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barbogast 02-05-2015 08:59 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
:lol I actually did open that article and meant to comment but got involved in an Evander Kane comment. Timonen is a beast. So great to see he's gonna give it a go. Best of luck to him, just too bad he's coming back to a Flyers team that doesn't have much chance at the post season this year.

edit: to Roose

barbogast 02-05-2015 09:00 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by socopithy (Post 15806073)
He's not a machine, he's stupid.

:thumbsdow

socopithy 02-05-2015 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806076)
:thumbsdow


Don't get me wrong, I respect him. How can you not?

But it doesn't sound like a risk he should be taking at this time. What's the upside, and how is it worth it?

barbogast 02-05-2015 09:04 PM

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Fair point, especially since, like I said, the Flyers just simply aren't having a great season. But I still respect the hell out of him for giving it a shot.

lockman21 02-05-2015 09:09 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 15806013)
No Evander Kane talk? Read ths to get up to speed

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/k...ith-teammates/

This is insanity to me. I mean, he is a contract employee. A multi-million dollar investment. And he literally didn't show up to work because he didn't like that the team got upset...when he broke a rule.

This is one of the biggest stories of the year, IMO. Is this thing broken beyond repair? What do the Jets do with one of their skill guys continues to act like a punk, even though they are in the middle of their first playoff run since moving (back)? He has four years at a $5.25 million cap hit, and his production alone hasn't warranted that cap hit...then throw in his shit attitude? He's been in trouble for violating team rules before, and you guys remember this picture controversy during the lockout?

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/t...letterbox.jpeg

He shows flashes of being a superstar, but has just not lived up to the hype yet. I wonder if someone would be willing to gamble on him that's in the middle of the playoff picture. New York Islanders perhaps? I'm sure the Wild would be interested in moving Vanek for him (if he waived his NMC). Nashville? Maybe to Washington for Mike Green?

It's a crazy crazy story.

barbogast 02-05-2015 09:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15806088)
This is insanity to me. I mean, he is a contract employee. A multi-million dollar investment. And he literally didn't show up to work because he didn't like that the team got upset...when he broke a rule.

This is one of the biggest stories of the year, IMO. Is this thing broken beyond repair? What do the Jets do with one of their skill guys continues to act like a punk, even though they are in the middle of their first playoff run since moving (back)? He has four years at a $5.25 million cap hit, and his production alone hasn't warranted that cap hit...then throw in his shit attitude? He's been in trouble for violating team rules before, and you guys remember this picture controversy during the lockout?

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/t...letterbox.jpeg

He shows flashes of being a superstar, but has just not lived up to the hype yet. I wonder if someone would be willing to gamble on him that's in the middle of the playoff picture. New York Islanders perhaps? I'm sure the Wild would be interested in moving Vanek for him (if he waived his NMC). Nashville? Maybe to Washington for Mike Green?

It's a crazy crazy story.

I think the bolded is exactly why it's so disappointing to see for me. The Jets are finally at least in the conversation for the playoffs, which is a humongous mother fucking deal in Winnipeg. And one of their better offensive weapons is pulling this shit. Not sure what his end game is, but this isn't the kind of thing GM's just forget about.

As for where he may go, I sure hope it isn't Washington. Especially not for Green, though I don't think the Caps will end up moving him (nor should they at this time, imo). But that's a different conversation.

fonzz41 02-05-2015 09:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15803753)
They are going down tomorrow night though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That final score is too bad... Two empty netters makes it look worse than it was.

Cool to see MacKinnon in his first scrap. Didn't do terribly, considering he was taking on someone the size of Ericsson.

fonzz41 02-05-2015 09:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Agree with both Barbs and Chris, re: Kane. He'd make a GREAT Flyer, eh?

Speaking of, Timmo is the epitome of a hockey player.

barbogast 02-05-2015 09:36 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
I'm thinking Evander is the answer the Maple Leafs have been looking for :lol

TMoore4075 02-06-2015 04:58 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15806113)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That final score is too bad... Two empty netters makes it look worse than it was.

Cool to see MacKinnon in his first scrap. Didn't do terribly, considering he was taking on someone the size of Ericsson.

Shutout is a shutout. That's the Wings 3rd string guy right there. ;)

That hit wasn't much of one, plus MacKinnon turned into it but you gotta stand up for yourself. Showed how strong on his skates he is cause Ericsson was trying to force him down a few times.
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806112)
I think the bolded is exactly why it's so disappointing to see for me. The Jets are finally at least in the conversation for the playoffs, which is a humongous mother fucking deal in Winnipeg. And one of their better offensive weapons is pulling this shit. Not sure what his end game is, but this isn't the kind of thing GM's just forget about.

As for where he may go, I sure hope it isn't Washington. Especially not for Green, though I don't think the Caps will end up moving him (nor should they at this time, imo). But that's a different conversation.

It really is too bad. I want that team to make the playoffs. Never thought they would with the West as good as it is, but a few teams have bad years compared to last year and they are playing well, and there they are. Hope he doesn't screw this up for them. It's time to get him out. I do it by the deadline and not wait to the summer. You want to make the playoffs, you get rid of that distraction as soon as you can.

hailtopitt 02-06-2015 06:10 AM

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i wish the Penguins could pony up enough to grab Kane, but the asking price is going to be way too high :: chills ::

he'd look great on Malkin's line

barbogast 02-06-2015 06:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15806223)
It really is too bad. I want that team to make the playoffs. Never thought they would with the West as good as it is, but a few teams have bad years compared to last year and they are playing well, and there they are. Hope he doesn't screw this up for them. It's time to get him out. I do it by the deadline and not wait to the summer. You want to make the playoffs, you get rid of that distraction as soon as you can.

Exactly. Eliminate the distraction at the deadline or sooner if possible, and let your pretty underrated team focus on the task at hand. They've got a solid group of forwards up there, they'll survive without E. Kane

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15806317)
i wish the Penguins could pony up enough to grab Kane, but the asking price is going to be way too high :: chills ::

he'd look great on Malkin's line

Quite honestly, given this new development, I wouldn't want him anywhere near my hockey team. Especially since, like you said, the Jets will probably want a lot in return for a pretty big gamble

hailtopitt 02-06-2015 06:40 AM

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ehhh i just think he needs a change of scenery to be honest

his recent actions were very immature but i have a hard time believing he would act like that no matter where he was, seems like he's super upset with the Jets and is just being a baby about it

barbogast 02-06-2015 06:41 AM

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Not exactly the best precedent to be setting for yourself

swordo84 02-06-2015 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806023)
Honestly hadn't heard about him skipping the game by his own doing until now. I heard he had been healthy scratched, but hadn't heard this. That's insane. Also didn't realize he's still only 23. He's so talented, what a shame to see him developing such an attitude problem while he's still so young. Hopefully it's just not the right fit in Winnipeg, and granted I really only see him when he plays against the Caps, but he was in the Southeast for a couple years and I was always thoroughly impressed by him every time I watched him. This is really disappointing to hear about.

I get the feeling that Kane isn't going to be a 'good fit' anywhere. Just sounds like a petulant child most of the time. That being said he is only 23 so perhaps he'll grow up over the next couple of years and become that top level goal scorer he thinks he can be.

I certainly wouldn't be trading for a kid who doesn't bother to show up for a game.

hailtopitt 02-06-2015 06:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806411)
Not exactly the best precedent to be setting for yourself

yea, agreed...what a shame

poor winnipeg :(

want to see a home playoff game there so bad

will be deafening

swordo84 02-06-2015 06:56 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
More on Kane, the problem with trying to trade him now is that is was placed on the IR, and is one phone call away from season-ending surgery. Does he get traded? That's almost a certainty. Does it happen before the end of the year? Who knows...


Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15806409)
ehhh i just think he needs a change of scenery to be honest

his recent actions were very immature but i have a hard time believing he would act like that no matter where he was, seems like he's super upset with the Jets and is just being a baby about it

He's been a great team-player this year, up until this week. A self-proclaimed 50 goal scorer playing on the 3rd line and hasn't complained/bitched about it once. The whole team has (had?) bought into the team-first mentatlity and that's why they are making the playoff push that they are. It's such a weird, weird situation.

TMoore4075 02-06-2015 06:59 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 15806446)
I get the feeling that Kane isn't going to be a 'good fit' anywhere. Just sounds like a petulant child most of the time. That being said he is only 23 so perhaps he'll grow up over the next couple of years and become that top level goal scorer he thinks he can be.

I certainly wouldn't be trading for a kid who doesn't bother to show up for a game.

I do wonder if this is the case. Will he always be like this, sorta like Sean Avery was? Or will with the right scenery will he be able to change that? The right coach with the right nucleus maybe....The problem is, will a team take that chance?

hailtopitt 02-06-2015 07:07 AM

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Penguins would definitely take the chance for the right price

highly doubt the price will be right, though

TMoore4075 02-06-2015 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15806506)
Penguins would definitely take the chance for the right price

highly doubt the price will be right, though

Yeah, and I don't blame the Jets. A young talented player is still worth a lot, even with his apparent maturity issues.

aeroshady 02-06-2015 07:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806060)
Sorry Greg don't mean to keep picking your post apart but I found another hole. Hank has 0 gold medals since Quick came into the NHL. In fact they both have the same amount of Olympic medals since then, 1 silver each.

I'll actually argue that Quick didn't play for that silver. Thus it is not relevant. But yeah either way, I put those stats together while in an Advanced Calc 5 class....I chose to pay more attention to my class. Furthermore, the slight holes still don't disprove my point that Hank is as good in playoff situations.

Hilly 02-06-2015 07:21 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Grubauer is recalled from Hershey to the Caps. Caps officially unstoppable? Quite possibly.

hailtopitt 02-06-2015 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15806530)
I'll actually argue that Quick didn't play for that silver. Thus it is not relevant. But yeah either way, I put those stats together while in an Advanced Calc 5 class....I chose to pay more attention to my class. Furthermore, the slight holes still don't disprove my point that Hank is as good in playoff situations.

yea we already established that they have identical playoff numbers

all i said is that i would take Quick over Hank as my personal preference and it turned into melt city

barbogast 02-06-2015 07:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15806530)
I'll actually argue that Quick didn't play for that silver. Thus it is not relevant. But yeah either way, I put those stats together while in an Advanced Calc 5 class....I chose to pay more attention to my class. Furthermore, the slight holes still don't disprove my point that Hank is as good in playoff situations.

Haha I was just pickin at ya bud ;)

lockman21 02-06-2015 07:37 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 15806466)
More on Kane, the problem with trying to trade him now is that is was placed on the IR, and is one phone call away from season-ending surgery. Does he get traded? That's almost a certainty. Does it happen before the end of the year? Who knows...

He's been a great team-player this year, up until this week. A self-proclaimed 50 goal scorer playing on the 3rd line and hasn't complained/bitched about it once. The whole team has (had?) bought into the team-first mentatlity and that's why they are making the playoff push that they are. It's such a weird, weird situation.

This is the part I sort of disagree with. There's no way that this was just an isolated incident. He got in trouble for violating team rules in April last year. Quotes like this:

NHLJets Wheeler on rules: “There’s a standard that everyone needs to live up to. If you don’t like it then there’s other places to go."

Don't just come out because he wore a track suit to a team meeting once. This has to have been something that has been building up over time. Whether it's Kane being upset about his TOI, his linemates, or what have you...there's no way Kane has been a great teammate all year, wore a tracksuit one day, and then it became this.

barbogast 02-06-2015 07:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hilly (Post 15806536)
Grubauer is recalled from Hershey to the Caps. Caps officially unstoppable? Quite possibly.

What does this even mean?

unccrombie 02-06-2015 07:38 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15806577)
What does this even mean?

he's a goalie.
will dominate?

barbogast 02-06-2015 07:41 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15806576)
This is the part I sort of disagree with. There's no way that this was just an isolated incident. He got in trouble for violating team rules in April last year. Quotes like this:

NHLJets Wheeler on rules: “There’s a standard that everyone needs to live up to. If you don’t like it then there’s other places to go."

Don't just come out because he wore a track suit to a team meeting once. This has to have been something that has been building up over time. Whether it's Kane being upset about his TOI, his linemates, or what have you...there's no way Kane has been a great teammate all year, wore a tracksuit one day, and then it became this.

Yeah, the more I learn about the situation it's starting to sound like Kane just has an attitude problem and, for whatever reason, puts himself in the spotlight by pulling all this BS instead of letting his on ice play put him in the spotlight. That's not a very good thing to see from a young player like him.

barbogast 02-06-2015 07:41 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 15806581)
he's a goalie.
will dominate?

:lol still not following

~Crashintome89~ 02-06-2015 07:45 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15806117)
Agree with both Barbs and Chris, re: Kane. He'd make a GREAT Flyer, eh?

Speaking of, Timmo is the epitome of a hockey player.

If Evander Kane ever puts on a jersey with the Flyers crest on it, I give up.


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