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jrkarger 03-29-2016 11:48 AM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16351345)
I mean...as nice as that is in theory, it's insanely impractical. He still has to do work. I work in an industry with a lot of sensitivity centered around unions, and it's not like my company's CEO or COO can just NOT use email. How would they communicate with other employees? Things need to get done, and it's just a way of the world that e-mail is the way most business gets completed in today's world. He can't just text with people or sit on conference calls all day. Everyone's busy and everyone has a job to do.

Bettman is a smart guy, love him or hate him, he's fucking smart. I'm sure there's plenty he's said in person to these guys that he would never type in an email.
Maybe never is a strong word. But, I'd keep my responses as minimal as possible.

I agree with you he's a really smart guy.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 11:49 AM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Love how this TSN article starts. Hank getting some props!

http://www.tsn.ca/uncertainty-surrou...cture-1.460936

Lcsulla 03-29-2016 11:51 AM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16351315)
Except basically every linemate not named Jonathan Toews and Dustin Byfuglien that Kane has ever had.

He's 24, in his first NHL season, is 14 points better than the nearest rookie, and is a main reason the defending Cup champs are even talking about the playoffs. Kid wins the Calder without blinking. It's a great year for rookies, no doubt, but Panarin is the clear winner. If McDavid were healthy the whole year, he seems like the frontrunner, but for now, I think it comes down to:

Panarin
Domi
Gostisbehere

And Panarin wins.
This as well! Just to round out the top seven I would add Gibson, Eickel, McDavid and Larkin - in no particular order at all.

lockman21 03-29-2016 11:55 AM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrkarger (Post 16351354)
Maybe never is a strong word. But, I'd keep my responses as minimal as possible.

I agree with you he's a really smart guy.
Agreed, and like I said, I'm sure he has to an extent. I'm SURE he's called meetings for the sole purpose of keeping things off any sort of documented path. Again, though, it's just impractical to keep all your thoughts off e-mail. Sometimes it just has to happen. There's a finite amount of time and an insane amount that needs to be accomplished every day.

It's just an interesting insight, especially the NHL comparing themselves to the NFL.

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16351349)
Hey, Tom Cruise made a movie about players doing this to agents.

I agree, they should bargain something better. Again though, my issue is not him wanting to test the market (as per his right under the CBA), it is how he let the Predators believe he was all in and then pulled the carpet from under them. I believe in second and even third chances, but this was not a great start for this kid when it comes to image.
I like Bucci's take on this...just picture yourself as an 18 year old kid, and you have 30 potential suitors looking to employ your servies that all pay the exact same amount of money. Wouldn't you want to pick which place you feel is best? People forget that this kid is 18. I can't tell you how fucking stupid I was at 18. It's a tremendous amount of pressure and responsibility, you can only hope the people guiding his decisions are smart and looking out for his best interests.

I mean, shit, look at how bad Jack Johnson got played by his own parents. It's a scary world, and like I said, until he signed on that dotted line, the Preds should not have counted on a damn thing. It's largely on their shoulders, too, if they made too many decisions banking on an 18 year old kid they still hadn't officially signed.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 12:16 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16351369)
Agreed, and like I said, I'm sure he has to an extent. I'm SURE he's called meetings for the sole purpose of keeping things off any sort of documented path. Again, though, it's just impractical to keep all your thoughts off e-mail. Sometimes it just has to happen. There's a finite amount of time and an insane amount that needs to be accomplished every day.

It's just an interesting insight, especially the NHL comparing themselves to the NFL.



I like Bucci's take on this...just picture yourself as an 18 year old kid, and you have 30 potential suitors looking to employ your servies that all pay the exact same amount of money. Wouldn't you want to pick which place you feel is best? People forget that this kid is 18. I can't tell you how fucking stupid I was at 18. It's a tremendous amount of pressure and responsibility, you can only hope the people guiding his decisions are smart and looking out for his best interests.

I mean, shit, look at how bad Jack Johnson got played by his own parents. It's a scary world, and like I said, until he signed on that dotted line, the Preds should not have counted on a damn thing. It's largely on their shoulders, too, if they made too many decisions banking on an 18 year old kid they still hadn't officially signed.
I see your points and I don't totally disagree.

However, I am arguing business ethics. Take both sides of this into account.

This kid gave his word to the team that he would be signing with them when his College season was over. According to reports, they met with him weekly and were given no indication that anything had changed. His season ends, and boom, he declines and goes to UFA. Why? I am not asking why go to UFA, I am asking what was the reasoning for giving no indication? The question I have, is moving forward, if you are a GM, are you going to trust him?

From the GM stand point. Tim mentioned earlier about GM's trading players after giving them a false sense of security that they will not be traded. At some point, those types of business ethics are going to keep some top players from signing for that GM without a NTC.

Roose13 03-29-2016 12:27 PM
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Ghost clearly the best rookie ever. I don't care how biased I am. He literally changes games more than any scoring forward could right now.

~Crashintome89~ 03-29-2016 12:34 PM
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Just FYI, but Vesey is 22.

lockman21 03-29-2016 12:45 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16351399)
I see your points and I don't totally disagree.

However, I am arguing business ethics. Take both sides of this into account.

This kid gave his word to the team that he would be signing with them when his College season was over. According to reports, they met with him weekly and were given no indication that anything had changed. His season ends, and boom, he declines and goes to UFA. Why? I am not asking why go to UFA, I am asking what was the reasoning for giving no indication? The question I have, is moving forward, if you are a GM, are you going to trust him?

From the GM stand point. Tim mentioned earlier about GM's trading players after giving them a false sense of security that they will not be traded. At some point, those types of business ethics are going to keep some top players from signing for that GM without a NTC.
We should probably hold 60+ year old GMs with 33 years in the industry (like David Poile) making ridiculous salaries to a much higher standard than a college kid that hasn't even signed his first contract.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 12:53 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16351453)
We should probably hold 60+ year old GMs with 33 years in the industry (like David Poile) making ridiculous salaries to a much higher standard than a college kid that hasn't even signed his first contract.
I agree (although Gorton is only 47 :D). The GM's should be held to a higher standard.

That still doesn't fully excuse an expected level of professionalism from "kids" (22 he has been an adult for 4 years) entering the league. Maybe you can argue this is more of a reflection of the management team Vesey has around him to make these decisions than it is a reflection on him as a person.

kev87lads 03-29-2016 12:56 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16351351)
Not really IMO, they compliment each other and look at Kane's numbers - his production is up in a large part due to playing on a line with Panarin. Plus, well, Phillie is not all that good at any major sport, when was the last title any team from Phillie won - the 08 World Series? :lol
Hey. No need for the unnecessary shot!

TMoore4075 03-29-2016 01:02 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16351328)
I have no problem with Vesey wanting to go to free agency. Kid can look out for his career and that's fine. My only problem is this leading on Nashville. If he didn't tell about five people that he was good to go with signing, this wouldn't be an issue.
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16351334)
Pretty much what I said in my second post.

The issue is not being honest about his intentions. Especially when there seems to be absolutely zero reason for it. It would not have been a big deal to let the organization know he was going to UFA. At the very least let them know he was undecided to let them make a decision on if they wanted to risk it.

It almost seems as though he just couldn't be bothered with it, so he just said "yeah sure, I will sign."
I understand this argument. What Poile was saying, he's wondering if someone in his camp is leading him this way.
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16351339)
I mean, anyone that's ever been a union employee like that could tell you that you have to use all the options your contract allows. It's something allowable by the CBA, so I struggle to find a huge problem with it. He's gambling on himself, and it's his future. Kevin Hayes did something extremely similar.

Until he signs, you can't be 100% sure of anything. I know it sucks, but it's just a fact of the game. If the owners hate it, they need to collectively bargain something better.
But to this point, he does have to look out for himself. There is the argument that he's not getting more money out of this, just the choice of where to go. So this could backfire but...we'll see.
Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16351349)
Hey, Tom Cruise made a movie about players doing this to agents.

I agree, they should bargain something better. Again though, my issue is not him wanting to test the market (as per his right under the CBA), it is how he let the Predators believe he was all in and then pulled the carpet from under them. I believe in second and even third chances, but this was not a great start for this kid when it comes to image.
Well the NHL did bargain this. Craig Button was tweeting about this before. This was the NHL getting rid of one loophole and adding another. They might be able to close this but it could very well open another.

I was typing this an hour ago and never clicked submit so sorry for the delay if there has been other responses.

TMoore4075 03-29-2016 01:11 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IsszeC9MG0

This is both hilarious and slightly awkward.

dmbetc 03-29-2016 01:18 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16351510)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IsszeC9MG0

This is both hilarious and slightly awkward.
Was watching last night - felt like I was watching Gladiator or something.

Lcsulla 03-29-2016 01:35 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 16351471)
Hey. No need for the unnecessary shot!
Actually it was just a retaliation to an unfounded critique on Panarin. I have never said a bad thing about Gostisbehere but the Phillie fans acting like he is the defensive equivalent of Wayne Gretzky is getting a bit much. Yeah, is is a damn good player who has pushed himself into the mix of Calder candidates but saying he deserves the award just for lacing on his skates and playing solid D while contributing in the offensive zone is ridiculous. Handful of more games left (and the always fun media vote) before we know who wins.

Brohan_Santana 03-29-2016 01:41 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16350563)
As promised, the selfie. For you, hairy legs

I'm the goober on the right. My man Bobalew is to the left

https://m.imgur.com/mbK5uIz
Nice pic. Cool you guys were able to meet up :thumbsup

~Crashintome89~ 03-29-2016 01:42 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16351559)
Actually it was just a retaliation to an unfounded critique on Panarin. I have never said a bad thing about Gostisbehere but the Phillie fans acting like he is the defensive equivalent of Wayne Gretzky is getting a bit much. Yeah, is is a damn good player who has pushed himself into the mix of Calder candidates but saying he deserves the award just for lacing on his skates and playing solid D while contributing in the offensive zone is ridiculous. Handful of more games left (and the always fun media vote) before we know who wins.
when the hell did anyone act like Ghost was the defensive equivalent of Wayne Gretzky?

guess what? If the Blackhawks don't have Panera this season, they would still be good.

If the Flyers don't bring up Ghost because Streit got injured, guess what? They wouldn't be good.

Brohan_Santana 03-29-2016 01:45 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16351216)
baseball is so boring, why would I be a fan of something boring?

Panera plays with Patrick Kane or whoever. Anyone can score when they play with those guys. Plus, Panera is like 33 years old.
Ghost & Panarin are both pretty old for rookies now a days

Bron Yr Aur 03-29-2016 01:47 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16351419)
Ghost clearly the best rookie ever. I don't care how biased I am. He literally changes games more than any scoring forward could right now.
But is he one of the top 250 players right now?

kev87lads 03-29-2016 02:06 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 16351584)
But is he one of the top 250 players right now?
125th in points.

#garageleague

Lcsulla 03-29-2016 02:07 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16350517)
:hump :hump :hump

What an awesome night this is

Getting your credit card ready?

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...160525774.html

Roose13 03-29-2016 02:13 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16351351)
Not really IMO, they compliment each other and look at Kane's numbers - his production is up in a large part due to playing on a line with Panarin. Plus, well, Phillie is not all that good at any major sport, when was the last title any team from Phillie won - the 08 World Series? :lol
You know, if it weren't for the Blackhawks, Chicago would be in a worse drought. Not like your city is title town either, bud.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 02:19 PM
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I love this argument since I just spent time in both Chicago and Philly. I personally love both cities. They each have their good and bad qualities for sure!

Roose13 03-29-2016 02:20 PM
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Both are totally great cities. I really wanna visit Chicago btw. My girlfriend said it's an amazing city.

UCFish 03-29-2016 02:21 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16351641)
You know, if it weren't for the Blackhawks, Chicago would be in a worse drought. Not like your city is title town either, bud.
Bulls kind of won most years when I was growing up.

kev87lads 03-29-2016 02:22 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16351641)
You know, if it weren't for the Blackhawks, Chicago would be in a worse drought. Not like your city is title town either, bud.
I was going to go there in my post too, but they had the one WS in 2005 with their second baseball team which softened the 98-10 drought for their city.

Roose13 03-29-2016 02:26 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Man, I forgot all about the White Sox and psychotic Ozzie Guillen.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 02:30 PM
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So I am looking at the standings for the Wild Card right now.

What does everyone think? Who gets in and who misses?

EAST: I like NYI and Philly to get in as the WC. Boston holds as well. I think the Wings schedule is too hard. I will change my opinion if they beat Philly and Boston though.

WEST: I think the Wild have it down now. Aves are hanging around, but I think they have too far to climb. Also, Colorado's schedule is insane to end the year. Wild have a much easier path.

aeroshady 03-29-2016 02:31 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 16351666)
Man, I forgot all about the White Sox and psychotic Ozzie Guillen.
I always thought it was funny how the White Sox win got over shadowed by the Red Sox winning the year before. It had been even longer for the White Sox too if I recall haha

UCFish 03-29-2016 02:36 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
No one cares about the White Sox.

Roose13 03-29-2016 02:36 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16351679)
I always thought it was funny how the White Sox win got over shadowed by the Red Sox winning the year before. It had been even longer for the White Sox too if I recall haha
Yea, the White Sox went from 1917-2005 to win a World Series and Boston went from 1918-2004 :lol

I also love how the fact the Cubs still haven't won overshadows the White Sox winning 11 years ago :lol


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