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unccrombie 07-18-2013 12:43 PM

The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Inspired by the credit thread, I figured we could pool our knowledge and advice about investment products here.

Personally, I'd like to know the best way to go about a savings account. I'm not talking about low yield run of the mill savings accounts. Where can I store money for roughly a 3% guaranteed return in about 5-10 years without an early withdrawal penalty? Essentially saving for larger purchases such as housing down payments, beds, cars, etc.

Lee3691 07-18-2013 12:44 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
If you can find 3% savings guaranteed, please let me know

AJF_41 07-18-2013 12:46 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
muni bonds!

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 12:51 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Buy an annuity!

edit: oh, hey adam. weird seeing you here.

Arby 07-18-2013 12:53 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
I think I read somewhere that like - 70% of Americans are living pay check to pay check. That gives me hope and makes me feel better about the money I am saving, but I still know Im not doing enough. Basically Im putting 3% of my paycheck into a 401k, I do have a mutual fund my dad set up for me years and years ago, and I have a bit of a "rainy day fund" too. I wish I was doing better tho.

unccrombie 07-18-2013 12:57 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arby (Post 14734759)
I think I read somewhere that like - 70% of Americans are living pay check to pay check. That gives me hope and makes me feel better about the money I am saving, but I still know Im not doing enough. Basically Im putting 3% of my paycheck into a 401k, I do have a mutual fund my dad set up for me years and years ago, and I have a bit of a "rainy day fund" too. I wish I was doing better tho.

how is that mutual fund holding up return wise? i've been looking at the general idea of them.

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 01:00 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
You do realize that mutual fund is a very broad term?

It's like saying I'm going to buy a car.

Check out KLGIX, it's managed by an ant.

Arby 07-18-2013 01:01 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 14734768)
how is that mutual fund holding up return wise? i've been looking at the general idea of them.


I wish I could give you more detail on it, but I dont pay a ton of attention to it. I couldnt really give you numbers or percentages. I just know it took a hit with the economy crash, but is slowly bouncing back.

Arby 07-18-2013 01:03 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734777)
You do realize that mutual fund is a very broad term?

It's like saying I'm going to buy a car.

Check out KLGIX, it's managed by an ant.

No I dont :lol :lol

unccrombie 07-18-2013 01:04 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734777)
You do realize that mutual fund is a very broad term?

It's like saying I'm going to buy a car.

Check out KLGIX, it's managed by an ant.

yeah, i know the types and such. hence why i asked

AJF_41 07-18-2013 01:04 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734777)
You do realize that mutual fund is a very broad term?

It's like saying I'm going to buy a car.

Check out KLGIX, it's managed by an ant.

:lol :lol :lol

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 01:10 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 14734787)
yeah, i know the types and such. hence why i asked

You're probably better off looking at ETF's, you'll understand the return better and it will be cheaper to own. Or not investing at all.

UNC41 07-18-2013 01:12 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
The best savings tool I have is my ESPP. Every six months, we get to purchase company stock at a 15% discount of the stock price of the first day or last day of the period, whichever is low. I put 10% of my post-tax pay into that. When I sell right away it nets me a minimum of a 115% return. I sold the stock from the first half of 2013 earlier today at a 165% return. Not bad for less than seven months.

After selling, I usually split the money between a Roth, mutual funds and student loans. The next year and a half will include wedding fund though.

scrock25 07-18-2013 01:14 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Be sure that you have 20% down and $50k liquid cash or else you can't afford it.

Er.... sorry, wrong thread.

unccrombie 07-18-2013 01:16 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scrock25 (Post 14734819)
Be sure that you have 20% down and $50k liquid cash or else you can't afford it.

Er.... sorry, wrong thread.

does velveeta liquid gold count?

AJF_41 07-18-2013 01:19 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UNC41 (Post 14734809)
The best savings tool I have is my ESPP. Every six months, we get to purchase company stock at a 15% discount of the stock price of the first day or last day of the period, whichever is low. I put 10% of my post-tax pay into that. When I sell right away it nets me a minimum of a 115% return. I sold the stock from the first half of 2013 earlier today at a 165% return. Not bad for less than seven months.

After selling, I usually split the money between a Roth, mutual funds and student loans. The next year and a half will include wedding fund though.

what company do you work for?
i think you mean minimum 15% return...not 115% return..

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 01:24 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
ESPP plans are not as good as advertised... usually.

The 15% discount is taxed as ordinary income and the purchase date for employees usually coincides with the equity bonus dates for the exectuives which often seems to go with a bump in the stock price.

unccrombie 07-18-2013 01:26 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734861)
ESPP plans are not as good as advertised... usually.

The 15% discount is taxed as ordinary income and the purchase date for employees usually coincides with the equity bonus dates for the exectuives which often seems to go with a bump in the stock price.

i know ours is quarterly

UNC41 07-18-2013 01:28 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AJF_41 (Post 14734838)
what company do you work for?
i think you mean minimum 15% return...not 115% return..

Optum.

And yeah, 15% return. When I sell it's at 115% what I paid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734861)
ESPP plans are not as good as advertised... usually.

The 15% discount is taxed as ordinary income and the purchase date for employees usually coincides with the equity bonus dates for the exectuives which often seems to go with a bump in the stock price.

Even taxed as ordinary income, I get a guaranteed six-month return that is much higher than I can get elsewhere.

Arby 07-18-2013 01:35 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734777)
You do realize that mutual fund is a very broad term?

It's like saying I'm going to buy a car.

Check out KLGIX, it's managed by an ant.


Not just any car. It's John Voight's car.

Lee3691 07-18-2013 01:36 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arby (Post 14734907)
Not just any car. It's John Voight's car.

The periodontist?

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 01:38 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UNC41 (Post 14734886)
Even taxed as ordinary income, I get a guaranteed six-month return that is much higher than I can get elsewhere.

This is not a promising post.

AJF_41 07-18-2013 01:39 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734916)
This is not a promising post.

either was this...because it's impossible.



Quote:

Originally Posted by UNC41 (Post 14734886)

When I sell it's at 115% what I paid.



AJF_41 07-18-2013 01:40 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
everybody's talking at me...i can't hear a word they're saying

Rebecca De Mornay 07-18-2013 01:40 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Basically by that logic if I buy a stock for $50 and sell it for $50 I've made 100%

woooooo!!

drinks on me tonight!

smokew11 07-18-2013 01:45 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
my wife and i just each opened up IRA's about 4 months ago. only putting in $125/month each right now, but its a start. Im almost 30 and she's 27, I wish we did this 5 years ago

7% of my paycheck goes toward PSERs and my company matched it 2 yrs ago, it went to 12% last year and this year the contribution is 16% :thumbsup

AJF_41 07-18-2013 01:46 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by smokew11 (Post 14734936)
my wife and i just each opened up IRA's about 4 months ago. only putting in $125/month each right now, but its a start. Im almost 30 and she's 27, I wish we did this 5 years ago

:thumbsup

smokew11 07-18-2013 01:57 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
with an initial $1500 to open the account and an 8% return rate, over 20 years, it comes out to about $100k each. I'll be 50 then, I don't plan on using it til 65 or so. I didn't calculate it out that far but I assume it'll probably be well over $300k each, which should (hopefully) be plenty to go along with our pensions

UNC41 07-18-2013 02:17 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14734916)
This is not a promising post.

If the stock is $45 on 1/1 and $35 on 6/31 then I get to purchase it at $29.75 and can sell immediately. The 115% may have been wrong, but I have yet to find a short-term investment with the combination of liquidity and risk (I can cash out what I'm putting away at any time with zero penalty) that offers a minimum 15% pre-tax return. Can you point me toward one?

smokew11 07-18-2013 02:23 PM

Re: The Investment Thread (help with savings, stocks, retirement funds, etc.)
 
i think they were just busting on you for the 115% remark. that aside, it sounds like you have a pretty good deal going. is there a limit to how much you can purchase? If not you should start throw fat stacks at it


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