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Pretty cool commercial, especially because of who they chose to be the first coach you see.

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.asp...made&id=540877

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Yeah I'd take Leddy for that price too over Petry. Maybe Petry will work out nicely there. Lets face it, he's been on a pretty shitty team for years. But still, that price? The players sure have the GM's by the balls. And then in a few years, the owners will be crying poor again. I go back to Green. He's gonna get huge money. It's things like this that make it hard for the Wings to improve their D through free agency. Not that I want them to overspend on a Mike Green but GMs give money to guy like Petry it drives up the price on the good ones and (thankfully) Ken Holland won't pay those prices. So we think Green gets $7mil-ish per, as a cap hit? So (at least in terms of cap hit) he could be making as much as Weber....wow. I know someone will come in and say well Weber got a 14 year deal and won't play till the end and blah blah blah, but still, same cap hit roughly for those 2 players?

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Fucked pumped!!!!

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Timonen in 6

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Is this some new position this old guy doesn't know about? ;-)

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where's a good spot to watch the game in Manhattan?

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Oh man, there's actually hockey tonight. It's about damn time. Gonna miss the game though, taking my dog to "pups in the park" at the Nationals game with my fiancee. If there's no rain delay (and that's a big "if"), I hope to be home for the third period.

At least Mark Buehrle is pitching for the Blue Jays. He works really fast.

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Find the biggest Rangers bar and wear all your Hawks shit.

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Well why even try to have the discussion if you are going to dismiss one of the most important parts of the argument. Comparing players based solely on their cap hit and ignoring (a) when they signed, (b) how long their deal is, (c) total value of the contract is just ludicrous.

Shea Weber signed that deal 3 years ago. He was making $14m per year the first few seasons.....it's just pointless to compare that to whatever Green will get just because the cap hits are similar.

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lol classic lockman.

Really?? So he's going to be playing at 38, 39, 40 when he has already made $65m+ (90%) of his contract.

Not to mention, yeah Keith is looking amazing right now. We'll see how he ages. The number of guys who keep this up into their late 30's you can count on one hand.

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Fine I'll put it in a way you can see it. PK Subban will be making $9mil while Mike Green is probably getting 7-8mil. 5 more years until the next lockout when the NHL cries poor and the PA says how they don't make enough money.

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Yes he will. So will Zetterberg, Hossa, Weber and so will Franzen, or at worst they'll somehow get hurt and be on LTIR. They won't fuck over the teams. Maybe before the new CBA they would have retired since there was no penalty but I don't see any of those guys screwing over the teams by retiring early. If he can still play why wouldn't he play for the money? He's gonna say "I can still play but I don't want to play a game I love for $2mil because I've got most of my money already."

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I've been walking around all day in my Hawks jersey. "you guoys shud be playin hair tonight" - in reference to my Kane jersey. I said "we should have played here last night too"

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You are siding with the much much richer owners who will be crying that the players (you know, the guys who everyone shows up / tunes in to watch) are asking for a larger slice of the pie.

Not to mention, who is authorizing their GM's to be making these deals anyway? :confused

If you made $100,000 a year for 10 years at your job and and then had the option of continuing for three more years making $20,000 per year or just quitting and being able to see your kids all the time and doing whatever the fuck else you wanted, which would you choose?

We will see what happens with these guys. Maybe they play, maybe they don't, maybe they just end up being too damn terrible to put out on the ice when they are that old.

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Guesses on the Conn Smyth?

If Tampa wins I think Johnson or Stamkos has the inside track
If Chicago wins I think Keith or Toews are the favorites

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Yes and yes. I'd go with Johnson if it's Tampa. They are done in round one without him.

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If TB wins, they should give it to the Triplets. All of 'em. I heard somewhere that they've scored something like 28 of TB's 50 goals this postseason.

Keith should definitely take it in Chicago. Toews is the bigger star, so wouldn't be surprised if it ended up going to him. And certainly, his play merits it. But man, Keith has been even better than his normally excellent self this postseason.

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If Chicago wins, it's Keith or Toews no doubt.

If TB wins, I think it's more up in the air. To this point, I'd give it to Johnson. But if they beat Chicago, it may be because Bishop stands on his head, so I could see him winning it based on his performance in the Final.

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Not sure either of the goalies should be in contention to be honest. This is not a trophy for just the final series but the entire playoffs and lets be honest, both Crawford and Bishop had had some really bad games. The other guys I noted have been pretty damn consistent!

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Should be Keith if Hawks win. Just the sheer minutes he has played against great opposition. Not to mention scoring a couple huge goals in round 1.

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As of today, it's gotta be Johnson and Keith as the front runners. 19! 19! 19! has been phenomenal as well, but Keith is playing the best hockey of his career.

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Hawks in 6

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http://www.theplayerstribune.com/mik...ng-blackhawks/

This is freakin awesome.

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Finally watching Of Miracles and Men today in preparation of tonight.

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Tampa in 7

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Toews is the betting favorite the last I looked. Keith was like 5-1.

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1) Yes, I do. The fact that you think Keith is going to bail on Chicago and, more importantly, hockey because he's already made money is hilarious and shows your ignorance big time. Did Selanne retire because he already was rich? Lidstrom? Ray Bourque? No, so, just stop. This is hockey, not the NBA/NFL.

2) Keith will be one of those "guys you can count on one hand", even though that's an inaccurate statement too. Lidstrom, Bourque, Selanne, Iginla, Jagr, Whitney, Modano, etc. all played strongly into their mid/late 30s. I think Keith is going to age a LOT like Lidstrom, who was still great at 40.

And for the sake of argument, let's assume that Keith starts to slow down in 5 years. Let's assume that in 2021-2022 Duncs is a step or two slow, and doesn't age well (which is a ridiculous thing to think, considering all evidence to the contrary, considering he's physically a freak). Right now, Jeff Petry is getting contracts with a cap hit of $5.5, the same as Duncan Keith. You really think that the cap isn't going to be at like $95-$100m then? And a $5.5m cap hit is basically the norm?

AND EVEN IF THE CAP DOESN'T GO UP, the point is to win Stanley Cups, right? And right now, the Hawks are in the Cup Finals for the 3rd time in 6 years, and a lot of that has to do with getting the best defenseman in the league at a cap hit half of what he's worth, as well as Marian Hossa a couple million less than he's worth. Keith could EASILY be worth a cap hit of $9-$10m. Hossa could EASILY be $8m. So you're saving $7m total on the cap because of these hilarious cap circumventing contracts. Right now, the Hawks are getting Hjalmarsson and Keith for the price the Habs are getting Subban.

So worst case scenario, even if the Hawks get totally ass fucked by Hossa and Keith (which they won't, the two of them love and have way too much respect for the organization AND hockey then to fuck them with early retirement), the Hawks were still able to get two elite talents at ridiculously low cap hits to allow them to build a team with ridiculous depth for about a decade and potentially win a ton of Stanley Cups.

So even the worst case scenario, you dominate for a decade and get ass fucked for a couple years, which isn't really an ass fucking, because the cap ceiling will be nearly triple digits by then.

Soooooo...yeah :lol

Keith is the best contract in the NHL. By far.

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Seems like Keith is a good bet, then.

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19! 19! 19! 19! has definitely been more noticeable to the average hockey watcher. Part of the nature of Keith's position is to not be noticed.

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His 2nd period against Anaheim in game 6 might have been the best 20 minutes I've ever seen by a defenseman.