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drakan 06-18-2019 01:40 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 17474158)
This was a huge move for the Rangers assuming he signs. We basically got him for nothing and he is a huge step up on our blue line! This rebuild has been amazing to watch. I canít wait to see it come together on the ice over the next few years.

Pionk sucks but a 20th ain't nothing.

Brohan_Santana 06-18-2019 03:17 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Not only has the Metro division been the toughest division in hockey for the last 5+ years or so, it's now about to add Kakko & Hughes

aeroshady 06-18-2019 07:52 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17474177)
Pionk sucks but a 20th ain't nothing.

Remember, it was the Jets pick originally. We basically paid them back with “their money.”

To break it down after all trades:

Jets got: Hayes for 3 months and Pionk

Rangers got: Lemieux and Trouba.

I would say that is a steel for the Rangers.

barbogast 06-18-2019 08:25 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17474108)
Rangers giving the rebuild idea the ol’ finger again. (Trouba is a great add though)

I don’t know, I think adding a proven young defenseman (he’s what, 25-26?) who can move the puck is exactly the type of player a rebuilding Rangers squad could use. I think it’s a brilliant deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17474177)
Pionk sucks but a 20th ain't nothing.

It’s not, but a couple things. One, it’s much easier to swallow moving out the 20th overall pick when you own the 2nd. The rangers are gonna get a game changer at the draft this year. That’s not to say a 20th pick couldn’t pan out also, but look what you get in return. Trouba is a major upgrade from Pionk. A proven young player who the Rangers should reasonably expect many productive years from. So while 20th picks are nice, proven young NHL level defenseman are even better, as that 20th pick may very well become nothing.

barbogast 06-18-2019 08:27 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Just looked it up. Trouba is 25 AND he’s a rightie? Yep, it’s a great deal for the Rangers

barbogast 06-18-2019 08:30 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17474189)
Not only has the Metro division been the toughest division in hockey for the last 5+ years or so, it's now about to add Kakko & Hughes

The metropolitan division is going to be insane. RIP Penguins? Iím curious how they plan to keep up :lol

fonzz41 06-18-2019 10:26 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 17474158)
This was a huge move for the Rangers assuming he signs. We basically got him for nothing and he is a huge step up on our blue line! This rebuild has been amazing to watch. I canít wait to see it come together on the ice over the next few years.



Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17474204)
I donít know, I think adding a proven young defenseman (heís what, 25-26?) who can move the puck is exactly the type of player a rebuilding Rangers squad could use. I think itís a brilliant deal.

Tongue-in-cheek tone often doesnít come across in the written word unfortunately. What I meant by my comment is that usually a rebuilding team doesnít trade away a 1st for a guy who will have to be re-signed after this season. HOWEVER, heís only an RFA and you have to think that with what the Rangers are putting together heíll want to stay.

Trouba is top pair good. If they can hang on to him (and I think they can), the result of this trade will be a huge win for the Rags. Way more so than that 20th pick + a depth defenseman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by drakan (Post 17474177)
Pionk sucks but a 20th ain't nothing.

Defensive game needs work but the kid is coming off his first full year in which he still got 26 points so there is some potential there for growth.

Brohan_Santana 06-18-2019 12:01 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17474207)
The metropolitan division is going to be insane. RIP Penguins? Iím curious how they plan to keep up :lol

Maybe Jack Johnson has a brother they can give $4 mil/year too :lol :lol

Roose13 06-18-2019 01:12 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Flyers with another trade. Sent their second-round pick to San Jose for D Justin Braun.

kev87lads 06-18-2019 01:33 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17474207)
The metropolitan division is going to be insane. RIP Penguins? Iím curious how they plan to keep up :lol

Good luck chasing the Flyers ya turds. Niskanen AND Braun. Lights out.

fonzz41 06-18-2019 01:47 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 17474473)
Good luck chasing the Flyers ya turds. Niskanen AND Braun. Lights out.

Yeah. Can't complain about missing out on Trouba now.

Lcsulla 06-18-2019 04:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17474207)
The metropolitan division is going to be insane. RIP Penguins? Iím curious how they plan to keep up :lol

Yup, Metro will be a bear again, Central too - those are the toughest divisions in hockey easy right now. No surprise the past 11 cups have been won by a team from either of those divisions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brohan_Santana (Post 17474390)
Maybe Jack Johnson has a brother they can give $4 mil/year too :lol :lol

That contract is looking more and more like an albatross every day, he just is not that good. $3,250,000 cap hit for a guy that put up 13 points in 82 games with a -4 rating and too many penalties is going to be very tough to move unless the Pens eat about half the contract to move him. I know he plays a lot of minutes but he is just not worth what they are paying him and he is 32 so the room for growth and development is pretty much tapped out.

barbogast 06-18-2019 04:29 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
The Kings and Bruins play in the Central?

Lcsulla 06-18-2019 04:37 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17474636)
The Kings and Bruins play in the Central?

Good point on the Kings, I am exhausted man - long night and work at 6am, just got home. As for the bruins, honestly, who cares about them - they are probably the most talented collection of choke artists in the NHL! :lol

Course a year and a week ago I would likely have said that about the Caps so who knows man! :)

Lcsulla 06-18-2019 04:44 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Also Barbs, so much for this great parity experiment (aka the cap) lets go back to 2009 and examine the winners

2009 - Pens
2010 - Hawks
2011 - Bruins
2012 - Kings
2013 - Hawks
2014 - Kings
2015 - Hawks
2016 - Pens
2017 - Pens
2018 - Caps
2019 - Blues

So 8 of the past 11 champs were the Pens, Hawks or Kings and the other 3 (Blues, Caps, Bruins were 1 off's) so how's that for parity! :lol

unccrombie 06-18-2019 05:14 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 17474660)
Also Barbs, so much for this great parity experiment (aka the cap) lets go back to 2009 and examine the winners

2009 - Pens
2010 - Hawks
2011 - Bruins
2012 - Kings
2013 - Hawks
2014 - Kings
2015 - Hawks
2016 - Pens
2017 - Pens
2018 - Caps
2019 - Blues

So 8 of the past 11 champs were the Pens, Hawks or Kings and the other 3 (Blues, Caps, Bruins were 1 off's) so how's that for parity! [emoji38]

Parity isn't just about the champion. It's teams playing for it. I'd argue that LV, STL, SJ, CBJ, NSH, DAL, etc are small(er) market teams outside the norm.

fonzz41 06-18-2019 06:16 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17474703)
Parity isn't just about the champion. It's teams playing for it. I'd argue that LV, STL, SJ, CBJ, NSH, DAL, etc are small(er) market teams outside the norm.

Agree with this. We're seeing perennial bottom-15 teams making the playoffs, cusp teams getting in and doing damage, teams that have never won a Cup all of a sudden going the distance. It's pretty cool.

And what the list of recent past winners also highlights is the ebbs and flows of teams in the salary cap era. Teams like the Hawks, Kings, and Pens draft and sign well, building Cup contenders that do well for a period of time, stars get signed to monster contracts, and then comes the inevitable dip when those contracts catch up to them. Sure enough, we see the Hawks and Kings not even making the playoffs, and the Pens trending down. Meanwhile, other teams are rising, and they will most likely follow the same pattern. It's fascinating to watch and I'm interested to see if managers try to adjust the way they build their teams accordingly, or if they lean into it and just accept that they'll have "windows" to win and try to strike hard during those peaks before they dip into a valley.

fonzz41 06-18-2019 06:39 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Is this the first time an interim coach is up for the Jack Adams? Awesome.

drakan 06-18-2019 07:13 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 17474197)
Remember, it was the Jets pick originally. We basically paid them back with ďtheir money.Ē

To break it down after all trades:

Jets got: Hayes for 3 months and Pionk

Rangers got: Lemieux and Trouba.

I would say that is a steel for the Rangers.

Still have to pay him thoughÖ


I know Pionk got some press for that goal earlier this year, but he sucks. Maybe he'll get better with a better team but from the Jets perspective they miss out on Trouba for a year since they weren't going to sign him and get a 20 back.

Chumlee67 06-18-2019 11:16 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/s...551043584?s=21

:lol Flyers :lol


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drakan 06-19-2019 12:04 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chumlee67 (Post 17475042)
https://twitter.com/tsnbobmckenzie/s...551043584?s=21

:lol Flyers :lol


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That's a lot of money. I thikn I saw McKenzie at the NCAAs once.

Roose13 06-19-2019 12:07 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Jesus Christ

fonzz41 06-19-2019 12:27 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
We live in a world where Kevin Hayes makes more money per year than Nathan MacKinnon.

JRS1386 06-19-2019 12:50 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Just got out of the AMac shit and now we going to do this

Chumlee67 06-19-2019 07:36 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Hayes 7 years 50 per. 7.14 AAV. :lol

Wtf is Matt Duchene gonna get?!


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barbogast 06-19-2019 07:38 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
What in the actual fuck, Philly. I mean Jesus Christ, way to fuck up the free agent market for everyone else :thumbsup

barbogast 06-19-2019 07:39 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 17475080)
We live in a world where Kevin Hayes makes more money per year than Nathan MacKinnon.

Nick Backstrom too

barbogast 06-19-2019 11:47 AM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Jumbo wants to come back

https://www.nhl.com/news/joe-thornto...?tid=281072352

Roose13 06-19-2019 12:06 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 17475159)
What in the actual fuck, Philly. I mean Jesus Christ, way to fuck up the free agent market for everyone else :thumbsup

Kevin Hayes is this yearís Tom Wilson

barbogast 06-19-2019 12:34 PM

Re: The NHL Thread: Gloria!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 17475352)
Kevin Hayes is this yearís Tom Wilson

Except Wilson was two million cheaper and the deal was shorter. Plus I think Wilson is the more dynamic player and Iíd rather have him on my team. Next year will be an interesting one for Wilson. If he can replicate the year he just had, his 5 million cap hit doesnít seem very ridiculous anymore


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