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aeroshady 05-25-2014 05:58 PM
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There are a lot of great bars, it really depends on where your hotel is. I live in the Loop, so I like to watch on Madison if I'm going out for the game. Beer Biestro, Crossroads, Old 5th, Third Rail Tavern and probably the best option West End are all within walking distance of each other. Johnny's Icehouse East is right there too, so if you want to watch some sloppy Men's league hockey, I have a game late Tuesday night (although it might be at Johnny's West now that I think about it).

Get some food in Greek Town, probably Pegasus. Giordanos is the best deep dish option.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.
Great advice thanks man, yeah I will shoot you a pm when we get closer! We leave tomorrow morning!

dmbetc 05-25-2014 05:59 PM
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Chris, any update on you being in LA for the game(s)?

lockman21 05-25-2014 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15358007)
Chris, any update on you being in LA for the game(s)?
I plan on it! I fly standby so it all depends on how the loads to LAX are. I'm off work until mid-June so the only thing holding me back would be full or oversold flights to LAX.

dmbetc 05-25-2014 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15358034)
I plan on it! I fly standby so it all depends on how the loads to LAX are. I'm off work until mid-June so the only thing holding me back would be full or oversold flights to LAX.
Cool, let me know. I'll be there tomorrow. Do you still have my #?

lockman21 05-25-2014 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15358003)
Great advice thanks man, yeah I will shoot you a pm when we get closer! We leave tomorrow morning!
Nice! For business or pleasure? Where you flying out of?

aeroshady 05-25-2014 06:24 PM
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Bad turn over becomes costly...

aeroshady 05-25-2014 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15358042)
Nice! For business or pleasure? Where you flying out of?
Pleasure, I am driving with the GF out to Colorado. Making Chicago a fun stop on the way!

Balor3012 05-25-2014 06:47 PM
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Hey now!

aeroshady 05-25-2014 06:49 PM
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Huge goal at the end there!!

aeroshady 05-25-2014 07:11 PM
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Habs are diving all over this ice....

aeroshady 05-25-2014 07:13 PM
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Fuck that, how much did Montreal pay the refs??

Perch1019 05-25-2014 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 15358115)
Fuck that, how much did Montreal pay the refs??

It's embarrassing for the league. Rangers getting called for everything and the Habs can't do anything wrong. The acting is pathetic. These guys get touched they launch forward or back like they were shot

Doesn't help that they can't finish on this fucking goalie.

~Crashintome89~ 05-25-2014 07:27 PM
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Big congrats to the Edmonton Oil Kings who won the Memorial Cup today. They've played a ton of hockey in the past two weeks, and they deserved the win. Last season they lost a player who died in a drowning accident. The team had his jersey on the ice during the Cup celebration. Pretty classy. Henrik Samuelson, son of Ulf, had a huge game today as well, scoring five points.

aeroshady 05-25-2014 07:37 PM
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Rangers desperately need more shots. I am worried...this game is the series in my opinion...

dmbetc 05-25-2014 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15358132)
Big congrats to the Edmonton Oil Kings who won the Memorial Cup today. They've played a ton of hockey in the past two weeks, and they deserved the win. Last season they lost a player who died in a drowning accident. The team had his jersey on the ice during the Cup celebration. Pretty classy. Henrik Samuelson, son of Ulf, had a huge game today as well, scoring five points.
Watched the semi final game where they went into 3 OT. I wanted Guelph Storm to win though as that's Dustin's old team. But that is really aweseome that they did that. :thumbsup

lockman21 05-25-2014 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 15358041)
Cool, let me know. I'll be there tomorrow. Do you still have my #?
Yep! I'll give you updates as we get closer.

aeroshady 05-25-2014 08:20 PM
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I have no words!!!!!! YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!

~Crashintome89~ 05-25-2014 08:21 PM
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What a laser by St. Louis.

dmb8 05-25-2014 08:22 PM
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Deserved win for the Rangers!! Salivating in Montreal, let's go!!
20 year Anniversary of 1994 :monkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIGGPqdRX6g

YankeesDMB41 05-25-2014 08:25 PM
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Doc Emrick is so good at his job, I could listen to him all day

fonzz41 05-25-2014 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by daveshookme (Post 15353996)
I'm on board for this. If carcillo gets 10, prust should at least get the series.
Kinda old news by now, but still wanted to comment... I kinda disagreed with any supplemental discipline at all, and I'm usually an avid supporter of longer suspensions. I saw a very late (and therefore dangerous) hit, but I was surprised he got suspended. His arms were down, he didn't leave his feet, and he didn't target the head. Believe me, I get that it was late and all, but I think if it were me I'd be calling a major on the ice for Interference and that's it. Wow it feels weird saying that. Really sucks to see Stepan injured though because of such a reckless play; I'm sure the suspension had a lot to do with that.

Totally cool with the 10 games for Carcillo. I don't care if it's heat of the moment or not, you cannot strike an official. As soon as you see those stripes, you gotta respect it. I know guys accidentally hit refs in scrums and stuff, but this was different. How many hockey games has Carcillo played in his lifetime? He knows how to treat refs.

Probably hard to detect from what I've written above, but I AM rooting for the Rangers to go all the way. :lol
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15356636)
Toews is clearly the greatest hockey player of all time.
Having so much fun watching him these playoffs. He grows seemingly every game. Like you said in another post, Sharp is sucking. 19! needs support
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15356713)
Big news that kinda got buried! One of the most intriguing storylines for all of next season has to be Trotz vs Ovie.
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Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 15357287)
Larry Brooks of the NY Post had this interesting thought in his recent column. Not sure what I think about it. Letang, while a great player, is seemingly always injured and not sure what the whole stroke thing will affect him long term. Islanders desperately need a #1 dman and PP QB to go with, hopefully, a healthy Visnovsky, so the talent we do have could move down a peg and be a deeper backline.

This is from the article.

So the Penguins are seeking an infusion of young talent. And Snow has made it known that the Islanders are willing to deal the fifth-overall pick in next month’s draft.
And Pittsburgh defenseman Kris Letang’s no-move/no-trade clauses do not kick in until July 1 on a contract that runs through 2021-22 at a cap hit of $7.2 Million per.
Perhaps a place to start for both franchises.

whole article here. http://nypost.com/2014/05/24/therrie...emands-review/
Not a huge Letang fan, but I like this idea. :thumbsup

His skillset would be great for a team like the Islanders.

TMoore4075 05-26-2014 07:24 AM
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Terrible idea to announce your coach Memorial Day Weekend Caps. Great hire, I like it a lot. As I said before, he's the best available guy for the TEAM. Hope it works out for them, but not too much cause of my team, and hope it works out for the stars currently on the roster. He can be a great player, even if he's not playing great D. He can score 50 without giving a shit. Imagine what he can do when he gets his head in the game.

As for the Rangers, happy they are up 3-1 even if Mary St Louis scored the ot goal. My least hated team left in the playoffs is them so...

barbogast 05-26-2014 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15358238)
Big news that kinda got buried! One of the most intriguing storylines for all of next season has to be Trotz vs Ovie.
Yeah that's what I get for breaking the news in the middle of a Hawks game. Ignored :lol

But seriously, you've said it before and I think you're right. Trotz is very much in a win-win situation in my opinion. If he can get Ovie to buy in and perform under his system, he'll be viewed as a a saint-like genius. And if Ovie continues to be Ovie, no one will really blame Trotz because that's just how Ovie is, and everyone knows that now. Especially if Trotz gets the rest of the team to play well, which I think he will

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15358529)
Terrible idea to announce your coach Memorial Day Weekend Caps. Great hire, I like it a lot. As I said before, he's the best available guy for the TEAM. Hope it works out for them, but not too much cause of my team, and hope it works out for the stars currently on the roster. He can be a great player, even if he's not playing great D. He can score 50 without giving a shit. Imagine what he can do when he gets his head in the game.
Well, technically it hasn't been officially "announced" yet, supposedly that is coming tomorrow. But it leaked out real hard over the weekend that that's what's going to happen.

I do think the Caps will see a better season next year under Trotz. Just not sure how much better, a lot of that depends on Ovie (broken record). I maintain that there are several quality players on the roster who weren't playing up to their abilities because of the poor coaching style of Adam Oates. I think in that regard the team will be at least better. I except a significantly different defensive style from the Caps next year.

Perch1019 05-26-2014 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15358238)
Kinda old news by now, but still wanted to comment... I kinda disagreed with any supplemental discipline at all, and I'm usually an avid supporter of longer suspensions. I saw a very late (and therefore dangerous) hit, but I was surprised he got suspended. His arms were down, he didn't leave his feet, and he didn't target the head. Believe me, I get that it was late and all, but I think if it were me I'd be calling a major on the ice for Interference and that's it. Wow it feels weird saying that. Really sucks to see Stepan injured though because of such a reckless play; I'm sure the suspension had a lot to do with that.

Totally cool with the 10 games for Carcillo. I don't care if it's heat of the moment or not, you cannot strike an official. As soon as you see those stripes, you gotta respect it. I know guys accidentally hit refs in scrums and stuff, but this was different. How many hockey games has Carcillo played in his lifetime? He knows how to treat refs.
So you think that what Carcillo did is much worse then what Prust did? He never struck the official. The guy grabbed him (which was a little aggressive to begin with) and he was pissed about it. He shouldnt have done what he did but
to say that it was worse then a guy hitting someone well after he made a play is a little much. Watch the video. Prust changed direction AFTER Stepan gets rid of the puck and levels him. Even the player safety guy said that he went for his head. Head shot or not, Prust went after him with the intent to do damage. He didnt accidentally skate into him, he made an effort to go for him.

10 games is excessive. 2 or 3 would have been fine for Carcillo. Those refs let that game get to that point.

LAA1305 05-26-2014 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Perch1019 (Post 15359066)
So you think that what Carcillo did is much worse then what Prust did? He never struck the official. The guy grabbed him (which was a little aggressive to begin with) and he was pissed about it. He shouldnt have done what he did but
to say that it was worse then a guy hitting someone well after he made a play is a little much. Watch the video. Prust changed direction AFTER Stepan gets rid of the puck and levels him. Even the player safety guy said that he went for his head. Head shot or not, Prust went after him with the intent to do damage. He didnt accidentally skate into him, he made an effort to go for him.

10 games is excessive. 2 or 3 would have been fine for Carcillo. Those refs let that game get to that point.

The outcome isn't as dangerous or worse necessarily, but the action itself may be considered worse. Also, just because he got a longer suspension (and deserved a longer suspension) doesn't automatically make it a worse infraction. Carcillo has a history, which has to be considered also.

All that aside, the hit on Stepan was terrible, no question about it -- but it wasn't a Bertuzzi/Moore-type situation. It was a very late hit and a bad hit, but it's a hit that we see a handful of times every playoffs and every now and then throughout the season.

How often do you see a player throw elbows at officials, whether they're little jabs or full-blown elbows? Never -- and there's a very good reason for that. One, it's an absolute asshole move. Two, these officials aren't hockey players meant to be taking physical shots from these guys. Also, the majority of players will tell you they appreciate how the linesman throw themselves into a fight once a guy hits the ice or has his jersey pulled over his head or is dangerously next to the glass, etc. So to be taking shots at them is absolutely ridiculous. And how does it matter that the linesman grabbed him? That's completely common and happens after almost every whistle in the postseason, not to mention every single time there is any type of fight or altercation.

Carcillo also has a history, which comes into play too. The guy is a scumbag and deserved every bit of that 10-game suspension. You don't touch the officials, period.

fonzz41 05-26-2014 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Perch1019 (Post 15359066)
So you think that what Carcillo did is much worse then what Prust did? He never struck the official. The guy grabbed him (which was a little aggressive to begin with) and he was pissed about it. He shouldnt have done what he did but
to say that it was worse then a guy hitting someone well after he made a play is a little much. Watch the video. Prust changed direction AFTER Stepan gets rid of the puck and levels him. Even the player safety guy said that he went for his head. Head shot or not, Prust went after him with the intent to do damage. He didnt accidentally skate into him, he made an effort to go for him.

10 games is excessive. 2 or 3 would have been fine for Carcillo. Those refs let that game get to that point.
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Originally Posted by LAA1305 (Post 15359080)
The outcome isn't as dangerous or worse necessarily, but the action itself may be considered worse. Also, just because he got a longer suspension (and deserved a longer suspension) doesn't automatically make it a worse infraction. Carcillo has a history, which has to be considered also.

All that aside, the hit on Stepan was terrible, no question about it -- but it wasn't a Bertuzzi/Moore-type situation. It was a very late hit and a bad hit, but it's a hit that we see a handful of times every playoffs and every now and then throughout the season.

How often do you see a player throw elbows at officials, whether they're little jabs or full-blown elbows? Never -- and there's a very good reason for that. One, it's an absolute asshole move. Two, these officials aren't hockey players meant to be taking physical shots from these guys. Also, the majority of players will tell you they appreciate how the linesman throw themselves into a fight once a guy hits the ice or has his jersey pulled over his head or is dangerously next to the glass, etc. So to be taking shots at them is absolutely ridiculous. And how does it matter that the linesman grabbed him? That's completely common and happens after almost every whistle in the postseason, not to mention every single time there is any type of fight or altercation.

Carcillo also has a history, which comes into play too. The guy is a scumbag and deserved every bit of that 10-game suspension. You don't touch the officials, period.
Perch, I was formulating a reply to your reply, but then I read LAA's and it pretty much says it. Let me know if you'd like me to elaborate further.

And no, I never said what Carcillo did was "worse" than what Prust did. I watched the video a few times (not the player safety one because I like to avoid any bias), as I always do, before commenting on it.

Nice to have new blood like you both in here. Hope you stick around even after the playoffs. Welcome.

~Crashintome89~ 05-26-2014 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Perch1019 (Post 15359066)
So you think that what Carcillo did is much worse then what Prust did? He never struck the official. The guy grabbed him (which was a little aggressive to begin with) and he was pissed about it. He shouldnt have done what he did but
to say that it was worse then a guy hitting someone well after he made a play is a little much. Watch the video. Prust changed direction AFTER Stepan gets rid of the puck and levels him. Even the player safety guy said that he went for his head. Head shot or not, Prust went after him with the intent to do damage. He didnt accidentally skate into him, he made an effort to go for him.

10 games is excessive. 2 or 3 would have been fine for Carcillo. Those refs let that game get to that point.
Carcillo threw an elbow at an official, not a player, an official.

What Prust did was terrible as well, but the precedence for these types of hits have been one or two games. Just look at the hit James Neal put on Sean Couturier in the 2012 playoffs.

I feel bad for Stepan and the Rangers, but these hits happen in the playoffs. You just have to move on from them.

fonzz41 05-26-2014 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15358599)
Yeah that's what I get for breaking the news in the middle of a Hawks game. Ignored :lol

But seriously, you've said it before and I think you're right. Trotz is very much in a win-win situation in my opinion. If he can get Ovie to buy in and perform under his system, he'll be viewed as a a saint-like genius. And if Ovie continues to be Ovie, no one will really blame Trotz because that's just how Ovie is, and everyone knows that now. Especially if Trotz gets the rest of the team to play well, which I think he will



Well, technically it hasn't been officially "announced" yet, supposedly that is coming tomorrow. But it leaked out real hard over the weekend that that's what's going to happen.

I do think the Caps will see a better season next year under Trotz. Just not sure how much better, a lot of that depends on Ovie (broken record). I maintain that there are several quality players on the roster who weren't playing up to their abilities because of the poor coaching style of Adam Oates. I think in that regard the team will be at least better. I except a significantly different defensive style from the Caps next year.
Astute points, my friend.

This is a very different situation than any the Caps have been in for a while, and that's what makes it so interesting. For one, the glamour of Ovie is starting to wear off; more and more people are less and less impressed with his game. Second, Trotz is not a new coach. Far from it, and he's known to have success where there shouldn't be any. Before, caps management and fans could use the "new" and "inexperienced" excuses for coaches and for getting rid of them. Can't do it with Trotz. He's everything the Caps need. If Ovie just soaks him in, sucks it up and decides to really lead this team, I think he will be surprised at the success the team has.

In short, because of Trotz's experience and track record - and Ovie's diminishing rep - folks are t going to rush to 8's side nearly as quickly as they have in the past.

Perch1019 05-26-2014 03:22 PM
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So i just watched the Carcillo thing again thinking maybe I saw something different when I watched it the other night. While I see him throw his arms back at the official, I also see that official race over to him and pretty much push him up against the boards for no reason. He was standing over the fight, watching, and the official skates in and grabs him. Thats not something you usually see. I play hockey, given its mens league and it never escalates to that but in the 20+ years ive played I dont think ive seen a ref go up to someone that aggressively when theyre not invovled in some kind of scrum. Im not defending Carcillo, even as a Ranger fan I know hes scum and knew he was garbage when we got him. But 10 games for that is absurd. He hardly made contact with him. If he elbowed him in the head, fine but that whole situation was a disaster the moment they let Prust slide on a hit I dont understand how anyone missed seeing happen on the ice. I could also care less if he plays again, I just think what he did VS of what Prust did isnt even on the same level.

I still think that a guy injuring someone on a play like that is heinous and shouldnt be in the game. Prust is a repeat offender too and 2 games is a joke. Anyone remember the 3 game BS Hags got in 2012 when he ran into Alfie who fell wrong and got injured? He got 3 games for that. 3. First timer too. Not to mention Prust had been quoted saying things about hurting someone after the Price incident. I hope they finish them on Tuesday because I have gained a hatred for this bush league team and their crybaby bitch of a coach that rivals any hate for any team I can remember.

barbogast 05-26-2014 03:26 PM
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Caps have promoted their former assistant GM Brian MacLellan to General Manager and officially announce Barry Trotz

http://dumpnchase.monumentalnetwork....trotz-as-coach


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