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Ehhhh.....just not a very good deal for a team that might not make the playoffs. Is Oduya going to change that all that much? Probably not. Sure as hell one bottom-4 d-man isn't going to change the culture of not giving a fuck around this team right now.

2nd and a 3rd for a month and a half of a bottom-4 defenseman is a LOT to give up.

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OMG OMG OMG

"Sabres and Blackhawks close to completing a trade believed to be for center Derek Roy"

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That's why I said it was a great trade for the Jets...

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Nobody shake hands with Chris in the next few minutes... it has been down his pants.

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I'm ordering a #9 sweater if this happens.

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2013 picks make it hurt a little less, but yeah. Especially if the Hawks tank next year. Not hatin, just sayin...

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Fuck, I forgot about Bobby Hull.

Jesus. I'm too excited about Roy. I'll buy whatever he's wearing.

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You know Roy's just as good so I say bring it down for him.

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:lol:lol:lol You would think he is with the way I've been acting.

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:lol:lol:thumbsup

And I'm interested in seeing what Oduya brings. Hasn't had a good couple seasons with ATL/WPG, but I've watched him play and the potential is there to be a solid d-man in the NHL. Be interesting to see what a change of scenery brings.

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...and I was agreeing with you :lol

Honestly would have rather just kept all our picks and made no deals. Right now, the team just doesn't have what it takes and I don't think 1 or 2 players is going to change anything. Maybe it energizes the players. But at the moment, I'd rather miss the playoffs and get Q fired because there is just too much intept coaching, too much pathetic and lazy effort from the players, and injuries at a bad time killing our depth.

Would have rather gone for it big time with a couple of trades in the off-season.

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Would be excited if Roy came to Hawks but I'm not counting on it.

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He's coming over here, OK?!?!!?!

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Then find out he's traded to the Wings. LOL

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Chris, please PM me your address. I'll be sending you a condolensces card.

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...for a conditional 7th round pick.

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Great pick up for the Hawks just now.

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Who? Oduya? Not really "great"...

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Looks like the bruins aren't going to do anything. With Horton likely out for the year, chances for repeating are slim to none.

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Haha your team needs to stop the puck from finding its way into the back of its net. He will help do that. Ask any devils fan how much they wish they didn't give him up.

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Yeah, exactly....
Decent player who is certainly not turning around this sinking ship.

Problem is....
Rocky is paying $75-77m in player salaries this year, doesn't want to add more salary.
But Rocky also is drunk on playoff success from 09 & 10 and probably won't allow any selling of current players that might have some value.

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Oh, I'm very aware of what he can do, but we need more than just him. It's great if we can land Derek Roy. Or Gaustad as a consolation prize, but Oduya on his own doesn't make us a SC contender.

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I don't think anything is going to turn this team into a Cup contender. Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook...they just aren't taking over and putting the team on their backs. All have been sub-par lately right when they need to step up. Just goes to show how important Toews is, I guess.

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Reports of Rolston going...back to Boston. OK...

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May as well give us the cup now.

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Kypreos saying Gaustad will be traded. Didn't say where.

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:lol:lol:lol

God, I hope he's not the consolation prize for us not wanting to give up enough for Roy...:BANG

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If any team gave up a first for Gaustad I will laugh my ass off. Except if its the bruins in which case I'll cry.

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For an UFA I'd be surprised. My guess is if he gets moved this late the Sabres were the ones that caved..just a guess.

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"Along with Brian Rolston the Bruins also acquire Mike Mottau."

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Gaustad to Nashville.

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Gaustad to NSH.

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You son of a....:lol

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Damn good move for Predators, absolutely. Any contender would love to have Gaustad on their bottom-6.

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Thanks. FWIW, McGinn has had a solid season. Mostly spends time on 3rd line, but has top 6 potential, was a decent scorer in juniors. There just wasn't room in our top 6 for him here. If he continues the growth he's shown this year he should be good for you.

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Oh boy could this day get any better?

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Per Helene St James of the Detroit Free Press Wings are done.

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Also how did the Caps do NOTHING? Knuble has been benched and isn't moved?

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Yea I don't understand why they wouldn't move Knuble. Probably could have got a 3rd rounder for him in this market.

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And Roy was NOT TRADED.

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And Greg Zanon going to Bruins as well.

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Saw this too... kind of interesting. He is a solid stay-at-home guy and a benefit to any team he plays for. However, he doesn't exactly address the Bruins need for offensive help from the blueline.

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Well if nothing else we added some experienced guys as depth. With the prices that guys were going for today I can't say I'm too upset.

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Mottau is similar in style to Zanon. If anything, the Bruins defense got stingier, more experienced and meaner. They will be even more tough to play against.

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Derek Roy not traded. Stan Bowman grade: D-

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I think they're just going to stick with the status quo for now. Won the cup without a major offensive defenseman. Unless you want to include Kaberle. :lol They're really high on Hamilton who is having a monster year in the OHL so I dont think they wanted to make a major commitment to a puck moving guy when Hamilton will likely make the team next year.

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John Scott traded for a 5th round pick.

Stan Bowman grade: B+

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Bruins have 8 NHL defensemen right now by adding those 2. I think 1 of them will probabky push Corvo up to the press box. Boychuk also has a concussion so they both may end up playing right away.

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Biggest ?'s of the day Calgary, Habs and Caps. Habs made a small move but they suck. Flames will never get better doing what they are doing and the Caps well...the Caps.

Nashville did pretty good but I'm not sure if the moves will actually help Gaustad is a nice addition but is he gonna help a team like the Preds?? I dunno. It's a wait and see trade for them.

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This is a good point. I've watched some Hamilton stuff and was REALLY hoping the Avs would pick him up in the draft. He'll be a Rob Blake type player if he develops correctly.

Not that I'm complaining about them picking up Landeskog instead...

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Gaustad and a 4th to Nashville for a 1st...hell no would I do that.

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Vancouver proved last year that you can never have enough experienced depth defensemen for a long playoff run, and Boston had a front row seat to that learning experience.:lol I like both of the pickups, I hope that wasn't misunderstood. Anyone who knows me round these parts know that no one appreciates a solid stay-at-home guy more than me.

EDIT: Chiarelli is proving his muck as a guy who's got a good feel for adding pieces to the complete puzzle (i.e. with Kelly and Peverley last year). It seems many GM's just go for the biggest names available (Nashville going for Gaustad), but Chiarelli has proven able at evaluating the teams needs and properly addressing them.

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That's a pretty good return for John Scott.

But, the Hawks just got even softer. The fact is, even though Scott only played a few minutes, other teams' players certainly didn't take runs at our guys very often with him in the lineup.

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Hawks are a middle of the road team right now. We needed a top 6 forward and didn't get it. I don't care if it was expensive, if you want to win, you pay those prices with picks. Dumb.

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This is insane. Let's see what Trotz can do with him.

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I'm glad the Wings didn't cave. If a 3rd/4th line guy is worth basically a 1st rounder and the dude is a rental that's dumb. And if they think that will make Suter stay they are kidding themselves. What if he walks along with Kostitsyn? You gave up stuff for...nothing.

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I'm kind if surprised to see Nashville panic like that and give up a 1st for Gaustad.

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I like Scott for what he does. Fighter first of all, but can play minutes on bottom D pairing. He's no Chara, but he knows his role and does it pretty well. Guys are scared of him... I remember one interview where he mentioned he was frustrated because he tries to fight, but guys won't go with him.

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Last time Nashville made the "big splash" it got them bounced in round 1 for the 2nd straight year. They'll be tough to play against but they are already. At least Parise will look good in the Winged Wheel this summer.

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He averaged about 4-5 minutes of ice time a game. He was a waste of a roster spot. Made Keith/Seabs/Leddy eat up more minutes because he couldn't. He was a liability every time he skated. Nice guy on all accounts, but I don't want him on the roster.

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Still can't believe that dude went to Michigan Tech.

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If Nashville was going to give up a 1st they should have tried to get a guy who can actually put the puck in the net. Gaustad is solid defensively but he won't be lighting the lamp very often.

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The scary thing is, if he was worth a 1st, what were other guys worth?

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I will admit I didn't watch him as much as you, so I would have to refer to your judgement here. And let me be clear that I don't by any means see him as a big minute player. 4-5 minutes a night is about right for a guy like him. That is about right for d-men sitting in the 6-7 spot anyways.

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It was just tough because everyone knew his role, and it had nothing to do with hockey.

He can't be the guy to do literally anything except fight. He didn't hit even, really, because he can't skate. His sole purpose was to fight, and he didn't even really do that, since no one would fight him. Every time he touched the puck in our own zone, I would freak out. Huge liability, big guy that doesn't hit, can't skate, only fights. That's not a player that dresses for SC winning teams.

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Kassian for Hodgson. Maybe one of the bigger trades of the day in terms of potential impact for both teams.

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what a boring deadline day. sigh.

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Fair enough. Again, I'll defer to your judgement. I've seen him play and have noted differences in terms of his physicality, and I consider myself at least decently able to judge a players skills. But I definitely don't watch Hawks games to the magnitude that you do, so you've got this one.

And I'm sorry about Roy. :shrug

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I'm sure a lot of Wings fans, and other teams fans, will say how come they didn't do anything?!? Prices are high and if you want to give that much up for a rental you do so at your own risk. For Wings they are an older team and have to rebuild behind the scenes and giving up those picks hurts them when Lidstrom retires.

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I will totally disagree with Chris here. John Scott was a valuable member of this team...because when he's in your lineup, your top guys don't have to be out there playing scared and worrying about getting destroyed on the boards and being run by the other team. Or, if it happens, Scott can get out there and pummel someone. Yeah it hasn't happened often this season, but getting rid of him only makes a soft team even softer. Hawks need grit with Montador and Carcillo likely both done for the year. And now they trade away Scott.

Shouldn't have done anything. Personally, I'd rather they just hold Toews out for the rest of the year unless we somehow snuck into the playoffs. Don't take any chances with him, then try to make some deals in the off-season and load up for the next couple of years. Quenneville is done. Players just aren't playing for him anymore and his coaching staff doesn't know how to PK or PP.

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So Scott is an enforcer? Jeez, 6-8, 270. I guess the rangers did get the biggest guy today.

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Enforcer? Scott is a boxer. He doesn't even wear skates. He just runs out there and punches guys, and gets a game misconduct.

:lol I know absolutely nothing about him.

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Wow thats probably the buggest trade if the day actually.

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He will do ok in a limited role. On a team like the Rangers, with a coach like Tortorella, he will not dress every game. When he does, don't plan on more than a handful of minutes a game...

... and I'm talking about possibly a hand missing a few fingers...

Like Bron said (holy hell I'm agreeing with him!), the intimidation factor is one of the intangibles he brings that kind of makes up for his... what's the word... limited tangibles.

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:thumbsup A good hockey trade.

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Yeah he's not really a good hockey player. But he has been fairly serviceable this year, not too many huge mistakes...has certainly improved and can dress as either a F or D.

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I cant help but think Buffalo got the better end of this deal. Hodgson has sone serious skill. And the way TSN is comparing Kassian to Lucic is laughable.

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LeBrun put it about right on the deadline chat:

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I think the Gaustad trade is the worst of the deadline. NSH lost big time.

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Not really. Kassian could easily become even better than Lucic, though probably not quite as much of a physical force.

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Nashville also improved their team right now more than any other team today. A 1st is a lot to give up for a guy like Gaustad but it's still a good pickup for them to make a run. They have a strong team and good on them for going for it this season. If it fucks them in the future, even better :lol

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Yeah it's a good move short term but that's it.

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I don't see it.

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So it's out that Nash actually did go to CBJ and ask to be traded not the other way around. That change the perceptions a little.

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Great work by Stan Blowman today. This team will be lucky to back into the playoffs again, absolutely half-assed effort at trying to improve today.

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way to throw the captain under the bus, man.

https://twitter.com/#!/Wampa3/status...346240/photo/1

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Hey Chris, this one's for you, from Bucci :)

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Definitely wanted Nash to the Rangers. Damn it...

Glad Homer stayed put today.

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Gut reaction everyone? Big winner? Big loser?

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The Avalanche and Sharks did a good job addressing their particular needs. The Avs loaded up for the future (Sgarbossa - who could end up being the major piece to this trade) and adding much-needed grit by getting McGinn (led the Sharks in hits so far this year). San Jose has really needed to get their bottom-6 rolling, and they got two solid third line types in Galiardi and Winnik. Winnik in particular could play some second line minutes if needed.

Other winners were the Sabres. Great pick-up in Hodgson... he could be their new #1 center, and I'm interested in seeing how he does with Vanek. Also, getting a first-rounder for Gaustad was a major boon.

I also like the character depth the Bruins added in Zanon and Mottau. They'll make the Bruins tougher to play against, and help out Rask and Thomas in that both are monster shot blockers. That type of depth is invaluable as the playoffs roll along and could be a difference-maker. I don't see Rolston doing too much, but who knows what he could do.

I didn't like Nashville giving up a first rounder for Gaustad, so right now I would count them as losers. BUT... who knows what Trotz could do with him? I could be eating my words here in a bit. I also don't understand why Carolina and Washington didn't start selling off assets. Guys like Mike Knuble, Roman Hamrlik and Jaroslav Spacek could've at least gotten them something in terms of consolation. I would count them as losers as well. Chicago not addressing their offensive needs was disappointing as well.

But, in fairness to the losers, this was a tough trade market this season.

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Flyers won in their own right this deadline. Got two d'men last week that filled roles needed and didn't need to trade a single one of their rookies. They pretty much knocked two rookies out of the line up (MA Bourdon - physical by over-agressive/Gustafsson - undersized) and replaced them with two big bodies who play the position well (Grossman/Kubina).

They kept JvR, kept their faith in Bryz and didn't have to ship Read/Couturier/Schenn/Zolnierczyk for a rental that wouldn't have made much more of a difference than what they had already.

They just need JvR to continue playing strong and start potting goals, Briere and Jagr to wake up and the defense to tighten up.

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I think the Sabres are the big winner today.

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Apparently the Sharks offered Philly Niemi for JVR last week, Philly said no.

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I'm a happy, HAPPY Sabres fan today. I've never been a huge fan of Kassian and he's done little to improve that in his games with the club this year. Hodgson could be what we're looking for in a top-line center, I'm excited to see how he plays with Vanek. Kassian will never be a Lucic. He certainly has that potential, but it's been said that the work ethic isn't there.

And Gaustad (and a 4th) for a 1st round pick? Blows my mind that they could get a 1st for a guy that basically goes out to win faceoffs and nothing else. He's not as physical as people make him out to be, he used to be, but it's declined over recent years. Great guy, but he can be replaced.

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Preds have to be the overall winner, made some damn good additions to that team. Liked the Sharks and B's moves as well. Hawks lost big time on this deadline, can't even get into that now so disgusted with their showing today. Some serious issues going on in that organization right now along with a GM that has no clue what he's doing.

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Giving up a 1st for Gaustad prevents them from being the winner today.

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Don't think so. This may be the only shot this organization ever has at a cup with Suter and Weber impending free agency. They recognized that and are going for it and I don't fault them for that. They will be a bitch to play come postseason.

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Need faceoffs won? Goose is the guy. Need goals/assists/big hits/fights? Look elsewhere. He's a shell of his former self as he approaches 30 years old.

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They'll bring back one of them. And with a guy like Rinne in net they'll be in the hunt every year. They're costing themselves in the future and Gaustad isn't really a piece that puts you over the top.