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barbogast 03-18-2016 11:05 AM

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I don't really think the market a player plays in factors in all that much. I mean, the last 5 winners have come from Colorado, Florida and Carolina. Not exactly huge market teams. Colorado, kinda I guess.

Lcsulla 03-18-2016 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16339380)
I don't really think the market a player plays in factors in all that much. I mean, the last 5 winners have come from Colorado, Florida and Carolina. Not exactly huge market teams. Colorado, kinda I guess.

I would say it is the team success that drives the bias more than the market.

TMoore4075 03-18-2016 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16339380)
I don't really think the market a player plays in factors in all that much. I mean, the last 5 winners have come from Colorado, Florida and Carolina. Not exactly huge market teams. Colorado, kinda I guess.

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16339385)
I would say it is the team success that drives the bias more than the market.

Yeah. On my biased side I look at 2003. Zetterberg scored 22 goals and 44 points for the 2nd best team in the West while Barret Jackman scored a total of 19 points and a +23 for the 5th seeded Blues and Jackman won the Calder. I think people said "Well look at the team Zetterberg played with." Which I can turn that around and say he was able to get ice time and score those goals with all the super stars that team had.

Lcsulla 03-18-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16339394)
Yeah. On my biased side I look at 2003. Zetterberg scored 22 goals and 44 points for the 2nd best team in the West while Barret Jackman scored a total of 19 points and a +23 for the 5th seeded Blues and Jackman won the Calder. I think people said "Well look at the team Zetterberg played with." Which I can turn that around and say he was able to get ice time and score those goals with all the super stars that team had.

Completely agree, that was a joke of a vote, heck Zetterberg only placed third behind Jackman and Nash. Jackman only tallied 19 points while Nash had 39 and Zetterberg had 44. It is like these voters are either drunk or bought off.

On the plus side it is great for the game to have a crop of rookies like we have this year. Reminds me of 2007 when you had Kane, Backstrom, Cogliano, Toews, Staal, Lucic, Dubinsky and Price all making immediate impacts

Lcsulla 03-18-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16339378)
For example, I'd love to see what the Calder talk would be like if Max Domi played for the Hawks, Rangers, etc. instead of the Coyotes.

Not sure he see enough ice time to even be in the conversation to be honest.

fonzz41 03-18-2016 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16339428)
Not sure he see enough ice time to even be in the conversation to be honest.

3rd in rookie scoring with 45 points on a team like the Coyotes should make him at least part of the conversation.

The ice time stat... eh. It's a few seconds behind Larkin and still at 16 minutes a game. On a Dave Tippett-coached team that loves to roll lines fairly evenly, that's about right. And that should make his point totals all the more impressive.

I wouldn't put him in my top 3 rookies this season, but he's right up there. The point I was making is that I think playing for a team like the Coyotes has kept him out of a spotlight he'd probably be more in if he played for a larger market team (and was playing at an equal level).

fonzz41 03-18-2016 01:36 PM

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I loved seeing Jackman get the Calder. For obvious reasons.

TMoore4075 03-18-2016 02:12 PM

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I loved seeing Jackman get the Calder. For obvious reasons.

I don't care about your homosexual tendencies.

fonzz41 03-18-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16339647)
I don't care about your homosexual tendencies.

Oh sorry, I phrased that wrong.

Meant to say, "I loved seeing Jackman get MY Calder."

barbogast 03-18-2016 06:43 PM

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Pretty damn good win for the Caps tonight

kev87lads 03-18-2016 08:01 PM

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Good god Kaner. #backhandsauce

Lcsulla 03-18-2016 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16339873)
Pretty damn good win for the Caps tonight

Yeah, appreciate that one knocking off Nashville. My concern for Washington is they seemingly always allow the first goal and have to come back. Hopefully Calgary can hold on too and do me another favor.

So that is what getting 2 points feels like, I had almost forgotten! Very classy homecoming for Ladd between the video celebration of his time up there and then again the fans were on their feet cheering when he scored.

Good day all around so far from my perspective, only thing I am not happy about is finding out that Seguin is going to miss the rest of the season with a partially torn achilles tendon.

fonzz41 03-19-2016 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16339922)
Yeah, appreciate that one knocking off Nashville. My concern for Washington is they seemingly always allow the first goal and have to come back. Hopefully Calgary can hold on too and do me another favor.

Lol, wut? You worried the Avs will catch the Hawks? Don't be, my friend.

Lcsulla 03-19-2016 07:49 AM

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Lol, wut? You worried the Avs will catch the Hawks? Don't be, my friend.

Nah, it is not that I am concerned about them catching the Hawks - I think it is mathematically impossible. That said I would rather not face them in a first round series. Not that I think they will make much noise in the playoffs if they get in but they may be one of those trap teams (like the Wild or Preds) that could turn it on for one series and knock off a legit contender.

fonzz41 03-19-2016 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16340055)
Nah, it is not that I am concerned about them catching the Hawks - I think it is mathematically impossible. That said I would rather not face them in a first round series. Not that I think they will make much noise in the playoffs if they get in but they may be one of those trap teams (like the Wild or Preds) that could turn it on for one series and knock off a legit contender.

Yeah, if any lower seeded team could give the Hawks trouble, it may just be the Avs. Best case scenario would be for the Avs to stay in 8th and the Stars in first. I would much rather face the Stars than the Hawks or Kings.

JRS1386 03-19-2016 09:25 AM

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Huge game at 1 today. Lets go Flyers!

TMoore4075 03-19-2016 10:02 AM

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How is this game not on national tv?

~Crashintome89~ 03-19-2016 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16340087)
How is this game not on national tv?

so dumb. NBC has like drag racing or motocross too.

JRS1386 03-19-2016 10:11 AM

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What a beautiful three on one by the Flyers stopped by the stupid Flower

JRS1386 03-19-2016 10:22 AM

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Can't believe Giroud has the most points in the NHL in the past 5 seasons

TMoore4075 03-19-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16340089)
so dumb. NBC has like drag racing or motocross too.

Yeah a bunch of crap on NBC, NBCSN and the NHLN. I know there are a bunch of rules to nationally televise a game but come on NHL.

JRS1386 03-19-2016 11:09 AM

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Flyers!!!!

JRS1386 03-19-2016 11:10 AM

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Well that lead was short lived

Lcsulla 03-19-2016 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16340068)
Yeah, if any lower seeded team could give the Hawks trouble, it may just be the Avs. Best case scenario would be for the Avs to stay in 8th and the Stars in first. I would much rather face the Stars than the Hawks or Kings.


Yeah, the Avs are a pesty team. The are not all that great but could conceivably give a good team trouble, maybe drag out a series to 6 or 7 games or even win - though they don't have the talent to make any sort of deep run IMO.

Hell, I would rather face Dallas in the first round, their defense is not very solid at all, their goaltending is hit or miss on any given night and lastly you will be facing a team who will just be getting Seguin back from injury so you really cannot predict how effective he will be when he comes back.

JRS1386 03-19-2016 11:40 AM

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God damn Flyers playing with no energy and getting outplayed and out hustled by the Penguins

Lcsulla 03-19-2016 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16340087)
How is this game not on national tv?

No idea, it is a marquee matchup with playoff considerations for two rival teams. This should be the game of the day for the NHL network IMO.

Dramageek 03-19-2016 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16340116)
God damn Flyers playing with no energy and getting outplayed and out hustled by the Penguins

The Pens have owned the second period this season against everyone.

Lot of hockey left, though.

That third goal will not help your situation, though.

TMoore4075 03-19-2016 11:45 AM

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Yeah Pens. Now don't let up in the third.

JRS1386 03-19-2016 12:20 PM

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Some inconsistent bullshit with the refs in this game

JRS1386 03-19-2016 12:43 PM

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What the fuck is this horeshit. Not that it won't mean much but come on refs, you sucked all night and this is just a kick in the nuts


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