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barbogast 03-11-2015 07:40 PM

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First mistake they've made all period and it fucking goes in

Brohan_Santana 03-11-2015 07:48 PM

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Caps played so well. Though they lost they had many opportunities that just didn't fall. The first bouncing puck goal was a fluke.

Though they will come away with nothing in the standings from this game, the Caps still showed tonight that they can hang with the best in a 7 game series. I would love to play the Rags in the first round. Knowing the Caps ability to handle the Rangers in the playoffs makes me confident this team could make some moves come April.

aeroshady 03-11-2015 07:49 PM

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Rangers are 1st in the MET!!! They also are head-to-head for the presidents trophy!! Another impressive win for this team!! Going back to back nights on the road against division rivals and getting two regulation wins! I am pumped!

Hopefully Klein is okay though.

barbogast 03-11-2015 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 15863390)
Caps played so well. Though they lost they had many opportunities that just didn't fall. The first bouncing puck goal was a fluke.

Though they will come away with nothing in the standings from this game, the Caps still showed tonight that they can hang with the best in a 7 game series. I would love to play the Rags in the first round. Knowing the Caps ability to handle the Rangers in the playoffs makes me confident this team could make some moves come April.

I wouldn't. That's the team I want to avoid the most. Without doubt the scariest team in the east right now.

aeroshady 03-11-2015 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 15863390)
Caps played so well. Though they lost they had many opportunities that just didn't fall. The first bouncing puck goal was a fluke.

Though they will come away with nothing in the standings from this game, the Caps still showed tonight that they can hang with the best in a 7 game series. I would love to play the Rags in the first round. Knowing the Caps ability to handle the Rangers in the playoffs makes me confident this team could make some moves come April.

:lol :lolHonestly...what are you on about?

You are the only person I know that could take losing at home with a rested team against a team that had just played their biggest rival the night before and use that as proof the Caps could beat the Rangers in the playoffs.

barbogast 03-11-2015 08:05 PM

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:lol :lol

aeroshady 03-11-2015 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15863409)
I wouldn't. That's the team I want to avoid the most. Without doubt the scariest team in the east right now.

:thumbsup This post makes sense.

Brohan_Santana 03-11-2015 08:11 PM

lol thinking Islanders are the biggest rival


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~Crashintome89~ 03-11-2015 08:18 PM

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It's certainly not the caps.

For the Rangers this season:

Pens
Isles
Caps
Flyers

aeroshady 03-11-2015 09:20 PM

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The Icelanders will ALWAYS be the Rangers biggest rival. It is also funny to me that fans of other teams are trying to tell us who are rivals are....

lockman21 03-11-2015 10:16 PM

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I'm honestly curious if Brohan is serious sometimes or has just become a troll of himself.

salrx95 03-12-2015 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15863532)
The Icelanders will ALWAYS be the Rangers biggest rival. It is also funny to me that fans of other teams are trying to tell us who are rivals are....

We can agree on that. Our rivalry with the Penguins is pretty high right but still no where near the Rag$ for the fans. Players might feel different.

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mr.MikeD (Post 15863259)
Since this is pretty much the only thread i frequent these days, (though I don't post much anymore), I'll throw this in here - come late September, if all goes well mrsmiked and I will have added one more disenfranchised Oilers fan to this world. Just in time to watch McDavid in the pre-season!

Congrats bud. Sounds about right with the pick too. They need more offensively skilled guys up front. lol Although, this (unlike, Nail) would be the easiest pick if they got #1.

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 07:19 AM

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So overtime will be discussed next week at GM meetings. Data sure shows the AHL's games are going to shootouts a lot less. Both leagues have roughly the same amount of games going to OT at around 25% but 77% of AHL games end in OT, while only 44% of the NHL games are. I just have a feeling they won't be able to sell everyone on 3on3, so my guess is, OT is just elongated by a few minutes. I have to say I like the idea of penalties being only 1 minutes in OT. Sure keeping them 2 gives you a better shot of it ending at 4on3 but it's just such a large fraction of the OT that it doesn't make sense. It would be like penalties being 8 minutes long in regulation.

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15863940)
So overtime will be discussed next week at GM meetings. Data sure shows the AHL's games are going to shootouts a lot less. Both leagues have roughly the same amount of games going to OT at around 25% but 77% of AHL games end in OT, while only 44% of the NHL games are. I just have a feeling they won't be able to sell everyone on 3on3, so my guess is, OT is just elongated by a few minutes. I have to say I like the idea of penalties being only 1 minutes in OT. Sure keeping them 2 gives you a better shot of it ending at 4on3 but it's just such a large fraction of the OT that it doesn't make sense. It would be like penalties being 8 minutes long in regulation.

the bolded is a bad analogy because having a short bench for 8 minutes instead of 2 is a HUGE deal, no matter when it happens

also, if they extend OT to 7 or 8 minute, or even 10, then they probably keep 2 minute penalties

it also gives players more incentive to clutch & grab (which i hate) if the punishment is reduced to 1 minute

barbogast 03-12-2015 07:27 AM

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3 on 3 in the NHL would be so amazing

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15863958)
3 on 3 in the NHL would be so amazing

there are so many things the NHL needs to fix before OT though

Alazais 03-12-2015 07:31 AM

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Damn Leafs... Barely beat the Sabres. Just suck more! Lose to them!

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15863948)
the bolded is a bad analogy because having a short bench for 8 minutes instead of 2 is a HUGE deal, no matter when it happens

also, if they extend OT to 7 or 8 minute, or even 10, then they probably keep 2 minute penalties

it also gives players more incentive to clutch & grab (which i hate) if the punishment is reduced to 1 minute

Good point but you get mine. However I don't think they'll do it. I see the point but it took them how long and much research to get to where we are now? if they were going to just elongate OT, I'm ok with 2 minutes. I still feel 8-10 minutes of 4on4 would help a lot.

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15863980)
Good point but you get mine. However I don't think they'll do it. I see the point but it took them how long and much research to get to where we are now? if they were going to just elongate OT, I'm ok with 2 minutes. I still feel 8-10 minutes of 4on4 would help a lot.

yea i knew what you meant, it's just so tricky when it comes to NHL overtime because of the seemingly endless options that they have to weigh

i know i've been very vocal about this before, but i think it's perfectly fine the way it is now. what i would do/change:

1. keep the OT rules the way they are now
2. Widen/heighten the nets by an inch or 2
3. reduce goalies' pad sizes slightly
4. eliminate clutching and grabbing, especially in the neutral zone (and fucking enforce it!!!!)
5. have ALL games be worth the same amount of total points (aka no OT loser point)
6. contract the league down to 26-28 teams (i know. this will never happen)

#4 is the big one for me...stars can't be stars right now because of all the obstruction that's allowed to go on. the league is over-saturated and over-coached

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 07:55 AM

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To #1: I just want OT to be 10 minutes. 4on4 is fine and exciting and I think it would help lessen shootouts.
#2: Was against it before but starting to wonder. I mean goalies in terms of their physical stature, are getting bigger. I mean if you're under 6 feet you are short now.
#3: Which leads to this. Watching games 6 and 7 and the Campbell Conference Finals in 93 seeing Hrudey and Potvin and how small their pads were...amazing. Add bigger pads to bigger guys? There is almost no net to shoot at. This is what is coming next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJz55az43QQ
#4: That's been the problem for years. It's not consistent. One games they'll call everything and the next they call almost nothing. At least in the old days it was consistent. On the bad side of things mind you, but consistent. lol
#5: Won't happen, especially with the shootout. The league wants to lessen them, already doesn't think they should figure into tie breakers, so to have a shootout win worth the same as a regulation win won't happen. I know the argument is teams will try harder to win it, but you can try all you want, sometimes it just happens. I mean Wings try not to go to a shootout (cause they suck at them) and it's still happened like 12 times. That's a lot of 1 points they wouldn't have gotten from a skills competition. I don't think this ever gets fixed. Before the "loser point" we had teams not doing anything in the 5 minutes of OT to not lose that point. It's here to stay.
#6: Most of us agree with this but yeah won't happen. I actually think it's finally getting better in terms of talent to spread around for 30 teams and what's gonna happen? Expansion....sigh. I understand wanting to get as much money as possible but sometimes you just need to be happy with what you have.

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15864014)
To #1: I just want OT to be 10 minutes. 4on4 is fine and exciting and I think it would help lessen shootouts.
#2: Was against it before but starting to wonder. I mean goalies in terms of their physical stature, are getting bigger. I mean if you're under 6 feet you are short now.
#3: Which leads to this. Watching games 6 and 7 and the Campbell Conference Finals in 93 seeing Hrudey and Potvin and how small their pads were...amazing. Add bigger pads to bigger guys? There is almost no net to shoot at. This is what is coming next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJz55az43QQ
#4: That's been the problem for years. It's not consistent. One games they'll call everything and the next they call almost nothing. At least in the old days it was consistent. On the bad side of things mind you, but consistent. lol
#5: Won't happen, especially with the shootout. The league wants to lessen them, already doesn't think they should figure into tie breakers, so to have a shootout win worth the same as a regulation win won't happen. I know the argument is teams will try harder to win it, but you can try all you want, sometimes it just happens. I mean Wings try not to go to a shootout (cause they suck at them) and it's still happened like 12 times. That's a lot of 1 points they wouldn't have gotten from a skills competition. I don't think this ever gets fixed. Before the "loser point" we had teams not doing anything in the 5 minutes of OT to not lose that point. It's here to stay.
#6: Most of us agree with this but yeah won't happen. I actually think it's finally getting better in terms of talent to spread around for 30 teams and what's gonna happen? Expansion....sigh. I understand wanting to get as much money as possible but sometimes you just need to be happy with what you have.

all good stuff here

and you're probably right about #5, but man, it really irks me :lol

it skews the standings pretty drastically IMO

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 08:44 AM

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It only skews the standings because we have shootouts that guarantee a team goes home with a win. So if you go past regulation we guarantee a 3 point night. In 1999-2000 it didn't skew things because you would sometime have ties. The system we have, if we try to lessen shootouts, is probably the best we'll get. The 3-2-1 point system will never happen because some people want 3 points for only regulation wins, but then you have OT and shootout wins worth the same which I don't think should happen and I don't think the NHL will either because the tiebreaker is ROTW so clearly they think a shootout isn't worth the same as OT. So adjust the OT format and keeping the point system is what is going to happen.

Actually the only way I see to make it fair across the board is no OT point and just do continuous OT. No skills competition and no one can play for the tie to keep a point. BUT I don't think that should happen or will happen. I don't want it to because I like the continuous OT is saved for the playoffs plus the NHL won't want a game in November going until 1am and the PA won't sign off on that because of the extra time.

I'm curious as to what comes out of the meetings because it'll be something.

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 09:14 AM

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i just think it should move back to 2 pts for a win and 0 pts for a loss

keep everything else the same

i get that the shootout is a skills competition and teams shouldn't "lose" points because of it (even though they already do, technically) but if it's a part of the game it's on the coaches to practice it and get better if need be

pathetic 03-12-2015 10:45 AM

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B's/TB should be a great game tonight.

going to the st patty's day game against buffalo. can't wait, always a good time on st pattys day in boston

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pathetic (Post 15864303)
B's/TB should be a great game tonight.

going to the st patty's day game against buffalo. can't wait, always a good time on st pattys day in boston

A Tampa loss would help, thanks.

salrx95 03-12-2015 11:52 AM

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Sounds like Boychuk resigned for 7 days. Seems like 2 years too many and probably for too much money. Will be curious what the $$$ are. Maybe they did an extra year or 2 to keep average yearly salary below JT.

Just heard. 42 million. Too much but expected. Might get more or same on open market.

TMoore4075 03-12-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 15864498)
Sounds like Boychuk resigned for 7 days. Seems like 2 years too many and probably for too much money. Will be curious what the $$$ are. Maybe they did an extra year or 2 to keep average yearly salary below JT.

Just heard. 42 million. Too much but expected. Might get more or same on open market.

$42mil for only 7 days? What's that cap hit?

hailtopitt 03-12-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15864505)
$42mil for only 7 days? What's that cap hit?

:lol:lol

salrx95 03-12-2015 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15864505)
$42mil for only 7 days? What's that cap hit?

:lol:lol

Sounds like what the Yankees pay ARod.


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