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TMoore4075 02-23-2017 08:47 AM

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I'm curious how it works out for the Wings. There's really only one decent D in the top guys and who knows if they'll get him or want him or if he'll even work out. Part of me with the weak class maybe it gets teams to give up higher picks than they would have previously and the more picks you have either the better chances you get or maybe you can package them.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 16725827)
I think he will for sure. I'm thinking they bring in a 4th line winger

i'd rather just go hard after Duchene at this point. a bottom 6 winger doesn't do much for them IMO.

maybe you even move Bonino to make room, or TRY Duchene at wing (although i feel that experiment would fail, he's a centerman at this point)

Sheary should be back for the playoffs and adding Duchene would get Eric Fehr out of the lineup. if the blue line is going to be weak, then you might as well solidify your forwards:

Sheary-Crosby-Guentzel
Wilson-Malkin-Hornqvist
Kessel-Duchene-Hagelin
Kunitz-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

now THAT is a sexy looking group of forwards


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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16725832)
He will be the type whose praises you'll sing if the injuries start to pile up in the playoffs.

2nd rounder is steep, but a good contributing depth player. It is apparent the Pens have drafted very well, and perhaps that's what made the pick expendable in the eyes of Rutherford.

yes, the Baby Pens are stacked with talent, but at first blush i just don't see Hainsey contributing to the point of warranting a 2nd round pick. hopefully i'm wrong though.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725858)
Schultz is practicing today in a regular jersey.

Take it easy, Pens fans. What are you? Hawks fans? Step off the ledge. You're fine.

forgive us for not being optimistic about concussions :lol

we are officially scarred by that specific injury

fonzz41 02-23-2017 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16725866)
i'd rather just go hard after Duchene at this point. a bottom 6 winger doesn't do much for them IMO.

maybe you even move Bonino to make room, or TRY Duchene at wing (although i feel that experiment would fail, he's a centerman at this point)

Duchene has been playing RW for much of the past two seasons. Part of his appeal is his versatility and ability to play both positions on the fly. He's lethal coming off those boards as left-handed shot.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16725872)
Duchene has been playing RW for much of the past two seasons. Part of his appeal is his versatility and ability to play both positions on the fly. He's lethal coming off those boards as left-handed shot.

yea i'm sure he is but the Pens already have their top 6 wingers...too much shuffling can be counter-productive

plus, Duchene's faceoff numbers are VERY tasty. Pens need help in the faceoff dot.

fonzz41 02-23-2017 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16725879)
yea i'm sure he is but the Pens already have their top 6 wingers...too much shuffling can be counter-productive

plus, Duchene's faceoff numbers are VERY tasty. Pens need help in the faceoff dot.

Who would you send to the Avs for him?

I'd take Ian Cole as PART of a package, I'll tell you that much.

EDIT: And as for shuffling, tell that to Coach Q :lol

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16725880)
Who would you send to the Avs for him?

I'd take Ian Cole as PART of a package, I'll tell you that much.

EDIT: And as for shuffling, tell that to Coach Q :lol

i actually like Ian Cole a lot and would want him to stay. plus, giving up more blue-liners doesn't seem likely at this point.

i think it would be a 1st round pick for sure

then maybe Fehr or Kunitz (because of contracts)

if the Avs don't want either of those players (and they probably don't), then you either throw in another very high draft pick and make the Avs cover some of Duchene's salary, OR we get into the MAF territory

it's a very difficult deal to make IMO but GMJR has his ways

fonzz41 02-23-2017 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16725888)
i actually like Ian Cole a lot and would want him to stay. plus, giving up more blue-liners doesn't seem likely at this point.

i think it would be a 1st round pick for sure

then maybe Fehr or Kunitz (because of contracts)

if the Avs don't want either of those players (and they probably don't), then you either throw in another very high draft pick and make the Avs cover some of Duchene's salary, OR we get into the MAF territory

it's a very difficult deal to make IMO but GMJR has his ways

I think Sakic will stick hard and fast to his current asking price of a roster player (preferably D), prospect, and pick. He should, anyways. Cole would be right up their alley. I totally get not wanting to lose him. I wouldn't.

Kunitz and Fehr are the types of players the Avs are trying to shed. No deal there.

MAF is an intriguing possibility, if the Avs can unload Varlamov, which I don't think they'd be able to do at the deadline considering his injury status.

It looks like the Avs and Pens are trying to unload the same types of players (aging vet forwards), while trying to get/keep the same thing (solid D). That may make them unlikely trade partners.

coldengrey12 02-23-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16725895)
I think Sakic will stick hard and fast to his current asking price of a roster player (preferably D), prospect, and pick. He should, anyways. Cole would be right up their alley. I totally get not wanting to lose him. I wouldn't.

Kunitz and Fehr are the types of players the Avs are trying to shed. No deal there.

MAF is an intriguing possibility, if the Avs can unload Varlamov, which I don't think they'd be able to do at the deadline considering his injury status.

It looks like the Avs and Pens are trying to unload the same types of players (aging vet forwards), while trying to get/keep the same thing (solid D). That may make them unlikely trade partners.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/nhia-i-was...e-14252941.png

I figured I'd share this with my fellow Avs fan.

:lol ... :shrug ... :lorraine

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16725895)
I think Sakic will stick hard and fast to his current asking price of a roster player (preferably D), prospect, and pick. He should, anyways. Cole would be right up their alley. I totally get not wanting to lose him. I wouldn't.

Kunitz and Fehr are the types of players the Avs are trying to shed. No deal there.

MAF is an intriguing possibility, if the Avs can unload Varlamov, which I don't think they'd be able to do at the deadline considering his injury status.

It looks like the Avs and Pens are trying to unload the same types of players (aging vet forwards), while trying to get/keep the same thing (solid D). That may make them unlikely trade partners.

i agree with pretty much everything here. the great equalizers are draft picks and prospects though. The Pens could blow the doors down to get Duchene if they really wanted to but i'm not sure GMJR will do that.

Lcsulla 02-23-2017 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725509)
It won't be those guys. If anyone, it's Ville Pokka.

You really think they won't ask about one of those guys or maybe Motte? I know the Dallas D is pretty unsteady but acquiring a young FWD is a nice catch for any club.I honestly don't believe they will move Pokka, he is probably going to end up as the pure D guy on a second pairing at some point and with the expansion draft coming up it is possible Vegas will snag TVR so keeping Pokka in the AHL could lessen the impact of losing TVR if it happens (both of us know the 3 defenders they are going to protect are Keith, Seabrook and Hjarlmasson). I'd rather lose no one to expansion but I fear we are going to lose someone young and solid and TVR certainly checks all the boxes.

The way this team is playing now I don't see much need to make a huge splash but if the price was right for a rental to increase our chances of a deep run I would be willing to part with perhaps Motte and demand Dallas eat most of Sharp's remaining salary - not like they are in a position to haggle too much with Chicago because we don't really NEED Sharp as much as I would like him for a playoff push - he has been a postseason beast for us in the past. I think the younger guys (Hinestroza, Hartman, Kero and Abbot - if called back up) are going to continue to get better as the season goes on and the vets will keep the same pace. Basically we have 3 lines hitting on all cylinders a damn good defense and 2 goalies they would be starters on many teams so there is no urgent need to tweak too much. If the price is right go ahead and snag Sharp (I can pull my Sharp sweater out of the 'old jersey bin' lol) but if not we can forge ahead knowing that any line we put out there is capable of outplaying opponents - Hossa is the perfect example, yeah he is a third liner by necessity but he'd be a first liner on almost any other team and the Hawks double shift him to keep his ice time up and he is damn good on special teams.

Guess we will know in a week whether Bowman is sticking to his prediction that we will make no major moves at the deadline unless a gift falls into our lap.

aeroshady 02-23-2017 10:03 AM

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Anyone think that Alexandre Burrows could be on the move at the deadline? He is 35, but has some solid experience to bring to the table for current cup hopefuls.

~Crashintome89~ 02-23-2017 10:12 AM

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I can't believe the Pens gave up a 2nd for Hainsey.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16725966)
I can't believe the Pens gave up a 2nd for Hainsey.

injuries and a stocked farm system makes it a little easier to swallow

definitely overpaid, but i'd rather overpay to try to repeat than stand pat

i don't envy GMJR, he's in a tough spot

lockman21 02-23-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16725966)
I can't believe the Pens gave up a 2nd for Hainsey.

I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725993)
I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...pumped_kid.gif

TheLastPig 02-23-2017 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725993)
I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16725999)

:lol :lol

Lcsulla 02-23-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16725989)
injuries and a stocked farm system makes it a little easier to swallow

definitely overpaid, but i'd rather overpay to try to repeat than stand pat

i don't envy GMJR, he's in a tough spot

Yeah, know what you mean. We overpaid a tad for Ladd last year as a rental and it didn't help us repeat. It is so tough in the cap era to repeat that even powerhouses like Chicago and Pittsburgh somehow end up getting bounced for one reason or another. Sort of wish the cap was structured like MLB where if you go over you can just pay a fine that will easily be repaid in a nights ticket and concession sales for a round 1 game.

aeroshady 02-23-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16725966)
I can't believe the Pens gave up a 2nd for Hainsey.

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725993)
I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

:lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=Asht...Wduzqh3F1YBiM:

TMoore4075 02-23-2017 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16726021)
Yeah, know what you mean. We overpaid a tad for Ladd last year as a rental and it didn't help us repeat. It is so tough in the cap era to repeat that even powerhouses like Chicago and Pittsburgh somehow end up getting bounced for one reason or another. Sort of wish the cap was structured like MLB where if you go over you can just pay a fine that will easily be repaid in a nights ticket and concession sales for a round 1 game.

While a fan of the big days of a 77mil payroll in 2004 for the Wings, while some teams were in the low 20's, I wish so too. Wings would never have lost Hossa for example. But a team like CBJ wouldn't be where they are if it was that way because Detroit and others would scoop up as much talent as possible.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16726021)
Yeah, know what you mean. We overpaid a tad for Ladd last year as a rental and it didn't help us repeat. It is so tough in the cap era to repeat that even powerhouses like Chicago and Pittsburgh somehow end up getting bounced for one reason or another. Sort of wish the cap was structured like MLB where if you go over you can just pay a fine that will easily be repaid in a nights ticket and concession sales for a round 1 game.

a tad for Ladd :lol

but i don't really agree with the MLB structure. i like the cap as is...it should be hard to repeat

taking away the 3 point game is the biggest issue in today's current NHL IMO

that, and #garageleague nonsense

~Crashintome89~ 02-23-2017 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725993)
I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

http://i.imgur.com/Sb8xscp.jpg

lockman21 02-23-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lcsulla (Post 16726021)
Yeah, know what you mean. We overpaid a tad for Ladd last year as a rental and it didn't help us repeat. It is so tough in the cap era to repeat that even powerhouses like Chicago and Pittsburgh somehow end up getting bounced for one reason or another. Sort of wish the cap was structured like MLB where if you go over you can just pay a fine that will easily be repaid in a nights ticket and concession sales for a round 1 game.

I like the hard cap. The "cap" in MLB/NBA is a joke. Hard cap works for the NHL, or else the Hawks/Pens would just load up every year like the old days. As much as I selfishly would love Saad, Oduya, Leddy, Ladd, Big Buff, etc. all still around, it's just not the right landscape for the NHL.

hailtopitt 02-23-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16726037)

:lol one of my favorite skits ever

~Crashintome89~ 02-23-2017 11:25 AM

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"how do you know you're gonna be a leader in the future?" is probably my favorite line from the second one.

lockman21 02-23-2017 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16726037)

http://i.imgur.com/kCU173N.gifv

TMoore4075 02-23-2017 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16726042)
I like the hard cap. The "cap" in MLB/NBA is a joke. Hard cap works for the NHL, or else the Hawks/Pens would just load up every year like the old days. As much as I selfishly would love Saad, Oduya, Leddy, Ladd, Big Buff, etc. all still around, it's just not the right landscape for the NHL.

My team was one of the teams that got "hurt" the most back in 2005 and I'm ok with it. It was fun but the league overall is better off like this. Hell maybe the Hawks and Pens aren't where they are without this system. Small market teams struggle anyway and if we had the NBA type system, it would be worse.

fonzz41 02-23-2017 11:38 AM

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The parity in the league right now is phenomenal. With the exception of a couple (ahem), almost every team in the league is good. That's awesome.

aeroshady 02-23-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16726036)
a tad for Ladd :lol

but i don't really agree with the MLB structure. i like the cap as is...it should be hard to repeat

taking away the 3 point game is the biggest issue in today's current NHL IMO

that, and #garageleague nonsense

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16726042)
I like the hard cap. The "cap" in MLB/NBA is a joke. Hard cap works for the NHL, or else the Hawks/Pens would just load up every year like the old days. As much as I selfishly would love Saad, Oduya, Leddy, Ladd, Big Buff, etc. all still around, it's just not the right landscape for the NHL.


:thumbsup


Agreed. I can't imagine what the NY Rangers would be like if they were still allowed to pay insane money for aging stars. We sucked because we tried to buy players that were past their prime.

I am guessing The Rangers current lineup would look something like this:

Jagr $15mil/year for 37 years
Zdeno Chara $18mil/year for 15 years
Shane Doan $12mil/ year for 25 years
Jarome Iginla $9mil/year for 7 years
Ovechkin or Malkin at $25mil/year for 100 years or until death.

Roose13 02-23-2017 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16725993)
I know as a Flyers fan you're not used to it, but that's what winning franchises do when they have the chance at the Cup.

We actually do. Unfortunately those trades didn't pan out in 2008 and 2010. Kinda like the Rangers and Lightning their opps the last few years.


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