sooo... how about those blue jackets?
10 lol guys if they win tongiht

Rebecca De Mornay 04-21-2014 11:37 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
portzline is such a douche, how he has a job is beyond me

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 11:41 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15272068)
yeah. Well he said he didn't know why he did it. You did it cause you wanted to hurt the guy.
yea for sure :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 15272133)
10 lol guys if they win tongiht
dude....don't

unccrombie 04-21-2014 11:50 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15272172)
yea for sure :thumbsup



dude....don't
share the wealth

hailtopitt 04-21-2014 11:51 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 15272199)
share the wealth
commie bastard

lockman21 04-21-2014 12:07 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15272160)
portzline is such a douche, how he has a job is beyond me
:lol Explain.

JRS1386 04-21-2014 12:08 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15272132)
:

I totally missed this post until now. Sorry for basically re-stating everything you did. That's how we roll, I guess. :lol
You two should get a room

lockman21 04-21-2014 12:14 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
http://www.trendingt-shirts.com/tren...000647-1007372

Seriously?

lockman21 04-21-2014 12:15 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 15272249)
You two should get a room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR8ibDVefHM

bonzo48280 04-21-2014 12:17 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15272269)
Jesus. Defending that hit pisses me off


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