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TMoore4075 10-20-2017 01:15 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16915006)
Overall I think it is good for hockey that the level of play has been raised. I think the NHL playoffs have been fantastic too.

The Rangers have no one to blame but themselves. I may love my NY Rangers, but if they don't deserve to get in, than so be it. I would rather good teams get in than my Rangers sneaking in with a .500 or so record.

Oh I agree, I think it's better for the NHL, although it made upsets a little more fun for me back in the day when there were big gaps between 1 and 8. But it is great and this is coming from a guy whose team benefited from no cap.

TMoore4075 10-20-2017 01:50 PM

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Looks like Wings are close to signing Athanasiou to a 1 year deal. Wings upped their 1 year offer from 1.25 to reportedly 1.5. It makes sense for him and the Wings. Sitting out wasn't getting him anywhere and Wings weren't gonna cave on the 2 year deal. A one year deal for a little more (but less of a cap hit than the 2 year deal) is good for the Wings and good for him to get paid and on the ice plus is eligible for arbitration. if he wanted an NHL career, sitting out the whole year made 0 sense on every level because he'd be exactly in the same spot next summer as this past summer. Does this make the Wings better? Sure but not much but I am glad we'll most likely see him soon.

Lcsulla 10-20-2017 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 16914858)
His first year was 2011/2012

Thanks, I was unsure. So he has spend about 5 years less than Toews in the NHL so the new faceoff rule is probably slightly easier for him to adjust to - SLIGHTLY being the keyword.

fonzz41 10-20-2017 03:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16914496)
Matty, happy to see you guys are still off to a good start, 8 points so far, only 3 off the WC lead - yeah I know it is early but still, making strides!

Making a lot of strides, yes, but still a lot of work to be done. Two straight losses has me thinking back to last season (although there were moments of greatness in each).
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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 16914671)

It's not every day that one player can make Duncan Keith (who had him covered pretty well) look helpless. One of the most amazing plays I have seen in a long time.

fonzz41 10-20-2017 03:46 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
Discussion question for you guys:

So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.

dmbetc 10-20-2017 03:57 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
Matty,

That is an interesting scenario but I don't think much can be done to "reward" the Avs. If they replay three minutes of the game there is no way to duplicate all factors that took place in the game the goal was taken away. If they give a point to them then that means that has to be the standard going forward and what determines a team getting a point due to a goal incorrectly being taken away? If a team loses 5-2 but had a goal mistakenly taken away, do they still get a point? If a team gets a goal taken away in the first period but loses by one do they still get a point taken away?

Unfortunately I think it gets chalked up as human error and a tough case for the Avs.

lockman21 10-20-2017 03:58 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16915233)
Discussion question for you guys:

So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.

I certainly don't think any of these are the solution. I think you need to just chalk it up as a lesson learned. When you overreact or overcorrect to outliers like last night, you usually just cause more problems than you solve.

Brohan_Santana 10-20-2017 03:59 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16915233)
Discussion question for you guys:

So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.


There's nothing you can do other than using it as a learning experience to avoid this in this future.

fonzz41 10-20-2017 04:01 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 16915249)
Matty,

That is an interesting scenario but I don't think much can be done to "reward" the Avs. If they replay three minutes of the game there is no way to duplicate all factors that took place in the game the goal was taken away. If they give a point to them then that means that has to be the standard going forward and what determines a team getting a point due to a goal incorrectly being taken away? If a team loses 5-2 but had a goal mistakenly taken away, do they still get a point? If a team gets a goal taken away in the first period but loses by one do they still get a point taken away?

Unfortunately I think it gets chalked up as human error and a tough case for the Avs.

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16915251)
I certainly don't think any of these are the solution. I think you need to just chalk it up as a lesson learned. When you overreact or overcorrect to outliers like last night, you usually just cause more problems than you solve.

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Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 16915254)
There's nothing you can do other than using it as a learning experience to avoid this in this future.

This is my thinking as well. Could end up causing a lot of weird problems in the future.

lockman21 10-20-2017 04:05 PM

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I don't know how you could possibly justify anything else.

Chumlee67 10-20-2017 04:14 PM

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I agree with the sentiments of those before. I think it needs to be calked up as a unfortunate circumstance and a learning point. I would be pissed if that was my team, and I think justifiably so.

Lcsulla 10-20-2017 04:16 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16915233)
Discussion question for you guys:

So, last night the Avs tied up the game against StL with about 3 minutes left. The Blues challenged the goal, saying that an Avs player had been offsides prior to the goal being scored. After review, the goal was overturned and the Avs ended up losing.

Today, the NHL released a statement saying the officials actually messed up and that the goal was not reviewable (explanation below), obviously meaning the outcome of the game could have been significantly different.

League's mea culpa: https://www.nhl.com/news/situation-r...?tid=280504338

Yes, I have been on the side that has argued that a lot more goes into a game than one goal, but what, if anything, do you guys think the NHL should do in a situation like this? Give the losing team a consolation point? Replay the last 3 minutes of the game next time the Avs and Blues play? Shrug their shoulders, chalk it up to the human factor of sports, and say "sorry", a la Brett Hull's Cup winning goal? (most likely)

I'm not furious or anything like that, just interested in your thoughts on what should happen when a review situation like this ends up playing a major consequence in who wins/loses the game.

Wow, that sucks man - I am sorry to hear that, I was not aware the NHL had commented. I thought it was a good goal and the officials botched the challenge last night - nice to see I am not the only one who believed the refs blew that one!

As for what I think, I believe the Avs should get a point in the standing. St. Louis is damn good but with so little time left in t he game I believe it would likely have gone to OT where anything goes so giving them a point in the standings would be what I would advocate for.

fonzz41 10-20-2017 04:30 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16915280)
Wow, that sucks man - I am sorry to hear that, I was not aware the NHL had commented. I thought it was a good goal and the officials botched the challenge last night - nice to see I am not the only one who believed the refs blew that one!

As for what I think, I believe the Avs should get a point in the standing. St. Louis is damn good but with so little time left in t he game I believe it would likely have gone to OT where anything goes so giving them a point in the standings would be what I would advocate for.

Yeah, if anything, maybe giving the Avs a point would be OK. But like others have said, that sets precedence for future blown calls. What blown call then "merits" a consolation point. Bleh. Like chumlee said, I'm probably only thinking about it because it was my team.

The weird thing about the whole situation is that it WAS offsides. But because it was never called and the player/puck exited the zone before re-entering and scoring, it was not a REVIEWABLE play.

Lcsulla 10-20-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16915292)
Yeah, if anything, maybe giving the Avs a point would be OK. But like others have said, that sets precedence for future blown calls. What blown call then "merits" a consolation point. Bleh. Like chumlee said, I'm probably only thinking about it because it was my team.

The weird thing about the whole situation is that it WAS offsides. But because it was never called and the player/puck exited the zone before re-entering and scoring, it was not a REVIEWABLE play.

Agreed, it does set a lousy precedent but I still think your Avs got screwed and deserve something more than a simple apology.

TheLastPig 10-20-2017 07:42 PM

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Friday night against the Pens and Florida’s arena is emptyyy

TMoore4075 10-20-2017 08:48 PM

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A lot of empty seats at LCA tonight. Ticket prices are stupid so I wonder how much of it is that.

barbogast 10-20-2017 09:52 PM

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So, I just got home from work, turn the tv to the game, and immediately jump into Carlson putting the puck over the glass. Then I see it’s a 2-2 game with 8 minutes in the 3rd. Cool. So then without fail, I watch Tomas Tatar, who is sitting on my fantasy bench, score the go ahead goal, only to then learn he also scored the tying goal.

:BANG:BANG:BANG

barbogast 10-20-2017 10:17 PM

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Well hey now. That turned out pretty good.

Lcsulla 10-21-2017 02:06 PM

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Marchand with a pretty good sense of humor here. I am not a twitter person so he could do things like this often and I do not see them but this was thrown in an espn article I was reading and I got an actual laugh out of it and figured I would share.

https://twitter.com/Bmarch63/status/...n.com%2Fnhl%2F

kev87lads 10-21-2017 03:34 PM

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Take that Oil. Sorry Swordo

TMoore4075 10-21-2017 06:12 PM

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Sheahan to Pens. That’ll make the space for AA. Smartest move right there as he probably was t back next season so it gets you a pick and free space for AA. Wings still suck though.

Lcsulla 10-21-2017 07:46 PM

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It is a shame the Yankees did not polish off the Astros last night and have to play game 7 tonight. I would have loved to give my full attention to seeing Nik Hjalmarsson face the Hawks for the first time. Obviously a game 7 in baseball will take priority but I hope I can tape or see the Hawks game afterwords on my NHL.tv subsciption because I expect Nik will get some well deserved handshakes from all his former team-mates before the game begins. I can only imagine the welcome Chicago will give him when he makes his return to the UC!

dmbetc 10-21-2017 10:20 PM

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Sutter must be slamming shots watching this King’s team do good with Dustin on the top line. It’s glorious.

bradshaw06 10-21-2017 11:35 PM

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Niemi is bad

BotheLaneFan 10-22-2017 01:58 AM

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Golden Knights are STILL the best franchise ever!!!

~Crashintome89~ 10-22-2017 02:46 AM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16915588)
Marchand with a pretty good sense of humor here. I am not a twitter person so he could do things like this often and I do not see them but this was thrown in an espn article I was reading and I got an actual laugh out of it and figured I would share.

https://twitter.com/Bmarch63/status/...n.com%2Fnhl%2F

Really?

Cause I think that's garbage.

barbogast 10-22-2017 07:42 AM

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The fact that Marchand not only acknowledges how dirty of a player he is but also promotes it with a joke on Twitter is exactly why Brad Marchand is the worst player currently in the NHL.

TMoore4075 10-22-2017 07:59 AM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16915864)
The fact that Marchand not only acknowledges how dirty of a player he is but also promotes it with a joke on Twitter is exactly why Brad Marchand is the worst player currently in the NHL.

*Hits the like button*

Lcsulla 10-22-2017 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16915864)
The fact that Marchand not only acknowledges how dirty of a player he is but also promotes it with a joke on Twitter is exactly why Brad Marchand is the worst player currently in the NHL.

I know he is dirty as hell, I just thought the controller tweet was funny because it is so accurate.

Ended up watching the full Hawks/Yotes game last night and got some redemption after that Yankees loss but I was actually impressed with Phoenix. I know their record is awful but I do not think they are as bad as their record shows. They have one damn good O line, a solid defense and damn good penalty kill. If they had a serviceable goalie (Raanta should help that when he gets healthy) and a decent power play they could be potential spoilers to some good teams.

barbogast 10-22-2017 01:31 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 
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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16915914)
I know he is dirty as hell, I just thought the controller tweet was funny because it is so accurate.

Ended up watching the full Hawks/Yotes game last night and got some redemption after that Yankees loss but I was actually impressed with Phoenix. I know their record is awful but I do not think they are as bad as their record shows. They have one damn good O line, a solid defense and damn good penalty kill. If they had a serviceable goalie (Raanta should help that when he gets healthy) and a decent power play they could be potential spoilers to some good teams.

The image itself is funny and it wasnít originally created by Marchand. What I donít like that he retweeted it in an attempt to self promote, indicating that he a) fully acknowledges heís a dirty player and b) is willing to create a personal brand around being a dirty player. It reinforces exactly how much he sucks.


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