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Dramageek 04-25-2012 11:25 AM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13562049)

I think the NHL needs to explain having Nickelback as the official band of the playoffs.

dmbetc 04-25-2012 11:26 AM

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:lol :lol Flyers

cry_minarets458 04-25-2012 11:28 AM

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so this season isn't over yet? LAWD.

TMoore4075 04-25-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13562096)
I wish someone would start the 2012/2013 thread, but it can't be a Hawks fan. Chris started this one and look what happened.

Way way too early.

bonzo48280 04-25-2012 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13562140)
Way way too early.

we started this thread May 8th. It can be done.

UCFish 04-25-2012 11:41 AM

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Why apparently Kane will still be a 2C and Crawford will be goalie....think he will get a shutout next year???

TMoore4075 04-25-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13562174)
we started this thread May 8th. It can be done.

It was way too early then. I think at least gotta be down to the Final 4. I even prefer the finals cause then you start hearing more stuff about next year and trades and whatnot.

lockman21 04-25-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by UCFish (Post 13562180)
Why apparently Kane will still be a 2C and Crawford will be goalie....think he will get a shutout next year???

Eh, Q said he wants Craw but Bowman didn't rule out the option of exploring other options.

Committedindians did a good job breaking down Stan's presser:

http://committedindians.com/thoughts...-availability/

fonzz41 04-25-2012 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13562190)
It was way too early then. I think at least gotta be down to the Final 4. I even prefer the finals cause then you start hearing more stuff about next year and trades and whatnot.

At the end of last year we said we were going to have a fan of the worst team start the new thread. Do we still want to do that? In that case, it could fall to... wait a second. Nevermind. I don't want to do it that way! :lol :rattle

lockman21 04-25-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13562209)
At the end of last year we said we were going to have a fan of the worst team start the new thread. Do we still want to do that? In that case, it could fall to... wait a second. Nevermind. I don't want to do it that way! :lol :rattle

You win! Congrats Matt!

fonzz41 04-25-2012 11:51 AM

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Oh, and now that I've fulfilled the terms of my suspension, I wanted to just get it out:

TOEWS!!!!!

lockman21 04-25-2012 12:33 PM

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Thoughts on the Chicago Blackhawks (this will be long and no one will read it so fuck you in advance):

Disappointment is the only word. For those of you that have known me and my tendencies the past couple years, you know that I love Patrick Sharp and Dave Bolland...neither of which decided it was important to put up points in the playoffs. Very sad that the two Indian Head sweaters I wear the most combined for a total of 1 goal.

This team doesn't need an overhaul, and it doesn't sound like Bowman wants to do one. It's times like this that actually, in a strange way, make me happy. Come on Hawks fans, do you not remember living in a time of obscurity? Listening to home games on the radio because they weren't on TV? That wasn't exactly 30 years ago....

This organization has come a long way, and after the salary cap dump, we knew it would take some time to put together the right pieces to really make a team again. Now, I'm not excusing some of the bad signings, and missed trades, and BAD trades (Soupy :( ) BUT...we have pieces in place to make another couple Cup runs before contracts for 19 and 88 are up. Also, a lot of the bad FA signings Stan made, were 1 year deals. Brunette won't be back, Morrison won't be back, Mayers (probably) won't be back (although he was pretty solid this regular season).

Hjalmarsson seems to have played his way out of Chicago. We'll see what happens, but Bowman wants Oduya back. Montador is still here, and will probably not be moved. If we can move Hammer for something like a 3rd rounder, I say do it.

I don't think Kitchen is going anywhere, although he should. We'll see what happens there.

Stan seems set on Kane at the 2C spot. Which I'm ok (but not thrilled) with. Maybe he explores that option, I don't know, but there are second line centers out there to be had. Roy, Jordan Staal, etc. all are on the market at this point it seems. I mean, you look at this squad, and everything just seems to fall in place with the acquisition of a 2C and the removal of Hammer. It really seems to be that easy.

I think Oduya follows Campoli's route, demands too much money, and is given his walking papers.

We shall see. What I do know is there is too much skill on this team for the PP to be that bad, and to continue to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. But perspective, everyone. The world isn't collapsing, everyone isn't dying...it's not time to jump ship. This is an organization that a couple years ago couldn't pay people to sit in the seats...things aren't THAT bad.

DMBCubs25 04-25-2012 02:07 PM

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I think that a coaching overhaul and change of philosophy will also make a world of difference.

~Crashintome89~ 04-25-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13562049)

Mind fuck.

Worst part is OMGCG is involved. Terrible.

Bron Yr Aur 04-25-2012 03:05 PM

Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13562434)
Thoughts on the Chicago Blackhawks (this will be long and no one will read it so fuck you in advance):

Disappointment is the only word. For those of you that have known me and my tendencies the past couple years, you know that I love Patrick Sharp and Dave Bolland...neither of which decided it was important to put up points in the playoffs. Very sad that the two Indian Head sweaters I wear the most combined for a total of 1 goal.

Look, if you want Bolland to be your 3rd line C, then don't complain about him not putting up points. 70% of his zone faceoffs are in the defensive zone. When you play with Bickell/Frolik/Shaw/Hayes/Brunette all year, kinda tough to get the puck down to the other end and score. He is matched up against opposing top lines and his job is to shut them down. His line was excellent in the PHX series.

If you are going to criticize a guy, at least measure his performance against what he is being put out there to do.

Sharp wasn't anything special in that series, he had a poor stretch as many of our forwards did. Again, his whole line was pretty bad. He played with Kane & Stalberg quite often, both of whom had very a poor series.

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This team doesn't need an overhaul, and it doesn't sound like Bowman wants to do one. It's times like this that actually, in a strange way, make me happy. Come on Hawks fans, do you not remember living in a time of obscurity? Listening to home games on the radio because they weren't on TV? That wasn't exactly 30 years ago....

This organization has come a long way, and after the salary cap dump, we knew it would take some time to put together the right pieces to really make a team again. Now, I'm not excusing some of the bad signings, and missed trades, and BAD trades (Soupy :( ) BUT...we have pieces in place to make another couple Cup runs before contracts for 19 and 88 are up. Also, a lot of the bad FA signings Stan made, were 1 year deals. Brunette won't be back, Morrison won't be back, Mayers (probably) won't be back (although he was pretty solid this regular season).
Most of Stan's trades have been very good ones. Getting a 1st-rd pick out of an RFA in Brouwer. Trading Campbell was a great trade. Sorry, not impressed by a d-man who picks up loads of 2nd assists on the PP. He could have helped on D somewhat this year, but you just can't pay a 2nd/3rd-pair d-man $7m for years and years. It was a great move because the team has cap flexibility now.

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Hjalmarsson seems to have played his way out of Chicago. We'll see what happens, but Bowman wants Oduya back. Montador is still here, and will probably not be moved. If we can move Hammer for something like a 3rd rounder, I say do it.
Hammer has been bad but he's the only one blocking shots. I think he could be a solid d-man on a team with a legitimate defensive system. The biggest problem this team had all season was the trainwreck in the defensive zone, not clearing puck efficiently, killing momentum by getting caught in the d-zone for long shifts. I don't move Hammer for a 3rd rder unless you are absolutely definitely getting a legit 2nd-pair or better physical d-man. If you move him and come up empty in free agency you are going to look like an idiot.

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I don't think Kitchen is going anywhere, although he should. We'll see what happens there.
Kitch is an idiot. He's a terrible coach. I don't really understand how the d system, PP, and PK can be so completely exposed over the entire season and yet the coaching staff is not held accountable? Nothing will change with Q and his buddies sticking around together again next year.

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Stan seems set on Kane at the 2C spot. Which I'm ok (but not thrilled) with. Maybe he explores that option, I don't know, but there are second line centers out there to be had. Roy, Jordan Staal, etc. all are on the market at this point it seems. I mean, you look at this squad, and everything just seems to fall in place with the acquisition of a 2C and the removal of Hammer. It really seems to be that easy.
Don't think it's that easy really, but I agree in theory. I mean, sure you fill the 2C hole but what are you going to do about the defense? It's just going to be the same shitty story again next year.

But now is the perfect time to trade some of your depth prospects and try to get a Jordan Staal-type. We have a ton of forward depth in the system and they can't all play on the same team at the same time. You can't rely on Kane to play defense or win faceoffs, until he proves he can do those things he is NOT a legitimate 2nd-line C. I would even take Kesler.

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I think Oduya follows Campoli's route, demands too much money, and is given his walking papers.
Oduya blows. If they pay that idiot $4m instead of getting a legitimate shutdown d-man, I will start to lose some faith in Stan. He has made a number of great trades, but his signings have been very, very suspect.

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We shall see. What I do know is there is too much skill on this team for the PP to be that bad, and to continue to lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. But perspective, everyone. The world isn't collapsing, everyone isn't dying...it's not time to jump ship. This is an organization that a couple years ago couldn't pay people to sit in the seats...things aren't THAT bad.
Of course they aren't. If not for Mike Smith the Hawks would have won that series. They battled hard against a disciplined team and came up a bit unlucky.

Jsweeney 04-25-2012 03:35 PM

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predictions for tonight? Can the Caps pull the upset...I'm hoping yes-
Caps 4-2

fonzz41 04-25-2012 03:37 PM

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Here ya go fellas (and Sara as well ;)):

http://now.msn.com/now-plus/0425-bik...ey-league.aspx

thechad90000 04-25-2012 03:38 PM

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I'm gonna say Caps 3-2 tonight.

dduncan6er 04-25-2012 03:41 PM

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Bruins 4-1.

fonzz41 04-25-2012 03:42 PM

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Bruins 3-1

RJ2kWJ 04-25-2012 03:50 PM

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Heart is already starting to race. I don't feel like making a prediction.

bonzo48280 04-25-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13563421)

Most of Stan's trades have been very good ones. Getting a 1st-rd pick out of an RFA in Brouwer. Trading Campbell was a great trade. Sorry, not impressed by a d-man who picks up loads of 2nd assists on the PP. He could have helped on D somewhat this year, but you just can't pay a 2nd/3rd-pair d-man $7m for years and years. It was a great move because the team has cap flexibility now.

You continue to just not understand what Brian Campbell was for this team. Yes, getting rid of his contract is huge, but one paragraph later you're complaining about how we could never get the puck out of the zone? If Campbell is on this team we would have won the President's Trophy and would have had much more of the puck possession game, all because of Campbell

lockman21 04-25-2012 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13563707)
You continue to just not understand what Brian Campbell was for this team. Yes, getting rid of his contract is huge, but one paragraph later you're complaining about how we could never get the puck out of the zone? If Campbell is on this team we would have won the President's Trophy and would have had much more of the puck possession game, all because of Campbell

Exactly. Campbell was so much for this team and more than his stats would ever indicate. Throw that on top of the fact that we traded for Oduya to sort out the blue line because we lost Campbell (and Leddy wasn't ready to replace him), and we got this:

Brian Campbell, a 2nd, and a 3rd round draft pick for Rostislav Olesz and 1/4 of a year of Oduya.

HORRIBLE.

bonzo48280 04-25-2012 04:07 PM

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We brought in Oduya to do what Campbell did. When Oduya did well, we won. When he sucked like in the Phoenix series, we lost. Campbell never sucked. He was the most consistent D-man for 3 years.

UCFish 04-25-2012 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13563726)
We brought in Oduya to do what Campbell did. When Oduya did well, we won. When he sucked like in the Phoenix series, we lost. Campbell never sucked. He was the most consistent D-man for 3 years.

:thumbsup

Bron Yr Aur 04-25-2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13563707)
You continue to just not understand what Brian Campbell was for this team. Yes, getting rid of his contract is huge, but one paragraph later you're complaining about how we could never get the puck out of the zone? If Campbell is on this team we would have won the President's Trophy and would have had much more of the puck possession game, all because of Campbell

Wat??? How can you possibly say this? Campbell was just as bad as anyone at getting caught in the defensive zone and throwing blind passes up the boards.

You just don't get it. Campbell was maybe worth half of what he was getting paid and his contract was going to put this team in cap hell every single year. Now they have flexibility.

Hawks were dominant in 09-10 not because of some incredible cast of d-men, but because they had some of the best forward depth of any team in the league in the last 10 years and that is why their puck possession was dominant. Yes, Campbell was a good offensive defenseman. But he was absolutely not particularly good in the defensive zone and he was far, FAR from a shutdown defenseman.

DMBCubs25 04-25-2012 04:15 PM

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The only thing horrible about Campbell was his contract. I was in favor of the trade but only if Stan used the cap savings to upgrade other weak areas of the team. He did not. Campbell and Hammer as a 2nd pair were pretty reliable though, definetely in comparison to what is there now...

~Crashintome89~ 04-25-2012 04:28 PM

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Hey hawks fans, guess what?

bonzo48280 04-25-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13563740)
Wat??? How can you possibly say this? Campbell was just as bad as anyone at getting caught in the defensive zone and throwing blind passes up the boards.

You just don't get it. Campbell was maybe worth half of what he was getting paid and his contract was going to put this team in cap hell every single year. Now they have flexibility.

Hawks were dominant in 09-10 not because of some incredible cast of d-men, but because they had some of the best forward depth of any team in the league in the last 10 years and that is why their puck possession was dominant. Yes, Campbell was a good offensive defenseman. But he was absolutely not particularly good in the defensive zone and he was far, FAR from a shutdown defenseman.

I don't get it? Ok. We never had a problem leaving the defensive zone or zone entry UNTIL we got rid of Campbell, but it's just a coincidence.

dmbetc 04-25-2012 04:50 PM

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Bruins 3-2 in 1 OT.


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