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hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:24 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16717612)
Rangers certainly enjoy with MAF plays against them in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Y7hLhzbtw

(It is funny because I linked Haglin's goal....now I am sad).

Seriously though, I don't believe MAF is top 15 anymore. Definitely not top 10 and that is why a $6mil price tag is way too high.

Edit: I also love how you ended the last bold part. It was a clever rewording that actually says that MAF could easily be a bottom 15 starting goalie in the league :lol
MAF was great in that series dude

aeroshady 02-14-2017 12:24 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16717612)
Rangers certainly enjoy with MAF plays against them in the playoffs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Y7hLhzbtw

(It is funny because I linked Haglin's goal....now I am sad).

Seriously though, I don't believe MAF is top 15 anymore. Definitely not top 10 and that is why a $6mil price tag is way too high.

Edit: I also love how you ended the last bold part. It was a clever rewording that actually says that MAF could easily be a bottom 15 starting goalie in the league :lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717616)
he's not suited to be a backup. he's not the type of guy that can play 1 game every 2 weeks and perform at a high level. he needs to go start somewhere. his athleticism is still off the charts and people forget that he was the BEST player on the ice for the Pens in the playoffs between 2013-2015. People forget that because everyone else melted around him in those years.

and i agree with the 10-12 ahead of him, but that's about it. like i said, approx. half the league would have him starting tomorrow if possible. and the price tag is reasonable IMO for a middle of the pack starting goalie with TONS of playoff experience.

just my .02...he'd be great on a team where he's "the guy" and can just play.

Fair enough to your above post. He played well the year the Rangers won 4-1 in the first round.

Dramageek 02-14-2017 12:25 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717616)
he's not suited to be a backup. he's not the type of guy that can play 1 game every 2 weeks and perform at a high level. he needs to go start somewhere. his athleticism is still off the charts and people forget that he was the BEST player on the ice for the Pens in the playoffs between 2013-2015. People forget that because everyone else melted around him in those years.

and i agree with the 10-12 ahead of him, but that's about it. like i said, approx. half the league would have him starting tomorrow if possible. and the price tag is reasonable IMO for a middle of the pack starting goalie with TONS of playoff experience.

just my .02...he'd be great on a team where he's "the guy" and can just play.
And to add to this, last year I would say he was the primary reason the Pens weren't in too deep of a hole when Sullivan took over. He flat out stole some games early in the season. If he doesn't get hurt near the end of the season, he's the starter in the playoffs.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:25 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
that's not a rewording either. MAF is easily a bottom 15 starting goalie, easily. could even challenge for a top 10 spot in some places. and i think the price tag is reasonable considering the market.

i'm not calling him Brodeur or anything, i'm just saying he's still an asset at a reasonable price. i don't think that's a crazy sentiment.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:27 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 16717625)
And to add to this, last year I would say he was the primary reason the Pens weren't in too deep of a hole when Sullivan took over. He flat out stole some games early in the season. If he doesn't get hurt near the end of the season, he's the starter in the playoffs.
absolutely 100% correct

he was having a Vezina caliber season until the injury. he kept the Pens in the playoff picture for the 1st half of the season.

TMoore4075 02-14-2017 12:30 PM
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The thing with MAF, who will give up the assets to get him and pay his salary? Teams might not want to give all that up.

TheLastPig 02-14-2017 12:30 PM
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Yeah you guys are nuts if you think MAF in a starting spot isn't a top 15 goalie. The guy was incredible just last season. :lol

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16717639)
The thing with MAF, who will give up the assets to get him and pay his salary? Teams might not want to give all that up.
now that's a valid discussion point. i think the Penguins could package him with Pouliot or a pick and make it work with the right team.

however, the Pens will not pick up any of his salary. that's one thing i'm fairly certain of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16717640)
Yeah you guys are nuts if you think MAF in a starting spot isn't a top 15 goalie. The guy was incredible just last season. :lol
he got this stigma after the 2012 playoffs and it never went away. He's seriously been unbelievable since 2013. their most consistent player by far when you take playoffs into account.

fonzz41 02-14-2017 12:36 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717616)
he's not suited to be a backup. he's not the type of guy that can play 1 game every 2 weeks and perform at a high level. he needs to go start somewhere. his athleticism is still off the charts and people forget that he was the BEST player on the ice for the Pens in the playoffs between 2013-2015. People forget that because everyone else melted around him in those years.

and i agree with the 10-12 ahead of him, but that's about it. like i said, approx. half the league would have him starting tomorrow if possible. and the price tag is reasonable IMO for a middle of the pack starting goalie with TONS of playoff experience.

just my .02...he'd be great on a team where he's "the guy" and can just play.
This will surprise you, but I agree with you. MAF can still be a very good goalie in this league, even at his price tag.

Send him to Philly and watch the world end. :lol

barbogast 02-14-2017 12:37 PM
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I'm here for the Shartstakes

lockman21 02-14-2017 12:38 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16717640)
Yeah you guys are nuts if you think MAF in a starting spot isn't a top 15 goalie. The guy was incredible just last season. :lol
I don't think it's all that crazy. It's not often you see a "top 15" goalie lose his starting spot to a prospect and then become a trade candidate. Especially at 32/33 years old.

Then you combine that he has a .904 SV% and 3+ GAA, it's not that unbelievable.

Teams will be looking at the same thing. It's why Pitt is in a tough spot with him. I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere, but his situation is probably pretty similar to what Ryan Miller was facing a couple years ago. Really athletic goalie that has a history of being one of the best in the league, and he somehow (for whatever reasons) finds himself on the trading block. Except this time there are MULTIPLE available options (from Howard to Darling to Ward, etc. that I named above) available this offseason. It's a buyers market with goalies.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:39 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16717652)
This will surprise you, but I agree with you. MAF can still be a very good goalie in this league, even at his price tag.

Send him to Philly and watch the world end. :lol
i would never watch hockey again. MAF is my favorite Penguin.

Jagr using the Pens as leverage to sing with Philly was bad enough, but MAF in orange?

no...no....no...fucking no.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:40 PM
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if i have to pick between Howard, Darling, Ward and MAF, i'm taking MAF every single time.

TheLastPig 02-14-2017 12:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717648)
now that's a valid discussion point. i think the Penguins could package him with Pouliot or a pick and make it work with the right team.

however, the Pens will not pick up any of his salary. that's one thing i'm fairly certain of.



he got this stigma after the 2012 playoffs and it never went away. He's seriously been unbelievable since 2013. their most consistent player by far when you take playoffs into account.
He 100% carried the Pens from the start of the season into mid January last year. Decent chance they miss the playoffs without him playing as well as he was.

TheLastPig 02-14-2017 12:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16717658)
I don't think it's all that crazy. It's not often you see a "top 15" goalie lose his starting spot to a prospect and then become a trade candidate. Especially at 32/33 years old.

Then you combine that he has a .904 SV% and 3+ GAA, it's not that unbelievable.

Teams will be looking at the same thing. It's why Pitt is in a tough spot with him. I'm sure he'll find a spot somewhere, but his situation is probably pretty similar to what Ryan Miller was facing a couple years ago. Really athletic goalie that has a history of being one of the best in the league, and he somehow (for whatever reasons) finds himself on the trading block. Except this time there are MULTIPLE available options (from Howard to Darling to Ward, etc. that I named above) available this offseason. It's a buyers market with goalies.
I don't disagree with all of that. But if you've watched MAF play with any regularity in the past 4-5 years, he is a guy that when he plays more, he plays better, like way better. That's why his numbers don't look great this year.

He will go to another team and have at least 3 very good seasons.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:46 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16717678)
I don't disagree with all of that. But if you've watched MAF play with any regularity in the past 4-5 years, he is a guy that when he plays more, he plays better, like way better. That's why his numbers don't look great this year.

He will go to another team and have at least 3 very good seasons.
:thumbsup:thumbsup

TMoore4075 02-14-2017 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717667)
if i have to pick between Howard, Darling, Ward and MAF, i'm taking MAF every single time.
I think most teams would but if we're talking Vegas, those guys cost nothing but salary.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:50 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16717689)
I think most teams would but if we're talking Vegas, those guys cost nothing but salary.
true

it's going to be a crazy offseason

barbogast 02-14-2017 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717694)
true

it's going to be a crazy offseason
This is very true. It feels like no matter who your team is, something interesting will shake out. There's a lot to keep an eye on.

If only this year's draft class was more exciting

TMoore4075 02-14-2017 12:55 PM
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I think we're gonna see a lot of shit between last game of the finals and the expansion draft as teams try to unload guys they think they'll lose to Vegas. 4th round pick will sound good for a guy you might lose.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 12:59 PM
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what exactly is the time line on all of this? i'm googling but not finding definitive dates

anyone know when the rookie draft, expansion draft and free agency all start? and in what order?

TMoore4075 02-14-2017 01:05 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717705)
what exactly is the time line on all of this? i'm googling but not finding definitive dates

anyone know when the rookie draft, expansion draft and free agency all start? and in what order?
I saw it somewhere so will look for dates but the order goes expansion draft, rookie draft and then UFA.

edit: found Expansion draft June 18–20 and rookie June 23-24.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16717711)
I saw it somewhere so will look for dates but the order goes expansion draft, rookie draft and then UFA.
ok that helps

and makes sense when i think about it

Lcsulla 02-14-2017 01:40 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16717589)
Antti Niemi has "a ring".
He certainly earned that though, in 2010 he came out of seemingly nowhere to win the starting job midseason by outplaying Huet and just kept right on playing great until Toews held that cup over his head in Philly!

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717667)
if i have to pick between Howard, Darling, Ward and MAF, i'm taking MAF every single time.
Loads of talent in those guys you mentioned. I think any one of them could be a starter for over half the teams in the NHL. It sort of sucks for me to know that Chicago is likely not going to have Darling back next year since he will be a UFA and has certainly earned his payday. Always tough when a team has two damn good goalies and one has to go for cap reasons.

hailtopitt 02-14-2017 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16717752)
Loads of talent in those guys you mentioned. I think any one of them could be a starter for over half the teams in the NHL. It sort of sucks for me to know that Chicago is likely not going to have Darling back next year since he will be a UFA and has certainly earned his payday. Always tough when a team has two damn good goalies and one has to go for cap reasons.
gotta love the salary cap!

~Crashintome89~ 02-14-2017 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16717661)
i would never watch hockey again. MAF is my favorite Penguin.

Jagr using the Pens as leverage to sing with Philly was bad enough, but MAF in orange?

no...no....no...fucking no.
I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago, how long is Fleury's contract and $$? I wouldn't mind taking a shot at him--I really think the Flyers are going to pull the trigger on Ben Bishop.

lockman21 02-14-2017 03:37 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16717889)
I was actually thinking about this a few weeks ago, how long is Fleury's contract and $$? I wouldn't mind taking a shot at him--I really think the Flyers are going to pull the trigger on Ben Bishop.
Two more years after this one at $5.75m

~Crashintome89~ 02-14-2017 03:43 PM
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At this point, I'm exhausted with the whole "goalie controversy" angle that gets played out in Philadelphia. It's the worst.

TMoore4075 02-14-2017 03:44 PM
Re: The NHL Thread (lolcaps)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16717907)
At this point, I'm exhausted with the whole "goalie controversy" angle that gets played out in Philadelphia. It's the worst.
Only been going on for.....20 years.

lockman21 02-14-2017 03:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16717907)
At this point, I'm exhausted with the whole "goalie controversy" angle that gets played out in Philadelphia. It's the worst.
Controversy is humangous big.


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