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barbogast 04-20-2016 07:02 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Yeah I'm not too down for the derogatory slurs either. Matty is right, it's been a part of the game for a long time. But that doesn't really make it right. I'm not calling for Shaw's head or anything, I know he's just a player like everyone else and one of ten thousand who have used that word on the ice, still I wish there would be more of an example to remove words like that from the on ice trash talking scene.

I mean, imagine if a camera had've caught a Cap calling Wayne Simmonds a, well, you know.

Same kind of deal here.

unccrombie 04-20-2016 07:27 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
always happy to see the rangers inability to play defense and control a neutral zone :rolleyes
17 shots over 3 periods, :lol

barbogast 04-20-2016 07:34 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Tickets for tonight's game 4 tilt have plummeted. Looks like you can get in the building now for right around $60.

Who wants to go to Phillie today?

unccrombie 04-20-2016 07:40 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16380317)
Tickets for tonight's game 4 tilt have plummeted. Looks like you can get in the building now for right around $60.

Who wants to go to Phillie today?

save your money for rounds 2-4. Stanley cup tickets get pricey in major markets.

barbogast 04-20-2016 07:44 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Neuvirth tonight

barbogast 04-20-2016 07:45 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16380321)
save your money for rounds 2-4. Stanley cup tickets get pricey in major markets.

Yeah I'm not sure I'd really wanna go into Philly anyway. They not always so nice up there

lockman21 04-20-2016 08:42 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 16380260)
Shaw's gay slur is blowing up enough on Twitter that I see a suspension coming.

Definitely not gonna happen.

aeroshady 04-20-2016 08:51 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
These playoffs are really interesting so far haha.

Anyway, Rangers just need to win game 4. Although if they go down 3-1 it is apparently not the end of the world for this team either.

Hawks losing both at home is surprising me.

Climb2safety 04-20-2016 08:52 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16380362)
Definitely not gonna happen.

This article suggests differently -

"If he did use a homophobic slur, the NHL has to act on that, and "emotions were high" is simply not an excuse for that kind of behavior.

The You Can Play Project, an organization "that is dedicated to ensuring equality, respect and safety for all athletes, without regard to sexual orientation and/or gender identity," and an organization teamed up with the Blackhawks on a partnership just two weeks ago, has already said that it will be reaching out to the NHL to "immediately assist in an appropriate response."

A slur on its own would be worthy of a suspension from the league.

If you're looking for some sort of precedent here, former enforcer Krys Barch was suspended one game for making a racist joke directed at Montreal Canadiens defenseman P.K. Subban, while James Wisniewski was once suspended two games for making an obscene gesture directed at Sean Avery.

When you add in the fact he flipped off the referees two different times (with both hands!) and was simply out of control it only adds to the ridiculousness of the entire display. Together, it should all be enough to at least keep him out of the next game of the series. If not more."

barbogast 04-20-2016 09:13 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380372)
Anyway, Rangers just need to win game 4. Although if they go down 3-1 it is apparently not the end of the world for this team either.

Fyi, you aren't playing the Caps this year. Probably if the Rangers go down 3-1 they are done

Climb2safety 04-20-2016 09:16 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380372)
These playoffs are really interesting so far haha.

Anyway, Rangers just need to win game 4. Although if they go down 3-1 it is apparently not the end of the world for this team either.

Hawks losing both at home is surprising me.

This series feels like it could go 6 or 7 to me.

unccrombie 04-20-2016 09:16 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16380395)
Fyi, you aren't playing the Caps this year. Probably if the Rangers go down 3-1 they are done

agreed. penguins have looked consistent in all 3 games so far. rangers still struggling to find defense and neutral zone play. I did like that the rangers brought the physicality yesterday, though with that comes some amped up/unnecessary penalties (I'm looking at you Kreider)

salrx95 04-20-2016 09:57 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16380362)
Definitely not gonna happen.

I'd be surprised if he isn't suspended a game. It's all over this morning. In this day and age, you have to be so dumb to be using that word in public.

aeroshady 04-20-2016 09:57 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16380395)
Fyi, you aren't playing the Caps this year. Probably if the Rangers go down 3-1 they are done

I mean, we did come back from 3-1 two years ago against the Pens.

Also, I am not melting for once about my team and you hit me with that kind of negativity! :lol:lol

My outlook on this series is that what ever happens it is okay. We have had a bunch of long runs recently, so if is not meant to be, what does it matter if we lose in round one or round two? And if it is meant to be, the loss last night doesn't matter!

aeroshady 04-20-2016 09:58 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 16380473)
I'd be surprised if he isn't suspended a game. It's all over this morning. In this day and age, you have to be so dumb to be using that word in public.

:thumbsup yup. This is how I feel too.

barbogast 04-20-2016 10:04 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380474)
I mean, we did come back from 3-1 two years ago against the Pens.

Also, I am not melting for once about my team and you hit me with that kind of negativity! :lol:lol

My outlook on this series is that what ever happens it is okay. We have had a bunch of long runs recently, so if is not meant to be, what does it matter if we lose in round one or round two? And if it is meant to be, the loss last night doesn't matter!

:lol :lol :lol

fonzz41 04-20-2016 10:07 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
So the league isn't going to look at the Letang high stick on Stalberg? Huh.

Dramageek 04-20-2016 10:11 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380474)
I mean, we did come back from 3-1 two years ago against the Pens.

Also, I am not melting for once about my team and you hit me with that kind of negativity! :lol:lol

My outlook on this series is that what ever happens it is okay. We have had a bunch of long runs recently, so if is not meant to be, what does it matter if we lose in round one or round two? And if it is meant to be, the loss last night doesn't matter!

This has been a good, tight fun series from both teams so far. It's been a nice chess match with the injury, goalie and lineup issues. The Pens played stellar defense last night. I can see the Pens finishing it in 5 or it could easily go 6 or 7.

unccrombie 04-20-2016 10:12 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16380504)
So the league isn't going to look at the Letang high stick on Stalberg? Huh.

should they?
if anything that Krieder hit in the 2nd should (maybe) be looked at...

BotheLaneFan 04-20-2016 10:12 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 16380510)
This has been a good, tight fun series from both teams so far. It's been a nice chess match with the injury, goalie and lineup issues. The Pens played stellar defense last night. I can see the Pens finishing it in 5 or it could easily go 6 or 7.

I'd prefer them to finish it in 5,thx.

fonzz41 04-20-2016 10:19 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 16380473)
I'd be surprised if he isn't suspended a game. It's all over this morning. In this day and age, you have to be so dumb to be using that word in public.

It definitely is looking more and more like that. The power of social media is strong in this one, and that's not a bad thing. My apathetic statement about it earlier in no way means I'm ok with him saying it.

If anything, it really is an indicator that things need to change. I mean, when the two biggest skeptics in here regarding discipline in this instance are two guys that play hockey (Chris and myself), maybe that's just a small demonstration to how desensitized the hockey community has become. Doesn't mean we like it or take part in it (I don't and I'm sure Chris doesn't), but we're probably both used to it to the point that it's just another chirp. And that's not great.

Hockey players are some of the nicest athletes out there, but man, put them out on the ice and it's like you unleashed the beast verbally. There's a story in Kerry Fraser's book where he talks about how Claude Lemieux once made Theo Fleury cry because of something he said.

jrkarger 04-20-2016 10:25 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
I feel like the longer the series goes the worse it is for the Pens. It doesn't sound good the prospects of having to go back to MSG for a game 6 and NO ONE wants a game 7 at Consol.

fonzz41 04-20-2016 10:27 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16380511)
should they?
if anything that Krieder hit in the 2nd should (maybe) be looked at...

I definitely think they should. Whether intentional or just reckless, it's a no-no.

I didn't see the Kreider hit, but I trust your judgement in these matters.

hailtopitt 04-20-2016 10:32 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16379924)
#garageleague indeed.

Don't worry, they'll start coming down harder on guys for these types of hits...

... After someone breaks their neck as a result of one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16379963)
Yep, 5 games for a first offense, 10 or more after that. Hell, those hits are dangerous enough I'd be ok with 10 and 20.

god i love you

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16380043)
Yeah, have another look when you get a sec. Orlov is low because he was skating fast into the corner and had dug his skates in to stop. People mentioned he was off balance, but as I see it he was perfectly in control... Until Bellemare threw him off balance.

Either way, I know you and I agree on the severity of this stuff, so no worries.

agreed :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 16380106)
Missed the Pens game tonight because I went to see Alton Brown (a really good show actually.) Huzzah for the victory! The only disappointing part was letting Rick Nash score. :lol I did see a Rags goal was overturned due to a challenge. Any major controversy there?

Time to flip between the hockey games and the Pirates game until I fall asleep!

nope, was clearly offsides on JT Miller...correct call

Quote:

Originally Posted by rconverse (Post 16380213)
Anyone else catch this? Am I the only one who thinks this will be hitting social media?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 16380260)
Shaw's gay slur is blowing up enough on Twitter that I see a suspension coming.

yikes...

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16380317)
Tickets for tonight's game 4 tilt have plummeted. Looks like you can get in the building now for right around $60.

Who wants to go to Phillie today?

:lol no one wants to go to philly, bud

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380372)
These playoffs are really interesting so far haha.

Anyway, Rangers just need to win game 4. Although if they go down 3-1 it is apparently not the end of the world for this team either.

Hawks losing both at home is surprising me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380474)
I mean, we did come back from 3-1 two years ago against the Pens.

Also, I am not melting for once about my team and you hit me with that kind of negativity! :lol:lol

My outlook on this series is that what ever happens it is okay. We have had a bunch of long runs recently, so if is not meant to be, what does it matter if we lose in round one or round two? And if it is meant to be, the loss last night doesn't matter!

exactly to the bolded...it's not over til it's over...Hank is the ultimate equalizer

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16380504)
So the league isn't going to look at the Letang high stick on Stalberg? Huh.

i didn't think they would...although it clearly should've been a 4 minute penalty, i didn't see any intent in real time...looks much worse in slo-mo

also, it's the NHL so...

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Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 16380545)
I feel like the longer the series goes the worse it is for the Pens. It doesn't sound good the prospects of having to go back to MSG for a game 6 and NO ONE wants a game 7 at Consol.

if the blue line keeps holding the Rags to 17 shots, it's not going to be a long series

that's a big if, of course

either way, nice win last night...Matty Cullen the ageless wonder...love that guy

unccrombie 04-20-2016 10:33 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
multi quote about the ranger/pens and I didn't make it?
Christ on a bagel

Lcsulla 04-20-2016 10:38 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16380181)
Wow really dumb play from Shaw

Yeah, very stupid penalty to take after Keith gets them within a goal with over 5 minutes left. I cannot comment on what what said or didn't say, likely because I had my head in the pillow thinking - 'FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!' - nor did I see anything about it on espn or nhl.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16380249)
Conspiracy theory: you wrote everything in this post except the 4th paragraph. Lcsulla then hacked into your account and added that part himself.

Would not have to hack into the account even if I wanted to, as a mod I can edit any of your posts. :lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16380250)
pretty sure Shaw or Kruger will be gone in the off-season because of the Bread Man's bonuses.

Likely Kruger IMO, Shaw is a gritty and pesty player who gives it his all every shift.

Last night - UGH, that was brutal. Getting 3 past Elliot and still losing is tough.

No idea how that shot by Anisimov did not cross the line last night.

Some strange hops of the puck on the ice last night.

Losing 2 in a row at home put them in a deep hole.

For the series Chicago is not playing bad at all, defense looks solid, Crawford is playing well and every game has been a 1 goal game.

Offense and neutral zone giveaways have been a big problem. 4 assists by Kane, 2 assists by Toews, 3 assists by Panarin (I too believe that puck never touched him and it should been given to Keith) - other than that you have 3 goals by Keith (likely 4 as stated), a pair by Shaw, one by Anisimov, one by Seabrook and the one credited to Panarin that should have gone to Keith IMO - other than that you are looking at squat, St. Louis (lead by Elliot who is playing amazing) has done a great job shutting down the big guns on O.

EDIT: IF (very big if) somehow Chicago can rattle off 3 in a row to advance that is a ton of momentum going into round 2 - that is about the only thing I can hope for at this point because Chicago is just getting shut down, taking stupid penalties and giving the puck away in the neutral zone far too often for a team with so many great players with plenty of experience in big games.

aeroshady 04-20-2016 10:38 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16380565)
multi quote about the ranger/pens and I didn't make it?
Christ on a bagel

:lol I always feel this way when back reading this thread and I don't get quoted on a comment I made.

Got to love hockey forums!

unccrombie 04-20-2016 10:40 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380576)
:lol I always feel this way when back reading this thread and I don't get quoted on a comment I made.

Got to love hockey forums!

h2p jus' gettin' me amped.

hailtopitt 04-20-2016 10:49 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16380565)
multi quote about the ranger/pens and I didn't make it?
Christ on a bagel

Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16380576)
:lol I always feel this way when back reading this thread and I don't get quoted on a comment I made.

Got to love hockey forums!

Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 16380580)
h2p jus' gettin' me amped.

:lol sorry crombs

BeyondKnight 04-20-2016 11:02 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16380532)
It definitely is looking more and more like that. The power of social media is strong in this one, and that's not a bad thing. My apathetic statement about it earlier in no way means I'm ok with him saying it.

If anything, it really is an indicator that things need to change. I mean, when the two biggest skeptics in here regarding discipline in this instance are two guys that play hockey (Chris and myself), maybe that's just a small demonstration to how desensitized the hockey community has become. Doesn't mean we like it or take part in it (I don't and I'm sure Chris doesn't), but we're probably both used to it to the point that it's just another chirp. And that's not great.

Hockey players are some of the nicest athletes out there, but man, put them out on the ice and it's like you unleashed the beast verbally. There's a story in Kerry Fraser's book where he talks about how Claude Lemieux once made Theo Fleury cry because of something he said.

I think it would be extremely interesting that the punishment for using a slur towards a player would be the same as taking a player dangerously into the boards and nearly breaking his neck. Those don't seem to be equal offenses to me...


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