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Rebecca De Mornay 03-07-2014 11:50 AM
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that's cool, yeah i was at game 4 that year. at the time i was bummed but it was one of my favorite hockey experiences looking back at it, nobody expected them to win that series.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15175708)
The ass kicking the Wings gave the Jackets was...eh. Game 4 was exicting though. The best is when you win a series you don't expect. I wasn't sure what the Wings were gonna do in 2007. Had only been past round 1 once since winning it all in 2002, so expectations were low. Thought they could lose to Calgary but won, and was exciting 6 games. Then really didn't expect them to beat the Sharks and they found ways in that series.

On the flip side, losing when you should win, really sucks.
i believe im the resident expert in this category

~Crashintome89~ 03-07-2014 11:56 AM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
lollololololololz 2012 ecqf, am i rite?

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15175747)
lollololololololz 2012 ecqf, am i rite?
you are absolutely right

even if the pens won that series i still would've hated it

that wasn't even hockey

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15175715)
i believe im the resident expert in this category
Well with how long the Wings have been in the playoffs, they've experience it quite a bit. 1994 and 2006 were awful. I wasn't following it as much in 93 but that blew terribly too. 2-0 series lead, goes to game 7 and they have a lead late and the Leafs score and then win in ot. Others, while disappointing, weren't bad. 2001 they were the 2nd seed and lost in round 1 but they were missing Shanny and Stevie and other guys playing hurt.

For the Pens, I remember 1998 the most, losing to the Habs. Pens went the other way the next year, being the upsetter.

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 12:31 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
TSN had a video up, can't believe it's been 10 years since the Bertuzzi/Moore incident. What a terrible black eye for the NHL.

bonzo48280 03-07-2014 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15175689)
what does it feel like to win a stanley cup playoff game guys?

It's much fun

bonzo48280 03-07-2014 12:48 PM
Removing the finals, 2010 against SJ, 2010 against Vancouver, and 2013 against Detroit are some of my favorites. Sweeping SJ was uh-mazing.

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15175938)
Removing the finals, 2010 against SJ, 2010 against Vancouver, and 2013 against Detroit are some of my favorites. Sweeping SJ was uh-mazing.
Yeah a finals win is too easy. Wings beating the Avs in 97 still ranks higher for me, at least emotionally, than any Cup. So many things went into that. 2007 beating the Sharks was great too. They were 40 seconds away from being down 3-1 but instead won the series in 6. I would have thought 2009 against Vancouver would be up there too. Hawks were what a few minutes away from being down 3-1 themselves weren't they?

fonzz41 03-07-2014 01:02 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15175860)
TSN had a video up, can't believe it's been 10 years since the Bertuzzi/Moore incident. What a terrible black eye for the NHL.
I was in Brazil at the time and my dad sent me the article. I couldn't believe it. Bertuzzi was at the peak of his career at the time and never truly recovered. Worse though for Moore, who had barely started his.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15175805)
Well with how long the Wings have been in the playoffs, they've experience it quite a bit. 1994 and 2006 were awful. I wasn't following it as much in 93 but that blew terribly too. 2-0 series lead, goes to game 7 and they have a lead late and the Leafs score and then win in ot. Others, while disappointing, weren't bad. 2001 they were the 2nd seed and lost in round 1 but they were missing Shanny and Stevie and other guys playing hurt.

For the Pens, I remember 1998 the most, losing to the Habs. Pens went the other way the next year, being the upsetter.
yep

still, nothing compares to the leafs blowing it against the bruins :lol

never seen anything like that

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15175986)
I was in Brazil at the time and my dad sent me the article. I couldn't believe it. Bertuzzi was at the peak of his career at the time and never truly recovered. Worse though for Moore, who had barely started his.
The whole situation is bad all around. It goes to show the bad side of the "culture of hockey." The video on TSN, the reporter said he remembered talking to a Canucks on the team who said, if Moore thought by fighting Matt Cooke, ended it, he's got another thing coming, or something close to that. It should have ended it. Yes he hit Naslund, was a hit to the head looking back, but Moore fought and it should be done. He didn't need to get his head ripped off, which is what the Canucks seemed to want. I only know the Bert today, and he seems like a great dude to have in the locker room, and I have a feeling when he retires he might stick around with the team. Too bad his career will forever be remembered for this. And for Moore, besides his awesome last name, he'll never get to play again.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15176103)
I only know the Bert today, and he seems like a great dude to have in the locker room, and I have a feeling when he retires he might stick around with the team. Too bad his career will forever be remembered for this.
fuck that, his whole career should be remembered for that, he's a coward

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 01:51 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15176132)
fuck that, his whole career should be remembered for that, he's a coward
Not saying it's ok, but his emotion, hatred and the whole team wanting to kill Steve Moore for that hit, took over and he did something very stupid. If he wouldn't have, somebody else on that team would have. He's not the only guy to ever do something like that. Look at what Shawn Thornton did just this year. Hell your boy Crosby was sucker punching a guy who was being held by one of his teammates. These guys get so jacked up and then get their coaches wanting to get revenge too, the shit hits the fan. Crawford was stoking the fire for god's sake. That's the last thing that team needed. A lot of that is the culture that seems to be ok. Revenge at all costs. When we're losing, go ahead and try to hurt a team late in the game. They think that's all ok, and then when something like this happens they sit back and wonder why or how it could have happened.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15176165)
Not saying it's ok, but his emotion, hatred and the whole team wanting to kill Steve Moore for that hit, took over and he did something very stupid. If he wouldn't have, somebody else on that team would have. He's not the only guy to ever do something like that. Look at what Shawn Thornton did just this year. Hell your boy Crosby was sucker punching a guy who was being held by one of his teammates. These guys get so jacked up and then get their coaches wanting to get revenge too, the shit hits the fan. Crawford was stoking the fire for god's sake. That's the last thing that team needed. A lot of that is the culture that seems to be ok. Revenge at all costs. When we're losing, go ahead and try to hurt a team late in the game. They think that's all ok, and then when something like this happens they sit back and wonder why or how it could have happened.
the bolded you can't say for certain

but i agree that it's a culture issue that brings down hockey, which at it's core is a great game...but i won't be sympathetic for Bertz, if that's how he's remembered then so be it

bonzo48280 03-07-2014 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15175957)
Yeah a finals win is too easy. Wings beating the Avs in 97 still ranks higher for me, at least emotionally, than any Cup. So many things went into that. 2007 beating the Sharks was great too. They were 40 seconds away from being down 3-1 but instead won the series in 6. I would have thought 2009 against Vancouver would be up there too. Hawks were what a few minutes away from being down 3-1 themselves weren't they?

2009 against Vancouver and 2010 against Nashville. Game 5 against Nashville is when I knew the Hawks were going to win the cup.

TMoore4075 03-07-2014 02:23 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15176206)
the bolded you can't say for certain

but i agree that it's a culture issue that brings down hockey, which at it's core is a great game...but i won't be sympathetic for Bertz, if that's how he's remembered then so be it
I think someone would have because of all the hate that seemed to be coming from them and Crawford saying between periods, that Moore need to pay the price. And I want to clarify, it's not that I feel bad for him because of what he did, I feel bad because he was so good back then, and by all accounts seems to be a good teammate, and a stupid moment changed his career path.

And I have no problem with fighting. One on ones that happen for a reason, or the spur of the moments that happen when guys have cross checked or slashed each other a few times and you go at it. That keeps them honest. The culture of violence for no reason is just accepted by too many people. The brawl between the Flames and Canucks, there were people appolgizing for the stupidity all around. There should have been a lot more done because of that.
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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 15176209)
2009 against Vancouver and 2010 against Nashville. Game 5 against Nashville is when I knew the Hawks were going to win the cup.
Was so very much hoping the Preds pulled that off. Although, most likely Canucks or Sharks to to the Finals and maybe win the Cup, and I'd rather have had Hawks win it.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:25 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15176265)
I think someone would have because of all the hate that seemed to be coming from them and Crawford saying between periods, that Moore need to pay the price. And I want to clarify, it's not that I feel bad for him because of what he did, I feel bad because he was so good back then, and by all accounts seems to be a good teammate, and a stupid moment changed his career path.

And I have no problem with fighting. One on ones that happen for a reason, or the spur of the moments that happen when guys have cross checked or slashed each other a few times and you go at it. That keeps them honest. The culture of violence for no reason is just accepted by too many people. The brawl between the Flames and Canucks, there were people appolgizing for the stupidity all around. There should have been a lot more done because of that.


Was so very much hoping the Preds pulled that off. Although, most likely Canucks or Sharks to to the Finals and maybe win the Cup, and I'd rather have had Hawks win it.
fair enough, i basically agree :thumbsup

fonzz41 03-07-2014 02:42 PM
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Yeah Tim, I totally agree about feeling bad for Bertuzzi. I used to hate the guy (obviously), but that hatred has turned more to pity. He was never able to get his career back on track to the level he was at, and he's never been (and will never be) able to live that incident down. No matter what he does, he will always be that guy who got pissed and ended Steve Moore's career basically before it had really begun. On one hand, I ask (and he probably asks) how long he's required to suffer before he's atoned for his actions? Unfortunately, probably never. That's too bad. That's the "mercy" side of me.

The other part of me, however, thinks about how Bert is still making millions of dollars playing hockey while Moore is not. This is the "justice" side of me that thinks "The least Bert can do is feel bad and take some ridicule while Moore sits at home with physical damage unable to play and even function normally."

Not saying either the "justice" or "mercy" sides of me are completely right... they are just the normal spectrum of human emotions I run through when I think about this situation.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:44 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15176331)
Yeah Tim, I totally agree about feeling bad for Bertuzzi. I used to hate the guy (obviously), but that hatred has turned more to pity. He was never able to get his career back on track to the level he was at, and he's never been (and will never be) able to live that incident down. No matter what he does, he will always be that guy who got pissed and ended Steve Moore's career basically before it had really begun. On one hand, I ask (and he probably asks) how long he's required to suffer before he's atoned for his actions? Unfortunately, probably never. That's too bad. That's the "mercy" side of me.

The other part of me, however, thinks about how Bert is still making millions of dollars playing hockey while Moore is not. This is the "justice" side of me that thinks "The least Bert can do is feel bad and take some ridicule while Moore sits at home with physical damage unable to play and even function normally."

Not saying either the "justice" or "mercy" sides of me are completely right... they are just the normal spectrum of human emotions I run through when I think about this situation.
well said

Rebecca De Mornay 03-07-2014 02:44 PM
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guys the hockey thread is just great.
outside of Tim randomly lashing out at the jackets last night we always proceed with very sophisticated and interesting discussion, even when we don't agree.

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15176345)
guys the hockey thread is just great.
outside of Tim randomly lashing out at the jackets last night we always proceed with very sophisticated and interesting discussion, even when we don't agree.
it's the last sacred place on ants

barbogast 03-07-2014 02:51 PM
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So funny seeing Pens and Wings fans talk about how much it sucks when your team loses a playoff series they should've won

fonzz41 03-07-2014 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15176345)
guys the hockey thread is just great.
outside of Tim randomly lashing out at the jackets last night we always proceed with very sophisticated and interesting discussion, even when we don't agree.
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it's the last sacred place on ants
I love it. We can totally go at each other for a couple pages (Us vs. John yesterday, for example) and still end up as friends having a good discussion. Love this thread. :thumbsup

It's kinda like hockey. Guys fight and beat the shit out of each other, then shake hands after and move on.

Rebecca De Mornay 03-07-2014 02:52 PM
Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15176389)
I love it. We can totally go at each other for a couple pages (Us vs. John yesterday, for example) and still end up as friends having a good discussion. Love this thread. :thumbsup

It's kinda like hockey. Guys fight and beat the shit out of each other, then shake hands after and move on.
Yep, and I always lose. Just like the Jackets.

fonzz41 03-07-2014 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15176384)
So funny seeing Pens and Wings fans talk about how much it sucks when your team loses a playoff series they should've won
:lol :lol :thumbsup

Yeah, you kinda got us all there... :hug

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:53 PM
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can't wait to throw a nasty hip check into barbogast later then help him up

fonzz41 03-07-2014 02:55 PM
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That's how it goes here, my friend.

Tim and I have been going at it for what, like 3 years now? And I'd still buy him a beer in a heartbeat (and I don't even drink!)

hailtopitt 03-07-2014 02:57 PM
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:lol we should do an ants.org NHL meat up :lol

hit up a few arenas, get weird

Rebecca De Mornay 03-07-2014 02:57 PM
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Are you Mormon matty or do you just not drink?


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