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fonzz41 06-23-2014 03:24 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15432307)
Hall of fame class is Dom (duh), Rob Blake, Mike Modano, Peter the Great, Bill McCreary and the best one in my mind, Pat Burns.

Great class :thumbsup

Bout time for Pat!

Rebecca De Mornay 06-23-2014 03:29 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Kekalainen on Hartnell: "He said ’I’m 32 years old. I have plenty of money. What I want to do more than anything now is win."

— Aaron Portzline (Aportzline)

TMoore4075 06-23-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 15432327)
:lol wings fan talking about injuries.

Horton has probably lost as many games due to injury in his career as the entire Wings team last year. ;)

JRS1386 06-23-2014 06:08 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
Well Brayden Schenn got an extension, not sure money details yet

lockman21 06-23-2014 06:12 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15432232)
:lol I wonder what gregs studio was like

It was ok, I guess. Kinda boring.

dmbetc 06-23-2014 07:26 PM

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This is an awesome video: http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...822&catid=1327

TMoore4075 06-23-2014 07:27 PM

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Alfie back for one more year and most likely back with Detroit.

dmbetc 06-23-2014 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 15432224)
kind of weird coincidence, i guess Homer fell asleep last year:
June 23rd, 2011 - Philadelphia trades Jeff Carter to Columbus for Jakub Voracek, 8th overall (Sean Couturier), and a 3rd rounder (Nick Cousins). Philadelphia trades Mike Richards and Rob Bordson to Los Angeles for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and a 2nd rounder (later traded to Dallas).

June 23rd, 2012 - Philadelphia trades James VanRiemsdyk to Toronto for Luke Schenn.

June 23rd, 2014 - Philadelphia trades Scott Hartnell to Columbus for RJ Umberger and a 4th round pick.

Just was reading this. Philly doesn't seem to have luck when trading on June 23rd.

~Crashintome89~ 06-23-2014 11:22 PM

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How Eric Lindros is not in the HHoF is mind boggling.

monkeyman68 06-24-2014 12:01 AM

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Very happy with the move. RJ is more versatile and will be able to be a contributor to the team for the length of this contract.

Hartnell's best quality is that he is good to have in the locker room. Not sure if spending 4.75 million for the next 5 years on a "glue guy" is the best allocation of said funds. Hartnell's best days are behind him. As he gets older and slower(!), he really won't have a roll on a team other than a PP "specialist" (and I use that term loosely).

RJ is getting overpaid with that contract but at least he can add something to the team when he isn't putting up points (which cannot be said about Hartnell).

At the end of the day, Hartnell and Vinny's contracts were huge albatrosses for the Flyers. Impossible for them to be serious contenders when 9.25 million/year is being eaten up by two stiffs.

Now Hexy just needs to find a sucker for Vinny's contract......

~Crashintome89~ 06-24-2014 12:02 AM

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Cannot wait for Zilla melt on acquiring Umberger.

JRS1386 06-24-2014 01:06 AM

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He doesn't know what hockey is anymore

barbogast 06-24-2014 07:01 AM

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Calle Johannson leaves Caps for "personal reasons". More like "because he's a shit defensive coach"

TMoore4075 06-24-2014 08:58 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15433446)
How Eric Lindros is not in the HHoF is mind boggling.

What will always hurt him will be the shortness of his greatness.

~Crashintome89~ 06-24-2014 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15433811)
What will always hurt him will be the shortness of his greatness.

If Cam Neely is in and Pavel Bure is in, there should be no reason why Lindros is NOT in.

He was the best player in the 90's outside of Jagr.

TMoore4075 06-24-2014 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15433927)
If Cam Neely is in and Pavel Bure is in, there should be no reason why Lindros is NOT in.

He was the best player in the 90's outside of Jagr.

True about Bure. But Cam is Sea Bass....Sea Bass.

fonzz41 06-24-2014 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15433446)
How Eric Lindros is not in the HHoF is mind boggling.

Whether or not guys get in to the HHOF these days is - for better or worse - a lot of the time based on stats and hardware. Personal skill goes into it certainly, but they seem to try to find what they feel is the right combination of excellent consistent play and accolades. It's not always the case, but that's what I've observed.

As a 7-time all-star and Hart winner, Lindros is right there. And while he was injured an awful lot, I think his 865 points in 760 games is pretty indicative of excellence. Is the shortness of his playing career playing a part in all this? Perhaps. I know the "what ifs" surrounding Lindros's career can be both frustrating and heartbreaking. You know how I'm not big on "just" stats though, so I will say that when Lindros was on and skating with his head up, the list of more dominant peers in the NHL at the time was very small.

I compare his situation a lot to Forsberg's in terms of shortness of career and "what ifs". Lindros played 13 seasons (if I'm counting correctly) compared to Forsberg's 14 (15 if you count the couple games he played for the Avs in 2011). Forsberg finished with 885 points in 708 games, 7-time all star (like Lindros), a Calder, an Art Ross, a Hart, and two Stanley Cups. Similar stats, a bit more hardware. Getting away from stats, I don't know if there was a more complete player than Forsberg when he was in his prime.

I think Lindros could make it in eventually. I'm sure this is very cynical of me, but I'm starting to gauge HHOF worthiness on the "Cicarelli Scale"... In other words, are they better than him? If so, let 'em in!

TMoore4075 06-24-2014 10:46 AM

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I thought comparing him to Peter but yeah Peter has more hardware on every level. Hell, he won the scoring race in the 2002 playoffs and only played the first 3 rounds...Guess he was making up for missing the last 2 rounds in 2001.

lockman21 06-24-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15433560)
Cannot wait for Zilla melt on acquiring Umberger.

You're looking forward to next April?

fonzz41 06-24-2014 11:56 AM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15434094)
I thought comparing him to Peter but yeah Peter has more hardware on every level. Hell, he won the scoring race in the 2002 playoffs and only played the first 3 rounds...Guess he was making up for missing the last 2 rounds in 2001.

Yeah. I like the comparison due to the overall games played, a similar career path, playing in the same era, and hype surrounding them. Hell, there's even the Philly/Quebec connection.
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15434163)
You're looking forward to next April?

Hey O!!! :lol

barbogast 06-24-2014 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15434163)
You're looking forward to next April?

:lol :lol :thumbsup


As for Lindros, that's a bit of a tough one. Like Matty said, when he was 100% and playing to his potential, he was easily one of the most dominate and effective players of his time. But he didn't really win much. Not that guys haven't gotten into the Hall without winning much, because they have. However, it's hard to argue with 865 points in 760 games. That's impressive.

The Forsberg comparison is okay, but Peter won a lot of important hardware. I would easily put Forsberg in the HOF before Lindros, but I think eventually he should get in too. That stat line combined with the eye test is enough for me. There's no denying he was one of the best true power forwards to ever hit the ice. He should get in, IMO.

fonzz41 06-24-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15434295)
:lol :lol :thumbsup


As for Lindros, that's a bit of a tough one. Like Matty said, when he was 100% and playing to his potential, he was easily one of the most dominate and effective players of his time. But he didn't really win much. Not that guys haven't gotten into the Hall without winning much, because they have. However, it's hard to argue with 865 points in 760 games. That's impressive.

The Forsberg comparison is okay, but Peter won a lot of important hardware. I would easily put Forsberg in the HOF before Lindros, but I think eventually he should get in too. That stat line combined with the eye test is enough for me. There's no denying he was one of the best true power forwards to ever hit the ice. He should get in, IMO.

As would I, certainly. I use Forsberg as a measuring stick for the reasons I mentioned above, but I wasn't trying to imply too much that they were equal players. Perhaps it's my bias shining through, but watching Forsberg play in his prime was a treat. He did EVERYTHING well EVERYWHERE on the ice. He was the perfect combination of finesse and grit, and had the attitude that you wanted on your team. Not afraid to get in people's faces, but also quietly went about doing his job. No spats with coaches, teammates, etc. (at least none that were made public). Damn, he was amazing.

Again, I use the Cicarelli rule a lot... Not a huge knock on the guy, but if I were to take all the HHOF guys and rank them, I think Dino would be at or near the bottom. It's pretty easy at that point to make a call... are they as good or better than Dino?

I do think Lindros gets in.

barbogast 06-24-2014 12:16 PM

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Yeah the Cicarelli rule is a good one. Still a little puzzled as to why he's even there, and he might even be in as a Capital. Though I think he's in as a North Star

barbogast 06-24-2014 12:17 PM

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And for the record, Peter Forsberg is a first ballot Hall of Famer. No question about it

TMoore4075 06-24-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15434335)
Yeah the Cicarelli rule is a good one. Still a little puzzled as to why he's even there, and he might even be in as a Capital. Though I think he's in as a North Star

17th all time in goals, 7th by right wingers. That's why. I mean you can argue he's not as good as other guys and others should be in ahead of him, but that's still a lot of goals.

fonzz41 06-24-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15434713)
17th all time in goals, 7th by right wingers. That's why. I mean you can argue he's not as good as other guys and others should be in ahead of him, but that's still a lot of goals.

Yep. Not saying he doesn't belong there. But again, if I'm gonna rank all the guys in the HHOF, he's definitely near the bottom. Lowest common denominator, and the perfect measuring stick IMO.

~Crashintome89~ 06-24-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15434340)
And for the record, Peter Forsberg is a first ballot Hall of Famer. No question about it

I don't think anyone was questioning that anyway. :lol

fonzz41 06-24-2014 03:17 PM

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Well, I guess this settles it: ;)

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John Buccigross ‏@Buccigross now @mthacker52: @Buccigross Lindros - HHOF?---yes for me

fonzz41 06-24-2014 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 15435042)
I don't think anyone was questioning that anyway. :lol

Igor Larionov might feel differently...

fonzz41 06-24-2014 03:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
OMG I really hope O'Reilly wins the Byng tonight.


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