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Congrats to the Kansas City Penguins on their third Cup.

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It was a horrible whistle. That's the fucking point.

Huge asterisk on this one. That goal counts and they're playing Wednesday.

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I believe you mean Hamilton, Ontario Penguins.

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That little giggle from Daley was awesome.

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Glad Richard and Howe won't have to share their name with bitch ass Crosby

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He lost sight of the puck and thought Murray had it so he blew the whistle - it is what refs are instructed to do. Plus, it was that jerk sissions who put it in so karma is a bitch after his cheapshot on Maata in game 5. Additionally the refs knew it was a quick whistle so they gave a REALLY soft penalty to Sheary and then ignored clear cut penalties by rinne, sissions and ellis.

Regardless, congrats to pittsburgh fans - very happy you all beat those dirtbags even if it ties Crosby and Toews for cup wins.

No clue why the Conn Smyth was given to Crosby to be honest - my short list would have been Malkin, Guentzel and Murray.

Last thing - what a dumb ass penalty Daley took to make it a 5 on 3, luckily it did not cost the pens.

LATER TRASHVILLE - see you next season, take your catfishes and shove them up your asses! Way to go Pens, well earned victory, truthfully I have no idea how they advanced over the Jackets and the Caps given all their injuries and banged up players. To the preds, you all just got hot at the right time - the last team to qualify for the postseason goes to the final (aided by a lot of calls going their way) but got a big smackdown against a better team finally! :multi

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Watching from a bar in mexico. That was so stressful.

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Crosby for CS is a little fucking strange. Murray would have been a great choice.

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Someone is still bitter from that sweep. Its ok, you had just as many wins as the Flyers this postseason

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^ Yes, I know why he blew the whistle. I also know he had a horrible angle, and simply had to wait half a second until he was behind the line and he would've seen the puck was never close to covered.

Awful call decided the series. Awful.

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I thought they should have challenged that for offsides, not goalie interference. Stupid choice by Laviolette because that could have been called back for a possible offsides IMO - at least from the angles I saw but challenging on interference had no chance on getting that one called back.

Sorry Laviolette, that is twice in 7 years your team got beat by a better team - last time in 2010 the Hawks beat the Flyers down and now this. TS buddy! :lol

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#NotOurChampAMNhlThread2017

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It was the right call from the angle he had though, as for it deciding the series, even if it counted the Pens had more than enough time to tie it up or ho ahead - not to mention even if it did decide THIS game there would still have been a game 7 in Pittsburgh. So yeah, that certainly did not decide the series by any means.

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At this point you are trolling, cool it man.

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It was the 8 seed bro. Hawks got sweeper by the 8 seed, so Hawks fans can STFU

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It was a joke bud. Chill out

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Later dude, see you in a week troll.

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Its all Murrays fault.

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There are two refs on the ice. Give it a second and get the call right.

As for it deciding the game, did you watch it?? Zero chance Pittsburgh was scoring with how well Rinne was playing, especially if he had a 1-0 lead. The call decided the game tonight which negated the chance for a game 7. Thus it decided the series.

Awful, awful call. Period.

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Preds had a ton of chances to get it back. Had 5on 3, didnt have to pk.

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Tough to lose in such a bullshit way. I loved how well this team played all year. I knew there was something special about them even throughout the regular season and they really shined and showed how good they really were. Congrats to the Pens. I now officially hate your team but luck didn't win you games 2 and 5 so we had our chance. Lsculla FUCK YOU and FUCK THE HAWKS.

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Brohan' sheer hatred for the Pens severely outshines his love for the Caps. It fascinates me.

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The Preds did have their chances to get it back. Murray's save on the breakaway and that one that tipped off his glove were huge. Preds PP was kind of garbage. They're a fun young team. I have a feeling they'll get another chance.

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If the ref loses sight of the puck, there's no giving it a second. It sucks when something like that happens, but it wasn't illegal or nefarious.

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Miss you Chad, sorry about the lose

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At least Brohan got banned, that's one good that came out of this

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God Bless

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Sarah! Yeah it was a tough one but what can ya do.

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They had their chances. I'll probably never let that goal go though. Gonna be bitter for years whether they had chances or not. Still, Pens won so that's that.

Their seeding this year was definitely deceiving. Those of us that followed the season know the injuries and the 3v3 OT were the only things keeping us from being higher. I think the future is indeed very bright.

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Lol all the whining in here

Pens are better than Nashville, and that's no knock on Nashville


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Let's be real, even if they made the correct call they still would have had to play more than half the game without giving up a goal, and then go into Pittsburgh and win.

Not saying it couldn't have happened but fuck, it would have been difficult.

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Sid in the last calendar year
Cup
Conn Smythe
World Cup Gold
World Cup MVP
1000'th point
Hart Nominee
Rocket Richard
Another Cup
Conn Smythe

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No doubt it would have been difficult. Game would have been 1-0 with 1:30 left instead of 0-0. Pens would have had an empty net. Then yes, the Preds would have had to win in Pitt. But given the overturned goal in 1 (which was disputable) this one stung even more.

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"They had other chances to score" is such a bullshit argument. Both teams had chances all game. The ref blew the call when it mattered and it cost Nashville the game, and series, period. To lose that way is horrible.

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I had the game on in the office streaming but really didn't pay close attention. I hopefully can watch it tomorrow somehow

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Crosby's so good

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I can't believe you, of all people, are defending the refs right now. Unreal.

Brohan's ban was not deserved.

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So good that they just give him the Conn Smyth based on name alone!

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Oh I know, but I'm not complaining.

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Congrats to the Pens fans in here and to Mark Streit.

The disallowed goal wasn't exactly Brett Hull's foot in the crease bad yet still pretty bad. The Preds had plenty chances to tie that game, though, including that late 5 on 3. Better team won. Preds PP just didn't get it done.

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Blaming the refs. Classic loser talk.


Congrats to the Pens and their loyal fans here!!

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Just watched the clip of the no goal.

Wow.

Good thing we have video review in sports. :rolleyes

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LORD STANLEY LORD STANLEY GET ME THE BRANDY!!!

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I didn't watch the game so I don't really know but I have to assume you're right. Never does the outcome of a game hinge fully on one call.

Still, that's a really bad time to have a clear as day blunder. Quite simply, in a world with 1080 video resolution at the push of a button, stuff like that should never happen. But especially not in game 6 of the SCF. That's true garage league stuff.

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How does video review help that? Even live I heard the whistle. The rule is the rule. They don't even have to blow the whistle, they just have to have "intent to blow."

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You change the stupid rule. That's step 1.

In a league where inconsequential offsides are reviewed with regularity, there is no argument you can make that will convince me that that call was acceptable.

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The Ref blew the whistle. The play was dead immediately in that instant. You can't review something and award a goal when the puck crosses the line when play is stopped.

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Walkin on sunshine

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You should be able to

That's a ridiculous thought that with the technology available that what happened is just, eh, well ok. Shit happens.

Shit like that shouldn't, quite frankly.

Again, I'm sure the Predators had like thousand chances to tie it or take the lead or whatever.

But that play really shouldn't happen under the spotlight of SCF game 6. That's all I'm saying.

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I wholeheartedly agree that it was a bad call in a crucial game. I'll also point out, as you did that the Preds had plenty of other chances and the Pens never had a PP at all.

With that said, I don't agree with the notion that replay would help in that instant because (at least IMO) you can't review something that happened when play was dead. You just can't; in any sport.

Now, I'll gladly debate and acknowledge that the officiating could be improved with either another ref on the ice or another ref in the booth or in Toronto that has equal authority as the dudes on the ice so he can see things the other can't.

But, even in that situation nothing can be done if a ref on the ice blows a play dead.

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Terrible call, no doubt but yes, the Preds had more than enough chances to make right and score numerous times.

Simply put, they weren't good enough last night.

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still trying to figure out what replay could possibly do to help last night's blunder

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Told you so ;)

This was before the playoffs even started!




This guy got it.

Only Pens fan with faith early.

:lol I bet you have never been so happy to be so wrong.

no Letang = No problem

:lol :lol :lol :lol

When you have a feeling, just role with it. I wish I put money on that feeling now.

Just getting silly at this point :lol

Still can't believe all the doubt the Pens fans had even in round 1

Supper confident once his team wins it all :lol

In all seriousness though, congrats Pens fans! Enjoy this as it is the best run in your teams history and it wont last forever. Crosby has cemented his legacy for sure.

As for me, I am sad to report that this is just the 3rd time since 1995 that I didn't watch even a second of the Finals. I just got too busy to find the time to watch any game. Not really a priority for me anymore when the Rangers are not there. I guess I am becoming an older fan now.

The other 2 series were: Anaheim v Ottawa and Buffalo vs. Dallas. Every other finals I have watched at least one game.

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Replay isn't really an issue here. I don't think anyone is arguing that the play wasn't dead once it blew and the goal should have counted. The quick whistle is the problem - it was a horrible call made by a ref who was in awful position. You can almost see the linesman who skates up to him on the replay say the puck was never controlled.

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I was saddened to see that play go down. Man, that ref and how he must feel...

In the end, one of my old coaches used to say that to win any game you have to beat two things:
The other team
The refs
Bad/missed calls are going to happen, and the goal is to be good enough that they don't matter.

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:thumbsup

Doesn't excuse the performance the Preds had in game 5. They put themselves in that situation.

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Just my 2 cents - but doesn't the ref usually try to hustle behind the net real quick in that situation? So he can try and find the puck in that 1-2 seconds? He had no effort, just blew it dead.

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Made the same point last night. Take a half second to get behind the net and make sure.

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I'll certainly agree that the ref did a terrible job there. Though, as a slight counter to that, the quick whistle sometimes is used to protect the goaltender from getting plastered in the inevitable scrum. And Nashville was running Murray all series. Even so, the whistle was quick under those circumstances. And, to be fair, there is a rule under the Video Review section that allows plays whistled dead to be reviewed when it looks like the puck was going in via a "continuous action" that would have happened regardless of the whistle, whatever that exactly means. I'm not sure that applies here because Sissons hit it in well after the whistle was blown. Terrible job nonetheless.

Regardless, though I know some of you seem very sure, we can't know what would've happened if that goal counted. Yes, Rinne was playing well and the Preds were doing a good job limiting chances. But maybe the Pens would have, you know, gotten a power play (not that that had been overly effective.) Maybe Sully makes different adjustments being down a goal. There could very well have been a Game 7. However, if we are judging potential outcomes on context, then Nashville likely gets creamed in Game 7.

No matter what, it's in the books now, asterisk or no. Go to the NFL thread and ask Pats fans how much those asterisked championships bother them! :lol

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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol asterisk






Anyway, I have to say, I never get tired of seeing Mario do this....

https://www.nhl.com/news/pens-legend...am/c-289893450

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Yes. When there's stuff going on in front of the net, the ref needs to hustle over. 9/10 times that puck is in the pads of the goalie and play can safely be stopped, and that's what happened on this. He got complacent, and the consequences were obviously huge.

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I am just going to let this one slide because I have never had any issues with you and you do not generally drive everyone nuts with meltdowns - plus I know sports can bring out the worst in people, myself included. That said in the future please refrain from personal attacks, swearing at mods, etc, etc.

Go to espn.com - they are in full meltdown mode about a stolen cup and all that jazz. It is rather funny to read.

That is what I was saying last night. No amount of claiming otherwise is going to change how I feel. If that goal had counted the Pens would still have had close to 40 minutes to tie it up and Pittsburgh has shown a resiliency this season that has amazed me considering how banged up they were (frankly I was stunned they made it that far) so I think they'd have eventually broken through somehow - they had an annoying knack of doing so this whole postseason. Additionally even if that was the lone goal of the the preds would still have to play a game 7 in Pittsburgh so these claims that one single call cost nashville the series is absurd IMO.

I am the first person to criticize a bad call but this was a little different. Pollack lost sight of the puck and did what refs are supposed to do in that situation, he blew the play dead. Sure - he was a little out of position and the whistle was early IMO but the rule stands. It was a mistake on his part one a non-reviewable call (admittedly at one of the worst times possible) but I believe he genuinely thought Murray had control of the puck and blew the play dead for that reason alone. Sure it sucks to lose a goal that way but personally I would rather have something like that cost me a goal because the rule is clearly defined as opposed to say losing a goal on a bogus interference call or a questionable offsides call. Believe me, I was no fan of either of those two teams but acting like that one call cheated nashville out of the cup is preposterous because the preds had plenty of other A+ chances they didn't cash in.

Regarding that ban, the guy was just ranting and raving (a rather constant theme for him) and contributing nothing to the thread. If you notice I also warned him first but he kept at it. The ban is only a week (the shortest we have on the menu) so acting like it was a game misconduct is simply not true, I just wanted to keep the thread on topic. I do not often try and justify my decisions as a mod but this was nothing personal - I barely know they guy so I do not like or dislike him, he was trolling and that is listed as something we ban people for.

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I mean, there is SOME merit to the argument. I won't say it definitively cost them the series but give them a lead at home and maybe they buckle down and tighten up defensively and with Rinne's play it's possible they pull out the W, and then heading into game 7 anything can happen.

But it was a bullshit call, and even though the whistle blew the puck went in like a half second later, whoever it was that "put it in" was already in the motion of scoring and I think there should be a method in place to be able to count the goal. It was the right call given the rules, but the rules are wrong in this instance, IMO.

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Side note: have they announced when the parade is? If it's Wednesday I may try to get down there.

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I can agree it was a quick whistle but that one play alone cannot convince me that a single borderline call cost them the game, let alone the series. All our teams have had goals disallowed for various reasons (admittedly rarely in the SCF) but as I said I would rather have a goal disallowed on a clear cut play that was in line with the rules than lose one due to say questionable interference or offsides.

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After how you constantly bash, berate and even threaten violence (which of course you aren't gonna act on) towards referees, I do not buy your calmness

If that was the Hawks, you would be in screaming cocksucker, Stevie Wonder and proposing decapitation via hockey stick. Let's be real here.

I know that everything you've said is correct, but I can't believe it's coming from you.

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Got it. Emotion was running high last night and the first comment I see is a bunch of pro-Pens comments from a Hawks fan. My bad.

I still stand by the Fuck the Hawks though.

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It's not a single call and it's not borderline. There were two close games in this series and both were one goal games where the Pens won after Nashville had disallowed goals. Game 1, the disallowed goal obviously changes the momentum of a game. But forget about Game 1. This was a 0-0 game until 1:30 in the 3rd. Pens would have had an empty net had it been 1-0. It's not theoretical. The no goal cost us the game. Sure we had chances after; but it changes the entire complexion of a game.

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So apparently he waived it for nothing to allow him to be taken by Vegas.

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Did this just happen?

EDIT: Found this: http://www.pensburgh.com/2017/6/12/1...-rumors-fleury

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The difference is that I let it go and just stop posting after one or two rants. It was easy to be calm actually, I am no fan of either of those teams. :lol

No worries, issue is dead. As for your hating the Hawks, doesn't bug me - you are free to love and hate whatever teams you wish, same as all of us.

PS... my comments were not really pro-pens per se - truthfully I cannot stand that franchise for the simple reason that they tormented my Whalers for the first 20 years of my life. That said, I respect the way they played this season and I have a problem when people are constantly making the absurd claim that one quick whistle cost nashville the game and the series because even if it counted there were still nearly 40 minutes left to play last night and if the preds had won they'd still face a game 7 on the road.

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not forcing a buyout is not the same thing as "for nothing"

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I saw it somewhere earlier today too. No one ever said he could waive it for the expansion draft, like you can for a trade, so just assumed he couldn't. If this is true, it's the best solution for everyone.

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That assumes the preds could have prevented the pens from tying it up though, definitely not something you could have counted on. Yeah, Rinnne and the D were playing well but the Pens were getting good chances and with the talent of their offense I do not believe it is a stretch to think they could have cashed in a chance and tied the game.

If I was in your shoes I would be pissed off too but since I am a fan of neither team it is probably easier for me to see it objectively in context. It is a sucky way to lose but shit happens in sports, we have all seen that.

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I've heard Wednesday. It will be going right in front of my building (the Gulf Tower) so I'm pretty stoked about that.

The only thing about this is that you assume the Pens would not have scored. Given the way things were going, that's a reasonable assumption. However, we just don't know. Maybe the Pens get a power play. Maybe the Pens tie it up with an empty net, and the Preds lose in overtime. We will never know.

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Yeah I'm just reading now. The mayor said they will have one but no details get. Last year it was a Sunday win and a Wednesday parade, so looks good so far. I'm off Wednesday and may come down to visit my sister. Guess I'll start looking at flights today.

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no you guys the predators absolutely win the imaginary game that took place after the imaginary goal

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Literally everything is wrong in this post.

You can try to discredit the Pens all you want. But you can't. No one can.

Penguins have had clear cut goals taken off the board in these playoffs too but found a way to win.

Heart of a champion. Crosby's legacy is untouchable. Deal with it.


Why all the lol guys? I pretty much called my shot there. Still very surprised they repeated but I also said it was possible if a huge upset took place.

Nashville swept Chicago, there's your upset. I firmly believe the pens would've been too tired/depleted to beat a healthy, hot Blackhawks team in the final. But Nashville helped us by winning the west and just couldn't match the pens talent, speed and experience.

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It can't be "the right call given the rules" and a "bullshit call" at the same time. Can't have your cake and it eat it too.

Ref made the right call. That play happens all the time. Sucks for Nashville it happened in the SCF but that's the rule. Every team has been screwed by it before at some point.

Need to learn how to move on from it and overcome that adversity. That's how you become a champion.

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@renlavoietva : Marc-André Fleury accepted the Penguins request in February to waive his no move clause for the expansion draft. Only for Las Vegas.
A buyout would have served him better because then he'd get paid a big chunk and he could sign with whoever he wanted and your argument then was that he would look out for himself first and not really care about the Pens. Him waiving it benefits the Pens more than him.

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Ugh the only flight that gets me there before the 1130 parade start Wednesday means I have to catch the 0600 out of Albany. Fucking early.

Edit: this is based on last years 1130 start. No details on this years yet.

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You can even make the "argument" that the refs tried to make up that call for the rest of the game. No penalties on the Preds in an entire game?

The Pred had 3:12 of consecutive power play in the 3rd and that included 0:30+ of 5 on 3. Couldn't get it done. There was one sequence during the end of the 5 on 3 that subban and someone else just played catch for about 0:10.

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Pretty much no one is saying this at all but ok

The point is, it shouldn't happen all the time. There's ways to make it not happen. Pretty easily, too.

The NHL should be embarrassed that they have to deal with this today.

Garage league strikes again. That's all anyone is really saying.

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I'm still trying to figure out how this is easily avoided when a ref on the ice whistles the play dead.

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Also I liked the thread title better with the (where the President's trophy matters but covering the puck doesn't) better than the garage leauge one. I vote we go with that.

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There are cameras all over the building

Save the response about "but the play is dead so that means all of a sudden Im blind and can't process things" nonsense.

The puck wasn't covered. Period. Everyone in the building minus the one that blew the whistle knew that. So let's fix the fucking rulebook. It's a common sense thing. That's what I'm trying to get at.

Just because "the play is dead" doesn't mean I lose ability to see and respond to what is happening. As reasonable people, we should probably implement a system that keeps this from happening. It doesn't need to.

Again, the fact that this happened is textbook NHL stuff and now they have to hear about it all day. Which is what they deserve. Because that was ridiculous and far too important of a game for something like that to have happened.

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I'm not sure why you don't think this can be easily avoided, kargs

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How on earth to you write something like this into the rule book?

A whistle blows but how long to do the players get to use "common sense" and play on?

A whistle blows and the goalie pulls up but the shooter doesn't... still a good goal?

I'm not saying it was a good call at all. I'm saying there is nothing you can do once a whistle blows. Play is dead.

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See my above post. How would you legislate something like that... what would be allowable after a whistle blows and for how long?

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I'm saying let's exclude the puck being covered thing as irreversible damage. If the puck wasn't covered, and video replay can prove that, write the rule that the goal therefore counts.

There are rules that require a bit of subjectivity all throughout the rulebook. This can be cut and dry enough that, even with that subjectivity, a rule can be written.

Rule 1230497123047 part a) if the ref blows the whistle and negates a goal because he believes the puck was covered, but video replay proves that the puck was not covered, the goal shall stand.

Not sure why that's a difficult concept.

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schrodinger's cat is both dead and alive at the same time. players should both play and not play, with no regard for whistles, until the end of time and let the replay cameras figure out what was supposed to happen

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

Rattled Vanilla Pens fan being rattled

That's literally not at all what anyone is saying.

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

All the arguing about playoff games makes me think...Can't wait for the draft!

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

no, anyone is not saying that. you, specifically, are saying that. don't hide behind a non existent group.

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

I have said nothing at all resembling let players play with total anarchy

Get a grip bud

The fact that you guys are defending this obnoxiously bad blunder with such conviction is impressive

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters but covering the puck doesn't
 

I get what you are saying but there are WAY to many hypotheticals to account for to allow play after a whistle.

What if in that instance the whistle blows but instead of the puck going in the net the Pens got an odd man break the other way and scored? Still a good goal?

How long do they get to play after a whistle?

What if a team enters a zone offside and one ref blows his whistle? Can they play on until the goalie covers the puck or they lose the zone before you review the offside?

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

a group states that the call sucked but there's no other way to interpret the rules

an individual states that the rulebook should be changed because he's just so steamed that the team he hates won

I guess insanity is just a matter of perspective

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

Also, I believe it is worth noting that karma is a bitch. In game 5 sissions gave a cheap shot to maata that smashed his face but was somehow not suspended so I find it rather fitting that he scored the 'goal' that got called back.

I also agree with what you said - I would also point out that Nashville got some soft calls that resulted in PP's = specifically the minor on Sheary that was pretty much a makeup call for the quick whistle - not to mention rinne certain deserved a slashing penalty a few minutes after that phantom goal but was not called for it.

Re: The NHL Thread (where the Presidents Trophy matters but covering the puck doesn't
 

I think in instances specifically like what happened last night (a team knocks in a loose puck as the whistle is being blown or immediately after, something that happens frequently) should be reversible. I don't think it's unreasonable to write a rule that that play can be reviewed and reversed if necessary. As for everything else, for now it should stand as it is. If the puck isn't covered but the whistle goes, so long as the puck isn't in the process of going into the net (like last night), the play is dead.

I understand it's subjective. But there are already subjective rules that allow and disallow goals. This type of play shouldn't be excluded from that after-the-fact subjectivity. It shouldn't be an oops, we fucked up hard, but the rule is the rule and that's that. It's not unreasonable to word a rule to keep this specific situation from going the wrong way.

The other situations are too complicated and therefore can't be written. But this one can.

Re: The NHL Thread (Penns are garage league champs)
 

I have no interest in continuing with you.

I don't see you in here much but we don't usually do this kind of hocus pocus trolling thing in here. It doesn't have anything to do with it being the Pens or whoever. If you choose to not have a reasonable conversation, I am finished responding to you.