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Hippononymous 08-16-2018 03:19 PM

My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Let me start by saying I love DMB. I've been to 25-ish shows through the years (including two this summer) and will continue going to shows as long as they keep playing them. That said, I'm one of those obnoxious fans who can't help but rank their albums all the time. Last night, as I flipped through my phone trying to decide what I wanted to listen to, I realized I hadn't really listened through Come Tomorrow since the week of its release. So I listened to it again, and... I don't know. It just seems *forgettable*. This got me wondering where it fits in the grand scheme of their discography.

Before Come Tomorrow, I think Stand Up was pretty widely considered to be the weakest DMB album. It came at a weird time for the band, had an odd sound, and just failed to measure up. This is my case for revisiting that designation. Two things have happened to warrant another look: (1) the release of a new album, and (2) Stand Up has aged well, in my opinion. There's no good metric for this, of course. It's all completely subjective. But I got the idea of going through, song by song, head to head--each of Stand Up and Come Tomorrow has 14 tracks (according to my very official Apple Music downloads). So, why not?

Track 1: Dreamgirl vs. Samurai Cop. This one isn't even close for me. Dreamgirl is... boring. Winner: Samurai Cop.
Track 2: Old Dirt Hill vs. Can't Stop. I like what they did with Can't Stop. I like ODH too. Close, but Winner: Can't Stop.
Track 3: Stand Up vs. Here on Out. Stand Up can be pretty dynamic live, but I'm looking at studio. Winner: Here on Out.
Track 4: American Baby Intro vs. That Girl is You. Again, ABI might have the live edge, but Winner: That Girl is You.
Track 5: American Baby vs. She. I am not a fan of She. Too loud, too harsh, too simple. Winner: American Baby.
Track 6: Smooth Rider vs. Idea of You. IOY was a missed opportunity. But it still pulls this one out. Winner: IOY.
Track 7: Everybody Wake Up vs. Virginia in the Rain. VITR is my favorite track on CT. Winner: VITR.
Track 8: Out of My Hands vs. Again and Again. Hate me all you want, but Winner: Out of My Hands
Track 9: Hello Again vs. bkbkdkdkbkdkdkdbkddd. Fun jams, but substance wins. Winner: Hello Again.
Track 10: Louisiana Bayou vs. Black and Blue Bird. B&BB is probably the most DMB song on CT. Winner: B&BB.
Track 11: Stolen Away vs. Come On Come On. Not a fan of either. If I had to pick one, Winner: Come On Come On.
Track 12: You Might Die Trying vs. Do You Remember. YMDT. By a mile. Winner: You Might Die Trying.
Track 13: Steady As We Go vs. Come Tomorrow. Again, both weak. Winner: Steady As We Go.
Track 14: Hunger for the Great Light vs. When I'm Weary. Very different ways to end an album. Winner: Hunger.

So, by my count, that's 8-6 in favor of Come Tomorrow. But what about peaks and valleys? Best song on each? Worst song? If I were to rank these:

Best Song: You Might Die Trying vs. Virginia in the Rain. Give me You Might Die Trying.
Worst Song: Dreamgirl vs. When I'm Weary. Are we really doing this? Dreamgirl.

Finally, just looking at these, Stand Up (the album) has far better live material than Come Tomorrow (the album). For many of us, that's more important.

So there we have it. Maybe I'll change my mind about this. But at this point, I'm calling Come Tomorrow DMB's weakest work. Congratulations, all you closet Stand Up fans! Your time has come!

Flame away. :trap

*edited for formatting

jjr4884 08-16-2018 04:38 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Do you have a job?

Edit: or a girlfriend/boyfriend who likes having sexual intercourse?

crawfish 08-16-2018 04:53 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
You have too much time on your hands..

YankeesDMB41 08-16-2018 07:27 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippononymous (Post 17226002)
Flame away. :trap


Looks like you got your wish

Hippononymous 08-17-2018 09:58 AM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YankeesDMB41 (Post 17226233)
Looks like you got your wish

I usually do. I especially like the part where apparently if you have a partner who enjoys sex, you NEVER do ANYTHING ELSE besides sex.

Married, by the way. And at work. Just slacking off. :monkey

Madnana 08-17-2018 10:09 AM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hippononymous (Post 17226526)
Just slacking off. :monkey

Better than whacking off, amiright?

dmbnut21 08-17-2018 10:39 AM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Out of My Hands is better than Again and Again?

This is also a really odd way to rank an album. Why is this simply Song 1 versus Song 1? Take all of the songs and rank them 1-28. My guess is you end up lopsided towards CT because 90% of the songs on Stand Up are trash and the only good song off the album was written before they went into the studio (and the studio version still sucked).

Cptn. Monkeyman 08-17-2018 01:57 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbnut21 (Post 17226569)
Out of My Hands is better than Again and Again?

This is also a really odd way to rank an album. Why is this simply Song 1 versus Song 1? Take all of the songs and rank them 1-28. My guess is you end up lopsided towards CT because 90% of the songs on Stand Up are trash and the only good song off the album was written before they went into the studio (and the studio version still sucked).

Agreed. This is not the way your rank an album. You need a ranking system so you can judge all of the songs as a whole, not just 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, etc

Hippononymous 08-17-2018 04:34 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
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Originally Posted by Cptn. Monkeyman (Post 17226889)
Agreed. This is not the way your rank an album. You need a ranking system so you can judge all of the songs as a whole, not just 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, etc

Which is why I also put best song vs. best song, worst song vs. worst song, and considered general quality of live performances.

In other words, my opinion isn't based solely on 1 v 1, 2 v 2, etc. If it were, CT would be the better album. It was just an interesting way to look at it, I thought, because of the equal number of songs.

I'm not surprised by the responses, though I still can't tell if they're stemming from love of Come Tomorrow or deep-seated hatred of Stand Up. If the latter, I wonder why it's okay to hate that album but not another album.

drakan 08-17-2018 04:35 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
The weakest album is Everyday. It's not even close.

Hippononymous 08-17-2018 04:48 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17227153)
The weakest album is Everyday. It's not even close.

Interesting. I actually rather like Everyday, with the exception of Angel and Sleep to Dream Her... So Right, If I Had It All, What You Are, and Fool to Think are all top quartile songs in my book.

LetYouDown22 08-17-2018 09:39 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
I respect your opinion, OP. Again and Again is one of my favorite studio tracks they've ever done. Has really hit home for me. So we couldn't be further off from an opinion standpoint, but that's what this site is for! Cheers.

pigsmarching8 08-17-2018 09:48 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LetYouDown22 (Post 17227292)
I respect your opinion, OP. Again and Again is one of my favorite studio tracks they've ever done. Has really hit home for me. So we couldn't be further off from an opinion standpoint, but that's what this site is for! Cheers.


Couldn't agree more. I LOVE this studio version!

Julia Roberts 08-18-2018 01:14 AM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17227153)
The weakest album is Everyday. It's not even close.

This guy DMBs

drakan 08-18-2018 02:11 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Julia Roberts (Post 17227340)
This guy DMBs

I wish Musk had put that album into the frunk of the Tesla he launched into space.

DC Greg 08-20-2018 03:40 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
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Originally Posted by Hippononymous (Post 17227170)
Interesting. I actually rather like Everyday, with the exception of Angel and Sleep to Dream Her... So Right, If I Had It All, What You Are, and Fool to Think are all top quartile songs in my book.

I agree that Everyday has some good tracks, and it's probably even a better overall album than Stand Up or Come Tomorrow. But it's always going to represent the moment that DMB sold out to many fans, and that will always make it the absolute worst for some. A lot of people moved on from following the band for good after the circumstances surrounding how that album came to be.

Hippononymous 08-20-2018 03:42 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LetYouDown22 (Post 17227292)
I respect your opinion, OP. Again and Again is one of my favorite studio tracks they've ever done. Has really hit home for me. So we couldn't be further off from an opinion standpoint, but that's what this site is for! Cheers.

Thanks for the respectful comment. I guess I just don't it with Again and Again. I'll try listening to it... again. :haha

TheLastPig 08-20-2018 03:46 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17227153)
The weakest album is Everyday. It's not even close.

this is so incredibly wrong :lol

Bmwm3oz 08-20-2018 05:25 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jjr4884 (Post 17226100)
Do you have a job?

Edit: or a girlfriend/boyfriend who likes having sexual intercourse?

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawfish (Post 17226117)
You have too much time on your hands..


OP has 33 posts in six years ish.. :lol. You guys are ridiculous

drakan 08-20-2018 06:28 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17228366)
this is so incredibly wrong :lol

They hardly play anything off that album. Some of the worst songs they've ever written are on that album. Stand Up is miles better than Everyday and Stand Up is average. Certainly a disappointment after the albums(minus ED) that came before it.

Doofie27 08-20-2018 07:31 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17228544)
They hardly play anything off that album. Some of the worst songs they've ever written are on that album. Stand Up is miles better than Everyday and Stand Up is average. Certainly a disappointment after the albums(minus ED) that came before it.

Subjective and all that, but ED has: Everyday, So Right, Fool to Think, When the World Ends, What You Are, The Space Between.... Those are all songs that are generally better received in concert and blow the shitshow that is Stand Up out of the water.

How can you say that a fucking drum machine on an album is better than an album with the actual Carter Beauford?

Madnana 08-20-2018 09:03 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
I'm pretty sure the "actual Carter Beauford" is on Stand Up as well.:)

drakan 08-20-2018 10:24 PM

Re: My case for Come Tomorrow being the weakest DMB album
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doofie27 (Post 17228613)
Subjective and all that, but ED has: Everyday, So Right, Fool to Think, When the World Ends, What You Are, The Space Between.... Those are all songs that are generally better received in concert and blow the shitshow that is Stand Up out of the water.

How can you say that a fucking drum machine on an album is better than an album with the actual Carter Beauford?

In the grand scheme I don't care if Carter is on an album if another one really sucks.

Most of those songs are average at best. Everyday is ok live but I liked #36 better. There are 4 or 5 songs on ED that are some of the worst they've ever written. Stand up has some songs that are salvageable especially when played live.


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