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lockman21 10-07-2016 01:38 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16605563)
That's what I'm saying. You see all these guys that were locks on NHL teams as early as last season who now can't crack a roster after managing to get just a tryout. Crazy.

And you're right, it's a combination of youth (the NHL is getting a lot faster) and managing the cap.

Cap is a huge part of it. Those in-between guys have their production (or 80-90% of it) more easily replaced by younger guys for half the cost.

Everyone is trying to follow the Blackhawks/Penguins model of signing your core "star" players, and then filling in holes elsewhere for cheap. Makes it hard for the fringe guys.

fonzz41 10-07-2016 01:42 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Thank goodness for the KHL giving all these guys employment, amirite?

But seriously, how bad would it suck to work your whole life towards becoming a professional hockey player, and then be out of a job by the time you're 30?

I get it, and I'm not saying it should be different, just the empathetic side of me feels for those guys.

And let's be honest, the Hawks/Pens way of doing it works. You gotta go with what works.

hailtopitt 10-07-2016 01:47 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
hell, if you make it to age 30 on a pro roster, you're still doing better than 90% of guys

i get that it still sucks, but staying hungry and humble can cure a lot of things (which is why hockey is awesome because you see that hunger more in hockey players than any other athletes IMO)

lockman21 10-07-2016 01:47 PM

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Oh, Matty, for sure. Totally agree.

Look what happened with Versteeg. Dude is 30. He put up 15 goals and 23 assists in 77 games last year. You'd think that would find him at least a $1.5-2m contract somewhere? Dude's on a PTO with the fuckin' Oilers.

~Crashintome89~ 10-07-2016 01:56 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
I wonder if there's going to be a trickle down effect of guys playing in AHL for a season, just to get the chance at a one-year deal the following season for a NHL team.

Lcsulla 10-07-2016 03:48 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16605429)




Duh.

(Yes, I have twins).

I assumed as much but hey, what can we expect from a Caps fan who thinks Jamie Benn is a center? :lol

~Crashintome89~ 10-07-2016 03:56 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Wow, I'm glad we're just retroactively taking my mistake and putting it on Brohan.

fonzz41 10-07-2016 04:02 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16605662)
I assumed as much but hey, what can we expect from a Caps fan who thinks Jamie Benn is a center? :lol

Don't you dare.

barbogast 10-07-2016 04:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16605668)
Wow, I'm glad we're just retroactively taking my mistake and putting it on Brohan.

I was gonna say.

And everyone knows Matty has like eleven wives.

Jamie, pull yourself together man.

lockman21 10-07-2016 04:21 PM

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wtf just happened

fonzz41 10-07-2016 04:22 PM

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8 wives, guys. It's only 8.

C'mon, I'm just one man here.

Lcsulla 10-07-2016 04:43 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16605678)
Don't you dare.

Meant Barbs, not you - was just kidding about the Benn part as well. :)

swordo84 10-07-2016 07:34 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Yakupov finally gone. F yeah.


Oh, went to Stl for a conditional pick.

TMoore4075 10-07-2016 07:42 PM

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Great use of a #1 by the Oilers.

lockman21 10-07-2016 07:53 PM

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Jesus Christ.

lockman21 10-07-2016 07:54 PM

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Yak essentially for a 3rd (or 2nd if he scores 15 or more goals).

barbogast 10-07-2016 08:39 PM

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Wow, Edmonton. Wow.

swordo84 10-07-2016 09:49 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16605928)
Wow, Edmonton. Wow.

They had to ditch him. I would have been happy to get a bag of pucks back. The new execs inherited the uselessness that was Yak. Terrible pick from day 1. He's been on the market a long time, and Edmonton got fair value back.

I'm very happy with the trade, just wish he wasn't drafted in the first place - that is what makes me angry.

lockman21 10-07-2016 09:56 PM

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I'd hardly call that fair value, but they did get something.

swordo84 10-07-2016 10:04 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16605991)
I'd hardly call that fair value, but they did get something.

Its clearly what the market dictated. If someone had offered something more substantial he would have been gone months ago.

You (not you specifically) need to stop looking at him as a #1 overall pick. He had no business getting that designation. Flawed, flawed draft choice. He should be looked at as what he actually is: A below average winger who MIGHT get 30 points in a season and someone who doesn't know what the word 'defense' means.

fonzz41 10-07-2016 10:23 PM

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Interested to see what he can do with Tarasenko.

That kind of "manufactured chemistry" rarely works, but who knows.

lockman21 10-08-2016 12:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 16606000)
Its clearly what the market dictated. If someone had offered something more substantial he would have been gone months ago.

You (not you specifically) need to stop looking at him as a #1 overall pick. He had no business getting that designation. Flawed, flawed draft choice. He should be looked at as what he actually is: A below average winger who MIGHT get 30 points in a season and someone who doesn't know what the word 'defense' means.

I'd be willing to bet he puts up somewhere in the 35-40 point range. Maybe even closer to 45.

salrx95 10-08-2016 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16605881)
Great use of a #1 by the Oilers.


Speaking of great uses of first round draft picks. Griffin Reinhart didn't make the Oilers and was sent down. Might go down as one of Garth's best deals when he traded him to Edm for the 16th and 33rd picks. Both kids Garth picked in 2015 might make the team or be one of the last cuts this weekend. Barzal and Beauvillier have both been real impressive. Might be a home run for Garth.

Almost there boys and girl. Just a few more days.

salrx95 10-08-2016 08:02 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 16604688)
Or does it!?!?!?!?

#havingbabyboy#2inFebruary

Congrats. So happy to only have boys, myself.

And as Matty said, this shit they call parenthood ain't getting any easier, either. Different age = different battles.

barbogast 10-08-2016 08:14 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 16605982)
They had to ditch him. I would have been happy to get a bag of pucks back. The new execs inherited the uselessness that was Yak. Terrible pick from day 1. He's been on the market a long time, and Edmonton got fair value back.

I'm very happy with the trade, just wish he wasn't drafted in the first place - that is what makes me angry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 16606000)
Its clearly what the market dictated. If someone had offered something more substantial he would have been gone months ago.

You (not you specifically) need to stop looking at him as a #1 overall pick. He had no business getting that designation. Flawed, flawed draft choice. He should be looked at as what he actually is: A below average winger who MIGHT get 30 points in a season and someone who doesn't know what the word 'defense' means.

I agree with all of this.

My comment was in regards to how poorly the Oilers have handled the last 5 or so years. So much missed opportunity.

~Crashintome89~ 10-08-2016 09:15 AM

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Yak didn't play in the World Cup, correct?

~Crashintome89~ 10-08-2016 09:16 AM

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It's also going to be pretty interesting to see him being coached by Ken Hitchcock too.

lockman21 10-08-2016 05:13 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
When are we drafting?

dmbetc 10-08-2016 05:19 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16606494)
When are we drafting?

Right now it says Mon 6:45pm (EST)

mr.MikeD 10-08-2016 06:46 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Drove past / under the new Rogers Place today. It's sweet, totally changed the face of that part of downtown.
Yak gone, I truly hope he does well elsewhere, great kid, not great hockey player. David Oconnor or what that kid is called new captain, no pressure, he'll do great though.


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