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Wow, what a back read. Must have been a wild game last night haha.

Florida 2 pts behind Boston now....the Cats are stalking quietly up on them.

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The refs who didn't penalize Ovechkin last night need to get a serious reprimand. Blind bats. How is a penalty not even called on that. Joke. And I hate Letang.

Pitt was down 1 with 2:07 left and an PP. They also had 6-4 starting at 1:30. Even if Pitt gets a 2 min slashing at 19:00 they don't score anyway. Holtby was the difference in the game


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not really

Fleury was just as good as Holtby

Special teams were the difference

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So, the Wings play tonight. lol

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And no Ranger hangover for the Isles last night. It wasn't sexy but played a solid road game and took care of business. Islanders are now 13-1 when their opponents played the night before. Young legs getting it done.

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yeah that was impressive. The type of loss they had against the Rangers can sting teams for a few days, so impressed with the win by them.

Wings have one of the toughest stretches coming up. @ Hawks, Stars, Ducks, Kings, Sharks and Preds.

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I think it's time to seriously consider instituting a coach's challenge into the NHL. I know it's been talked about a little bit for a while, but I really think it's time. I mean, that was a very blatant slashing penalty. And I know linesmen can't call penalties, but we've seen on more than one occasion this year instances where the linesman interjects their perspective and a penalty call has been cancelled because of it. I think in the interest of getting it right, a coach's challenge needs to become a thing.

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even if a coach's challenge happens i doubt they'll be able to use it to challenge a penalty, replay in the other sports doesn't allow that.

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What exactly could it be used for? I mean, they already go to pretty extensive lengths to get the goal calls right

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well, exactly.

i guess they could use it for offsides or something that is actually black and white in terms of the rule.

a lot of penalties are judgement calls, hell you could probably call an elbowing penalty or a hold any time two guys battle for a puck in the corner. it would be a circus if they started reviewing stuff like that.

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Ok, yeah. Fair point. Penalties are judgement calls. And while there are instances where it's clear a call was incorrect or missed, if you open up that can of worms it could get messy.

I dunno, just a thought. Maybe a challenge wouldn't work that well in hockey

Maybe instead of a coach's challenge they could give the linesman more latitude to either make a call or say, hey orange arm bands, I think you guys got that one wrong. 4 pairs of eyes are better than 2, and linesman don't have to spend THAT much time watching the lines

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agree, the solution lies somewhere in giving the linesman more authority.

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the other issue with a challenge is it pretty much has to result in the loss of a time out if you don't win.

otherwise coaches will be using challenges on icing calls and what not just to get their team a breather.

it works well in football since teams both get 3 time outs per half so losing one is impactful but not the end of the world, it's a little bit of a bigger deal in hockey.

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Another good point. You're making a lot of sense today bud

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Yeah you couldn't use it for penalties. I mean sometimes when the player throws his head back, when the stick didn't make contact, you'd love to see it, but then you have to use it for every penalty and that won't happen.

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I don't have anything hockey wise to be happy about, but I am happy to share that my wife and I are expecting a baby boy in July :)

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Congrats. Let it be the 18th, my birthday :) so is Yakupov figuring it out finally. Picked him up today in my season long league. We'll see.

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Thanks, we're pretty excited! (due on the 12th)

No, I don't think Yak will ever figure it out, not with the Oilers anyway. He has been a mistake since the beginning. Each coach thinks they could 'fix' him, but they just need to trade him.

I think him for Gardiner (Tor) straight up would be a good one for both teams.

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Ahhhh!!!! Congrats!! So much baby love happening in here lately, a whole bunch of congrats to you both! Is this your first?!?

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https://twitter.com/odognine2/status/567723828152115200

:lol

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Glad I poked in here and saw this. I can actually cheer for the Wings over Chicago tonight and not feel bad about it anymore. That's always nice.

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Well there would have been a good coach's challenge. Hawks were offsides.

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Got away with one there.

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God, this would be a hell of a SCF. So much talent on the ice tonight.

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What a lame way to potentially end the best hockey game I've watched all year.

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Back to back own goals!!!!

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FUUUCCCKKKK YEAHHHHH!

LOL this game is unreal.

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Best game of 2014-15 I've seen yet. What a hockey game.

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Energy level through roof from the get go.

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I can't breathe.

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That was an awesome fucking 65 minutes.

Need this to be the SCF.

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I'm not even mad. That was a hell of a game. Holy fuck.

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Well fuck. Kaner had him beat. Amazing game.

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Hate the Blackhawks, but love the rivalry. What a game. Never thought we would win, in Chicago, in a shootout. Would love a SCF between these two.

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That OT is why 4on4 needs to go longer.

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That game needed to go on longer. I'm dying for a Chi/Det SCF. I'd sacrifice paychecks to see that.

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Tremendous OT that was. Great stuff.

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:lol:lol:lol Love you, Chris.

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Guys, I think Lockman really wants to see Wings/Hawks SCF

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:lol:lol:lol I nearly passed out. I'm also pretty sure my neighbors think I have really weird orgasms.

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:lol I mean...I can't understate how great of a hockey game that was. There was a point in the first period where Datsyuk picked Hossa's pocket, Hossa turned around and full out hustled back on the back of Datsyuk, PICKED HIS POCKET, and then sent the puck the other way for a 2-on-1 featuring Brandon Saad and Jonathan Toews.

I mean, if plays like that, where two of the best two-way forwards to ever play the game go toe-to-toe like that which leads to a 2-on-1 chance for two of the premier forwards in the league doesn't get your hockey boner going...I don't know what will.

It was incredible.

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Can't lose to Edmonton.

Oh I bet they can.

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It sucks the Blackhawks and Red Wings are in different conferences now.

Back to back heated games between rivals. Caps/Pens and Hawks/Wings. Hockey is getting good at a good time.


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Also. 0/23 in shootout and Edmonton wins? Bruins don't deserve a playoff spot


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http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014020091

or

http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014020301

or

http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/recap?id=2014020685

Cool story bro. Caps lost but are still in a much better position than the Bruins now. Not sure what you're getting at....


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:lol What?

You said they don't deserve a playoff spot because they lost to Edmonton. The Caps have lost to Edmonton twice this year. Not sure what you're getting at.

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Brohan's logic has sorely been missed around these parts

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That was how I felt after the isles/rag$ on Monday. Plus I was too exhausted to be mad.

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It was great all around. Both goalies were great, Howie kept the Wings in it earlier cause I felt the Hawks had the better of the chances early. Late in the game I thought the Wings controlled a lot of it. Howard looked really good for only his 3rd game back. That's two games in a row he was solid. You could also tell he was pretty psyched to get his first shootout win of the year. At least this time, unlike against the Jets, his team got him some goals. Tatar did his best Kane impression on the winner.

I'd be ok with this as a final, but Wings need to get by Tampa and/or Montreal first and they've had trouble with them. Really hope they get some help at the deadline, as long as not much of the future is sacrificed. I think they need that little push.

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Again as everyone knows, I hate shootouts in terms of being there to win a team hockey game, but I do like them from a skill standpoint. Nyquist's move, the quick fake to the backhand, was also amazing. He was able to move it so quickly to backhand and slide it in, it was amazing. Knocked Crawford right on his ass.

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:lol

Yeah, this was my first thought when I read his post. Glad you pointed it out so eloquently.

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Back in the playoff picture. Saturday's stadium game is a huge game, can't wait.

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He gave it the Kaner for sure. It was nasty.

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It is!

How have your first few days been?






Also, :lol Bruins.

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Congrats dude. Maybe by the time he's 18 the Oilers will be good again. :)
Nothing happening in my house. lol

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Really great. Riley turns one week old today. I'm holding her in my arm right now as I one handed type this. Been the best week of my life

Well yeah but you've got a handsome 4 (?) year old!

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Turns 4 in 23 days. The parents in here have already said it, I know I have, but take it all in. Feels like he was born yesterday.

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If you haven't read this yet, you should.

http://sabres.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=37210

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Aaaaand I just got thrown up all over. Nice thick one too. Being a dad fucking rocks :lol

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Wow. Yeah, really great read and beautiful tribute. Sounds like he was a hell of a good man. Such a shame he went so young

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At that age it never bothered me. He did it once in the middle of the night all over my shirt. Put him on the changing table, took shirt off, kept feeding. Amazing the things that you just shrug off that before you would have been like "fucking gross!" Sniffing ass is another. lol

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Exactly. The first time I got peed on I was like "hell yes, little girl!" :lol:lol

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That's one place where be happy it's not a boy. Always had to make sure that thing was covered.

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:lol ugh..this is bad

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Yeah I can imagine pee streams flying around uncontrollably. I don't really have to deal with that :lol

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I have been firing blanks for years now so don't look to me for the next kid.

Big game vs the preds tonight. Get to see what they are all about.

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DUDE!!!! A hearty congratulations. We are all getting so damn old... It's kind of cool that we've all been hanging out in here for as long as we have. We've all kind of watched each other grow up and it's kind of cool. :snot
I saw some new pics of him on my FB feed yesterday and I couldn't believe it. He's looking like a normal boy now... no more toddler at all!
:lol I remember when my twins were like 18 months old and one had a runny nose. Without thinking, I just reached out and wiped it with my hand. No tissue or anything. That's when I knew I was a dad for real. :lol

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To the first one, yeah it's been a while. I mean well before G was even born. I remember coming in here and talking to you guys while I was still in the hospital with him.

He's getting so big. That fact makes me want another because it goes by so fast but other things make me think i'm good.

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I love when the NHL thread gets all dad overload

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jeez, can we stop talking about babies peeing.

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Haven't been talking about you birthday boy.

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I can't WAIT until you have one. The stories we're going to get in this thread...

Hockey talk: Wouldn't mind a Hawks/Wings SCF. And as much as it hurts me to say it, I would probably go for the Wings - for Babcock, mostly. One of my all-time favorite hockey personalities.

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I will say it again. PLEASE STAY!

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Looking at the standings, didn't realize how far SJ has fallen. not even in the playoffs right now.

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SCF this year is going to be columbus and st louis.

sorry to everyone who is not a fan of either of those teams.

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:monkey:monkey

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The Flyers are only seven points out of a playoff spot. So shocking.

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Hey Matthew (crashintome), happy birthday, old timer. May all that is OMGCG permeate your every fiber, from now until forever.

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Zilla is going to melt when they make the playoffs.

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Because he's the snowball in hell?

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This.


I know. It's weird. But this.

Some of this for me as well.

This.

Happy Birthday chief.

It's weird. Feels like they're 15 out. But they probably don't have enough to make a run. Too inconsistent. Not winning the games they should. Just blew three in the 3rd in the last week.

He wouldn't melt. He'll come in here all.... "Can't believe they made it with this joke of a team. They're not going anywhere. You all love Holmgren. I remember! YOU ALL said it. I didn't. Flyers have no direction." (they won't go anywhere. Which is OK. Neither do/are any of the other Philly teams. Sixers on just as much of a drought as Flyers now. And Eagles. Kennedy was almost President.....)

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I always look forward to Kev's hilarious and all-encompassing multi-posts. Just covering his bases and letting us know he's still around. :)

Almost as much as I look forward to seeing if the Avs are able to trade Briere at the trade deadline.

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thanks for the birthday wishes, ya'll.

Actually going to the game tonight. Really glad LeClair and Lindros will be there since I missed their induction ceremony in November.

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Alright, guys, should we tell him what we got him for his birthday?

I'll just say this - If John LeClair shows up and starts giving you a lap dance, just go with it.

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Maybe Yzerman will be there to blast a blue line shot in, just to complete the evening.

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Want outside opinions. A big debate on what site is whether Fedorov's #91 should hang at Joe Louis, or the new arena when it's ready. One guy on the comments was VERY vocal and kept pointing to stats and nothing about Fedorov's personal relationship with Illitch should come into play. He then tried to say to the people who said the number won't or shouldn't be retired that what if Datsyuk retired after this year would you retire his? Which isn't going to happen and even if it did, not at all close to the same thing that went down with Sergei. Fedorov is one of the best, although he probably could have been even better. He helped this team win 3 Cups, that ain't nothing, and by all accounts liked his teammates. But there were the selfish moments. Wouldn't sign after 97 and eventually signed an offer sheet with Carolina (owned by one of the Illitch's "enemies" Karmanos) with a very front loaded contract and the Wings matched so forcing him to stay. He then was offered at one time $10mil per year and $8mil per year from the Wings during the 02-03 season and Illitch met with him personally a few times I believe. Then he signs with the Ducks (totally his right don't get me wrong) for the same money that the Wings were offering. Fans were pretty pissed by this, although I wasn't surprised, and it seemed to make Illitch mad too. Things have calmed down and he played in the alumni game here but all of that is a lot to an owner who values loyalty. I mean Yzerman got a job here and Maltby, Draper, Chelios and Jiri Fischer all have jobs in the organization. What do you guys think? Should he or will he get his # retired? Obviously I know not being around all of this is hard to make a judgement but was curious.

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I remember talking about this here maybe a couple years ago, and I think we all kind of agreed that players get their numbers retired for two reasons:

1) They were an NHL legend. This is usually qualified by numbers. Gretzky, Brodeur, Orr, Howe - guys like that.

2) They were a team legend. Usually reserved for long-time members of the club who may not have been stars, but made a big impact on the organization. Guys like Ken Daneyko and Adam Foote.

And of course it goes without saying that it's even better when guys manage to meet both qualifications.

And frankly, this is a team-by-team thing. Newer franchises that may not have been around for as long may be more likely to retire a team-legend's number than a more storied franchise. For example, I don't know if Foote's number would get retired had he played his whole career with Boston or Montreal. They've got enough NHL legends hanging in their rafters that there's kind of a higher standard. But on a "newer" club like Colorado? Hell yeah.

As for Federov, does he fit into either one of those above-mentioned "legend" categories? I tend to think not. Was he a VERY good player who contributed to the team's success during his tenure? Absolutely. But I'm not sure he's achieved that legendary status that puts him in the same sentence as Yzerman, Howe, Lidstrom, and the other game-changers who hang in Detroit's rafters.

But what do I know, I'm just an Avs fan! I mean, we retired Bourque's sweater after only a season and a half of him playing with the team!

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He's 5th all time on the team in points, although Pavel will probably pass him in a year or so. So in terms of production, I'd put him up there. But yeah it's a team by team thing. Look at the other Wings players up there. Gordie, Terrible Ted, Alex Delvecchio who is still 3rd in points, Sawchuk, Abel, Stevie Y and Lidstrom. Fedorov isn't with those guys because of how he tried to bolt twice. Those guys had so much to do with the organization on the ice, off the ice and the city of Detroit. He's just not in that class. Had he stayed...maybe it's different.

The same guy on those comments tried to use Ray as an example because he had his number retired with the Bruins and Avs. First the Avs one is weird, sorry Matty it just is. But Ray left the Bruins to win a Cup late in his career. Not after winning 3 and when the team was good and wanted him to stay. Not even close to the same thing.

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No need to apologize. I think it's strange myself. I'll give two half-hearted excuses.

1) A PR-move. When a new-ish team like the Avs has the opportunity to retire the number of an all-time great, they're going to take it.

2) His value to the team during that season and a half was incalculable. His "quest for the Cup" alone pretty much willed the team to the Cup. I don't know if they win it without him that year, and I don't mean just in terms of his contributions on the ice. Sure they had an all-star roster of Sakic, Forsberg, Blake, Roy, Drury, etc., but "doing it for Ray" was a very tangible rallying point.

But yeah, I have no problem admitting it's strange. Not complaining, and certainly not campaigning that they take it down or something, but strange nonetheless.

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The Feds thing is similar to Lindros in Philly. When he was there, he was a beast and racked up the points. Ended kind of badly. Time heals wounds. Lindros finally returned and played in the alumni game and now comes back for all of the special events. (I.e. he'll be there tonight for Desjardins retirement. (Not retiring his number though))

I like Matty's "criteria" as it were. I'd probably retire Feds number if I'm a Wings fan. I know there were a lot of guys and a lot of guys there for awhile during the Wings run. But the three Cups, I'd put him right behind 19 and 5 as far as importance.

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Is he related to Adam Hand?

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He'll always hold a place in Avs fans hearts the way things went down, I'm sure. So I get that side of it.

I think his # will eventually just not sure when. Wonder if once Illitch dies if it will change or not. Maybe he's gotten over it a bit himself, I dunno. Like I said, I think it will eventually but it's not a slam dunk.

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I think Federov is right on that fine line for Detroit. Like Tim said, I remember things were a little rocky between the club/fans and Federov when he left. But he was a very important piece of those Cup teams back in the 90s. At this point, I think enough time has passed to consider it. But the other thing to remember is how much time Federov spent elsewhere, if I remember right he was only a Wing for about half his career, correct? I don't know, that's a tough one. I think if it wasn't the prestigious Detroit Red Wings it's an easy yes, but since it is Detroit it makes a little tougher. At this point though, sounds like the relationship had mended enough where I'd say go for it.

And while we're talking about retiring numbers, fucking retire 12 in Washington already. For god's sake, what are they waiting for.

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More than have half. I think 13 years with the Wings and then 5 years split between Ducks, Jackets (haha) and Caps.

Caps need to retire Bondra's #.

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Wasn't Federov an Oiler for a minute or am I dreaming?

edit: just looked. I'm dreaming. Forgive my ignorance

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Dumbass! Go back to getting puked on.