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and thats why Stamkos eliminated Kane just one round before.....got it.

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oh, and this too

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:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Guy's done it all before the age of 23. Haters gonna hate.

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Gimme Stamkos any day of the week. That's not a slight on Toews but Stamkos is just that damn good.

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toews has the intangibles guys... intangibles!

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Getting under the skin of you Chicago fans is so easy. Honestly between the two there is no wrong choice

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Toews ftw.

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No wrong choice but I'll take the proven winner.

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Seriously, it's like picking Ovechkin over Crosby. It doesn't make sense.

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Totally different comparison at this point in their careers.

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Not really. Ovie is a goal scorer, so is Stamkos.

Toews and Crosby both do it all. Toews will kill penalties, win you faceoffs on the PK or PP, get in the corners and dig out the puck, he can play the role of playmaker ( http://youtu.be/tTnvVYJMNYs?t=2m27s ), is a Selke nominee, or he can score goals ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obp8G2JFgkM ).

Don't get me wrong, if I were starting a franchise, Stamkos would be my thought around pick 3 or 4, but Crosby and Toews are 1 and 2, IMO, because they do it all. As well rounded as they get.

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Chris, you and I don't always agree on everything, but I'm with you 100% on this one.

Crosby and Toews have the attitudes that make not just good hockey players, but great ones. Leaders. Unless he somehow completely loses his game, we will be talking about Johnny Toews in 20 years the same way we talk about Nick Lidstrom, Joe Sakic, and Steve Yzerman right now.

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I don't know the names of those announcers you guys have in Colorado, but I've always loved how much props they give to #19 on that goal he scored against the Avs.

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:thumbsup:thumbsup It was a beauty of a goal... plus back then (and now) they don't have much accolades to give the Avs, so they gotta give 'em to someone! :lol

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I don't think it's fair at this point because Stamkos hasn't had enough time to develop his defensive game at the NHL level yet, whereas Ovechkin has. Am I saying that Stammer will ever have the defensive game of Toews, no I'm not. But to say he will be strictly a goal scorer his whole career is a little short minded imo. Yes, I also understand that Toews is young and can develop more as well, but give me the guy with 2 seasons of over 40 goals, including 1 over 50 that's only 21 years old anyday of the week.

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Hockey is a team game though. Anybody can score goals, but to have a guy who can do much, much more--and more importantly, lead a team--is invaluable. You're right, Stamkos is only 21 years old. He hasn't even cut into his whole game yet. But Toews just has everything under his belt, and he's only two years older. It's a tough call anyway you break it down, but come on, Toews has got it all.

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there are 3 players in the entire city of Chicago, that no matter what you are offering I am not trading them.

Derrick Rose
Starlin Castro
Jonathan Toews

If the right thing came along for Stamkos, I would trade him. Once he loses St. Louis it will be interesting to see what he does.

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:lol If Stamkos was on the Hawks you would feel totally differently.

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I agree with the first part of your post. I've mentioned them already, but look at how Yzerman and Sakic began their careers... pure offensive talents. The last half of their careers, however, they were both lauded for their play at both ends of the ice and their leadership abilities.

Stamkos is in the same position as Sakic and Yzerman were at the beginning of their careers, and I think he's got it in him to become the type of talent they were (I think the same of Toews and Crosby). He's got a great attitude, is a hard worker, and I think as he grows and is handed more of the leadership reigns (when Lecavalier and St. Louis are gone), I think we'll see him develop in much the same way Toews and Crosby are now.

That being said, if I was to pick one player right now, it would definitely be Toews.

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I would trade Kane. The right deal would have to come around, which is highly unlikely, but I would never ever trade Toews.

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Exactly, just like we would never trade Richa....

God damn it, Homer.

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Is there an official fantasy league yet or can i start one?

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Just like Edmonton would never trade Gretzky.

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23 years ago yesterday.

Found it interesting that the Canucks were one of the teams involved. Imagine if that were to happen. No Sharks, Ducks, Lightning, Panthers and so on. NHL would probably be around 24 teams and not in the south.

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Kane is good but he's not Stamkos.

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Crazy to think of the effect he had on the off-ice aspects of the game.

I haven't heard the Canucks rumors. ESPN did a pretty good 30 for 30 show on the trade.

I hear him and Stamkos are lookin' to come to Philly.

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Yeah Brian Burke (who was the asst. GM in Vancouver at the time did an interview on TSN radio yesterday talking about it. He said him and Pat Quinn couldn't justify giving up the money ($18mil is what he said). Also wanted their top two players a 3 1st rounders but said it was the money that was holding them back. Ticket prices were, get this, $28 for top of the line tickets and with a team rebuilding and only around 7k season ticket holders it would have been tough to make up that money. Especially since $18mil was almost a whole teams payroll back then.

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That's crazy. I can't picture him on there. I'm glad it didn't go down that way, it would have been crappy for both wayne and the league.

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Oh yeah, more teams in Florida, Nashville, Columbus, and Atlanta...wippeee