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So what are people's thoughts on the Laughton hit last night. I use the term hit loosely as it was mainly a shove

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clean but unfortunate

hope he's ok

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Unfortunate accident

edit: not really an accident I guess, as Carlson did shove him. But there wasn't intent and the result was accidental

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so I missed a lot in the last 24 hours I see.....wow.

Yeah it was a shove like you would probably do any other time he just fell awkwardly. I turned the game on right after it happened and thought "holy shit what happened?"

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I missed all hockey last night. No idea what happened outside the scores. Don't like that.

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I agree, that is appropriate and just. Stupid thing for Shaw to do and I hope he grows from it.

Agreed.

Is it possible you are mistaking an excuse for an explanation?

Yeah, count myself in with this as well. Sure I occasionally hear it in some of my over 30 leagues where I am playing with guys in their 30's, 40's and 50's but it is few and far between. I cannot defend Shaw at all he should know better. When he was born I was a junior in HS and we got away with any language that was not a four letter word swear. Shaw should be aware of how sensitive these things are because his formative years (so to speak) were in the height of the authorities cracking down on these things like homosexual slurs, hate crimes, political correctness, multi-culturalism, etc, etc.

One of the main reasons they won.

Perhaps you Flyer fans were correct in saying Holtby's choice in food would be detrimental and also maybe his teammates had similar lunches or dinners! :lol

Yeah, I too am superstitious - my Kane jersey is now shelved for the season, I will now watch the games with either my white Toews, my red Keith or even my age old red Roenick one!

Yeah, I think they are cooked too.

Little bit of a shove but nothing major IMO.

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so you're saying that being a professional athlete is an "explanation" for being socially unaware and/or ignorant?

i don't buy it

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No, you are mistaking what I mean. I am talking about the apology itself, perhaps it was not an excuse but rather an explanation. Guy knows he is in hot water so an excuse would be dumb since the league and all the special interest groups can easily look over his past statements, conduct and other things he has said or done during games. To the best of my knowledge he has never done anything remotely like that so perhaps he was sincere and just explaining his actions.

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but what did he explain? i mean, first he says "he doesn't remember" what he said and then he apologizes for letting "emotions getting the best" of him

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I have no problem with it. It was a routine hockey play. That shove doesn't make a difference if Laughton isn't cutting across or loses an edge. Hope he's okay.

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Mother fuck yes. Philly doesn't shit about cheesesteaks. Whitehouse Subs in Atlantic City is nearly 100 years old and famous because of one thing - their fucking cheesesteak.

Also had a badass cheesesteak in Hoboken once. It was a NY style with the bread, flank steak and provolone cheese. Perfect.

Hey, I'm fat and a cheesesteak connosuer so my opinion is very valid :lol:lol

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An explanation doesn't = an excuse for being ignorant. It just explains why he's ignorant. No one is saying it excuses him from facing repercussions or that he shouldn't feel remorse for what he said.

When you look at sports, they are inherently more insensitive and ignorant to social issues. They are manly institutions that are rooted in the bigotry of our country during the 18-1900's. That stuff has trickled through to today. Be it equating player safety when sliding into bases to "wearing dresses" like the Blue Jays manager did, equating women to weakness. Or players using the term fag as an insult, whether it's in hockey or in basketball when Rondo did it earlier this year.

That's actually how shit is, it's not an excuse, it's an explanation.

His emotions probably did get the best of him, and his natural reaction was to yell an insult, a word that's been regularly thrown around in locker rooms as an insult for decades. I'm not saying that makes it right, it's just what happened.

He's been suspended, fined, made public statements and then when out of his way to find a homosexual member of the media afterwards to apologize and tell him that's not the kind of guy he is. What else are you expecting from him?

On another note the conversation around "fag" always reminds me of this South Park episode

http://youtu.be/yskrelBCD0g

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A couple takes:

-Laughton hit was scary but nothing dirty. Just a shove and he caught an edge. Just a dangerous part of the ice.

-Good for Shaw. It doesn't matter if he knows he has to see that reporter in the next years or not. That takes being a grown up. I've been in his situation before having said stuff that I should never have in the heat of the moment and I've felt awful after. I like Shaw as a player and I hope he grows from it.

-Schenn a dirty player? Shut the fuck up Brohan, seriously. Go learn what a Gordie Howe hat trick is and then maybe the adults will let you sit at the big table.

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So you think the apology was insincere? Have you never gotten really pissed off and started yelling only to subsequently forget the exact words you used? Emotions have never gotten the best of you and brought out the worst in you? I thought the apology was sincere and to the point - hopefully he grows from what he did.

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Agreed on both counts. Hopefully he learns and matures from this.

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i'm sure it was sincere, and i know we are a society that loves 2nd chances. which is fine. i'm just saying that part of being a professional it to NOT let your emotions get the best of you to the point where you're shouting homophobic slurs

sure, i've regretted saying some things before but i can't think of a time where shortly after it happened i completely forget what i said. i don't believe he forgot what he said for one minute

and yea, i'm glad he apologized. it was the right thing to do at that point. i'm just not going to give him a free pass and brush it off as an "explanation". thats all im saying

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Equal in every way to the one on Orpik.

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Fair enough, lets move on and hope he learned his lesson.

As for meltdowns - I recall a soccer game I played in HS where we lost to a very inferior team in OT during a rainstorm. I was 18 and some reporter came up to my soaking wet and muddy ass and he asked me how I felt. I snapped and ranted every curse I could think of in a matter of 45 seconds. 10 minutes later I knew I had flown off the handle due to frustration but I had no idea exactly what I said.

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Ok so everyone agrees on Laughton, good. So if the Flyers win Game 5 how much worry will Caps fans feel?

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:thumbsup

Kings v. Sharks was fun to watch last night. always like the atmosphere in the Shark Tank for the playoffs, especially against L.A.

it's not that the Kings look terrible, but the Sharks are a terrible matchup for the Kings this year. They skate better, possess the puck better and are just cleaner all around (line changes, special teams etc)

glad i stayed up to watch the whole game though

fucking playoffs make me so tired for work :lol

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they should feel a lot if that happens because the last thing they need is to go BACK to philly

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The Sharks have looked great. Crazy thing is, aside from the goalie situation which is completely different, there really hasn't been too many major roster changes since last season. I think it just took a fundamental attitude change. You can tell DeBoer really has them believing in themselves and in the system.

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My head will be mildly concerned. My heart will go to some dark places.

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yea i agree...i also think a factor is that the Kings are closer to last year's non-playoff team than they are to the 2014 Cup team

they are a year older, a step slower, and lack the fire power the comeback from a big deficit

i thought L.A.'s first goal should've been overturned last night as well. looked like interference to me

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He'll have to do it quick. I don't think he'll be around very much longer.

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summary of last night

-no bracelets, just t shirts
-gotta say having been to a couple playoff games before in the lots and concourse before the game this did not feel like a playoff game at all. atmosphere was very blah. Ghost goal energized everyone .
-having not agreed with bringing in Neuvirth, he played great
-that 3rd pd was unreal as far as the ice tilt. Our seats are on the side of the ice the Flyers shoot at twice and I swear there was no action in our zone for more than a total of 2 minutes of the entire 3rd. if that game went 2 mins longer caps woulda tied it... and prob ended the series in OT. Flyers have a tendency to play defensive with a lead and it usually hurts them.
-Laughton hit was scary. hope hes alright
-Someone called Schenn dirty??? I thought all of his hits looked clean. he was just hitting everything in sight.
-manning layed Wilson outtttt late in the 3rd, which I got a kick out of since Wilson a shift or 2 earlier was pulling some nonsense in a scrum around the net

I was pleasantly surprised that the Flyers won.. I thought they would have no energy and the caps would put them out of their misery. Now if they are to win tomorrow night, there will be a ton of pressure on the Caps having to go back to philly for game 6.

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Agreed, some of those west coast games do not end until well after midnight on the east coast. Hell, I remember a couple of the Hawks/Ducks games in the conference finals last year going to 2 or 3 OT's and I was brewing coffee at midnight so I wouldn't doze off and miss the end which generally ended after 2am here!

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oh my god you make it sound like he has a terminal illness

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it's after 1:00 AM for me!

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Wait, your location says Pittsburgh, aren't you eastern standard time like I am?