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hailtopitt 06-13-2013 09:47 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
doubt they get letang signed, can't justify 7 mil per for a defensemen that doesn't score as often as he should (because he can't hit the net and is terrible on the powerplay) and breaks down on his defensive responsibilties like he's playing in a beer league

hope i'm wrong, letang is still trendingup and probably will get even better, but i doubt he gets 7 million dollars beter

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 09:48 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14636938)
oh yeah I know but Letang and Orpik are two big names. You think they get them both signed? I'd rather be in their position with expiring contracts because then it gives you flexibility.

I'd probably say no to both. Orpik is older and not what he used to be. Letang will probably want too much and the pens can probably get some good pieces if they trade him. Plus the have some serious D depth thats close to ready.

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 09:52 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Malkin and Crosby make just over one million dollars a year more than Perry and Getzlaf

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 09:53 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14636952)
I'd probably say no to both. Orpik is older and not what he used to be. Letang will probably want too much and the pens can probably get some good pieces if they trade him. Plus the have some serious D depth thats close to ready.


too bad bylsma refused to give reasonable playing time to despres and bortuzzo, otherwise they would be ready as we speak

instead we had to watch engelland (who is ok in small doses), niskanen (regressed big time this year) and ancient eaton while they wastes away in wilkes-barre..or even worse, were healthy scratches

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 10:00 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14636952)
I'd probably say no to both. Orpik is older and not what he used to be. Letang will probably want too much and the pens can probably get some good pieces if they trade him. Plus the have some serious D depth thats close to ready.

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 14636964)
too bad bylsma refused to give reasonable playing time to despres and bortuzzo, otherwise they would be ready as we speak

instead we had to watch engelland (who is ok in small doses), niskanen (regressed big time this year) and ancient eaton while they wastes away in wilkes-barre..or even worse, were healthy scratches

Don't forget is mishandling of Bennett. Db is a dope

fonzz41 06-13-2013 10:23 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 14636772)
So it looks like my captain is not coming back. Not surprised at all. He was looking for too much money and we don't spend any. And, though he is strong on the PP, he was like a -22 and is a liability in his own end. We need to improve in our own end. He is now 35. I would rather resign him than replace him with a kid who is not as good but it's not a huge loss. Vis is a similar player.

JT becomes captain and keeps it til he retires in 2030. :)

Yeah, no doubt Tavares gets the 'C'. Well deserved, especially after the season he had and the growth he demonstrated.

Oh, and regarding Pens, I'm telling you... at least look into trading Malkin. My deal with Buffalo is still on the table...

TMoore4075 06-13-2013 10:27 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 14637074)
Yeah, no doubt Tavares gets the 'C'. Well deserved, especially after the season he had and the growth he demonstrated.

Oh, and regarding Pens, I'm telling you... at least look into trading Malkin. My deal with Buffalo is still on the table...

That salary is too low for the Sabres. I mean they gave Leino 4.5mil so Malkin is worth at least 12mil a year.

fonzz41 06-13-2013 10:29 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14637092)
That salary is too low for the Sabres. I mean they gave Leino 4.5mil so Malkin is worth at least 12mil a year.

:lol :thumbsup

They can always renegotiate!

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 10:29 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14636989)
Don't forget is mishandling of Bennett. Db is a dope

:lol i wouldn't go that far, but yea the whole bennett situation was terrible too

it's going to be a long off-season

lockman21 06-13-2013 10:34 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Horrible decision by the Pens.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 10:38 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14637118)
Horrible decision by the Pens.


which one? i lost count

lockman21 06-13-2013 10:47 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 14637135)
which one? i lost count

:lol Malkin. I mean...I don't know what they should or shouldn't have done with him, I'll be able to look more into it later (when the Cup Finals are over)...but between him and Crosby, that's an insane amount of money.

@russianmachine: The Penguins will spend 28.3% of their salary on two players that have missed 32.7% of the last four seasons

I mean, looking at the capgeek is scary. You need defenseman in this league, 4-5 quality defenseman...and the Pens situation at their blue line is terrifying. Having all that money tied up to 2 centers and ignoring your blue line is questionable in my mind.

fonzz41 06-13-2013 10:51 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14637173)
I mean, looking at the capgeek is scary. You need defenseman in this league, 4-5 quality defenseman...and the Pens situation at their blue line is terrifying. Having all that money tied up to 2 centers and ignoring your blue line is questionable in my mind.

It's the same mistake Feaster made in TB after they won their Cup, and it's the same mistake the Avs are still recovering from. Scary. Hopefully Shero pulls something off.

Roose13 06-13-2013 11:29 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Fucking Geno just got eleventy billion dollars to play hockey :lol:lol

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 11:33 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14637173)
:lol Malkin. I mean...I don't know what they should or shouldn't have done with him, I'll be able to look more into it later (when the Cup Finals are over)...but between him and Crosby, that's an insane amount of money.

@russianmachine: The Penguins will spend 28.3% of their salary on two players that have missed 32.7% of the last four seasons

I mean, looking at the capgeek is scary. You need defenseman in this league, 4-5 quality defenseman...and the Pens situation at their blue line is terrifying. Having all that money tied up to 2 centers and ignoring your blue line is questionable in my mind.


well it's tough not to sign a player of Geno's skill level so i can't be too upset with the signing. And they definitely aren;t ignoring the blue line, they are just banking on their young depth and talent to get the job done, hopefully they can...it's just always scary going into a season with so many unknowns

but i will agree, their cap situation is fucked if they wanna sign letang, dupuis, cooke etc...another day in the life

Dramageek 06-13-2013 11:35 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14637173)
:lol Malkin. I mean...I don't know what they should or shouldn't have done with him, I'll be able to look more into it later (when the Cup Finals are over)...but between him and Crosby, that's an insane amount of money.

@russianmachine: The Penguins will spend 28.3% of their salary on two players that have missed 32.7% of the last four seasons

I mean, looking at the capgeek is scary. You need defenseman in this league, 4-5 quality defenseman...and the Pens situation at their blue line is terrifying. Having all that money tied up to 2 centers and ignoring your blue line is questionable in my mind.

This is spot on. But I think the Pens have the impression that they have drafted a good number of quality defensemen who should be ready to go in the not too distant future (but certainly not immediately, and Joe Morrow will likely be awesome elsewhere). Letang's skills at the blue are questionable at best. And the Pens likely believe they have good quality, young and affordable talent at the blue line forthcoming. To that end, Disco NEEDS to improve his handling of skilled younger players. His handling of Despres has been a travesty. He has a weakness for "try-hard" guys like Engellend and Tanner Glass who work their tails off but just aren't very good. He consistently plays them over skilled young players who may actually have, you know, more skill and ability despite their inexperience.

I don't completely dislike the decision because it's hard to let Malkin go. But yes, he and Sid need to stay healthy now because if the Pens have over a quarter of their salary in the press box, they are fucked.

^ H2P just said what I said more succinctly. And I really hope they keep Duper. He has expressed interest in staying for somewhat less than his true value, but we will see when the big figures start flying around. Letang and Cooke can go for all I care.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 11:43 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
yea, the lack of "readiness" in despres and bennett falls squarely on bylsma's shoulders, completely mishandled...disco also needs to learn how to make better in-game adjustments, their stubborness is their pitfall

Dramageek 06-13-2013 11:52 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 14637419)
yea, the lack of "readiness" in despres and bennett falls squarely on bylsma's shoulders, completely mishandled...disco also needs to learn how to make better in-game adjustments, their stubborness is their pitfall

His stubbornness is my biggest pet peeve. I kept thinking during the Boston series, "They are going to score sometime, right?!" Nope! And I kept thinking they would try a different strategy, but they never did. And the thing is, I think for a lot of the Boston series outside of game 2, the Pens played how Bylsma wanted them to, but Boston figured out how to prevent them scoring. And it never seemed to occur to Disco that what he wanted to do wasn't working. I mean, look at the game last night. For the first two periods, Boston seemed to be doing to Chicago what they did to Pittsburgh. Then the Hawks figured it out! Get more traffic in front of the net and get some bouncing picks past Rask.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 11:57 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 14637451)
His stubbornness is my biggest pet peeve. I kept thinking during the Boston series, "They are going to score sometime, right?!" Nope! And I kept thinking they would try a different strategy, but they never did. And the thing is, I think for a lot of the Boston series outside of game 2, the Pens played how Bylsma wanted them to, but Boston figured out how to prevent them scoring. And it never seemed to occur to Disco that what he wanted to do wasn't working. I mean, look at the game last night. For the first two periods, Boston seemed to be doing to Chicago what they did to Pittsburgh. Then the Hawks figured it out! Get more traffic in front of the net and get some bouncing picks past Rask.


yep, exactly...the 2-line stretch pass really opens up the ice and the pens are better than any team in the league at running that type of breakout, but boston was better at stopping it

and even though the pens were the superior team phyically in the boston series, they refused to dump & chase and create traffic, rather they kept forcing the stretch passes, which in turn resulted in too many turnovers and a vulnerable defense (although letang was shit in that series, period)

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 12:21 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
The Pens have been paying Crosby and Malkin this same amount of money for the last 5 years now. They'll be fine.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 12:22 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14637534)
The Pens have been paying Crosby and Malkin this same amount of money for the last 5 years now. They'll be fine.


well the salary cap decreases before it increases, so that's more of a problem than the actual contract amounts

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 12:34 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 14637451)
His stubbornness is my biggest pet peeve. I kept thinking during the Boston series, "They are going to score sometime, right?!" Nope! And I kept thinking they would try a different strategy, but they never did. And the thing is, I think for a lot of the Boston series outside of game 2, the Pens played how Bylsma wanted them to, but Boston figured out how to prevent them scoring. And it never seemed to occur to Disco that what he wanted to do wasn't working. I mean, look at the game last night. For the first two periods, Boston seemed to be doing to Chicago what they did to Pittsburgh. Then the Hawks figured it out! Get more traffic in front of the net and get some bouncing picks past Rask.

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 14637465)
yep, exactly...the 2-line stretch pass really opens up the ice and the pens are better than any team in the league at running that type of breakout, but boston was better at stopping it

and even though the pens were the superior team phyically in the boston series, they refused to dump & chase and create traffic, rather they kept forcing the stretch passes, which in turn resulted in too many turnovers and a vulnerable defense (although letang was shit in that series, period)

I made my feelings known about this in the other thread but, you have home ice, use it! No line matching at all. You acquire a hof rw, and put him on the left? Then you take that same guy off the pp when its clicking at 33%. They didnt score again. Just bad coaching. Hope he improves.

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 12:35 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 14637539)
well the salary cap decreases before it increases, so that's more of a problem than the actual contract amounts

I'd bet it increases again soon. And they paid them this amount when the caps been lower.

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~Crashintome89~ 06-13-2013 12:36 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I hope the Pens let Letang walk. I'd love him on the Flyers.

TMoore4075 06-13-2013 12:38 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Yeah I'm not really sure why the Pens got Iggy. He's a RW who is used to 1st line minutes. You put him on the left of the 3rd line and not a lot of PP time. The guy can still play, although he's not the 2003/04 Iggy, and they seemed to mismanage him.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 12:40 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
letang is a good fit on any team, he's an all-world defensman, but is he worth $7 million per year? that's the question

TMoore4075 06-13-2013 12:41 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I dunno if he's worth it but he's gonna get it.

hailtopitt 06-13-2013 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14637603)
I dunno if he's worth it but he's gonna get it.


no doubt about it

bradshaw06 06-13-2013 12:45 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14637588)
Yeah I'm not really sure why the Pens got Iggy. He's a RW who is used to 1st line minutes. You put him on the left of the 3rd line and not a lot of PP time. The guy can still play, although he's not the 2003/04 Iggy, and they seemed to mismanage him.

Funny thing is, he was a ppg player still, and when they did have him at rw for two games, he was great. He played the pp up until halfway through the ott series, as soon as he was off it, it took a nosedive.

fonzz41 06-13-2013 12:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14637588)
Yeah I'm not really sure why the Pens got Iggy. He's a RW who is used to 1st line minutes. You put him on the left of the 3rd line and not a lot of PP time. The guy can still play, although he's not the 2003/04 Iggy, and they seemed to mismanage him.

In hindsight, yes this makes perfect sense. But the idea of it sure was a good one. Get a weathered, experienced former captain on your team to show the young guys how to sacrifice. Play him with a player who he had success with at the Olympics. Should've been perfect.... on paper. But man, what a disaster.


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