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Rebecca De Mornay 07-06-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14701059)
So did see Horton out until December. That sucks. Gotta hope they stay above water until then. Don't dig too big of a hole.

Yeah he said yesterday that he is going into surgery hopefully next week or the week after and then a 4-6 month recovery.

It's all going to depend on how BOBROVSKY!!! plays anyways, whether Horton is healthy or not. They still don't have enough offensive to Pittsburgh Penguin teams.

Roose13 07-06-2013 10:41 AM

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Lecavlier had a lot of great quotes today. Pretty excited to see what he can bring to Philly in this system. And he's open to playing wing, so we may see him with Giroux a bit.

Here's my story: http://flyers.thecheckingline.com/bl...-coming-philly

JRS1386 07-06-2013 08:57 PM

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/94...st-louis-blues

Roy is now a Blues

Roose13 07-08-2013 09:10 AM

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The Legion of Doom with the LCB Line, no big deal: https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/354268640830423040

s0628711 07-08-2013 09:30 AM

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So happy the rangers locked up macdonagh. That will go down as some of the best money they have ever spent.


And the obligatory "Thank you so much Montreal!"

Roose13 07-08-2013 09:32 AM

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John Moore ain't too bad either. You should be thanking the Flyers via Anaheim via Columbus :lol:lol (The pick he was taken with was traded to the Ducks for Chris Pronger; and was then traded to CBJ who drafted him.)

s0628711 07-08-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705022)
John Moore ain't too bad either. You should be thanking the Flyers via Anaheim via Columbus :lol:lol (The pick he was taken with was traded to the Ducks for Chris Pronger; and was then traded to CBJ who drafted him.)

Oh I'm happy with Moore as well.

But Sather traded one of the worst contracts ever for one of the best all around defenseman in the game today.

I'm hoping with Moore and stralman seemingly in the fold long term now, I hope it means the MDZ era is nearing its' end.

dmbwadeo 07-08-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by s0628711 (Post 14705018)
So happy the rangers locked up macdonagh. That will go down as some of the best money they have ever spent.


And the obligatory "Thank you so much Montreal!"

Wait you don't want Gomez back? I wonder what pictures Sather has of Gainey!

fonzz41 07-08-2013 11:39 AM

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Didn't check in much over the long weekend, but some thoughts over one of the most exciting free agency opening days in a while:

- Can't believe how much money was spent. Clowe, Clarkson, Filpulla, even Weiss all got overpaid. Oh well.

- Interesting to see some of the lateral moves that took place. Clarkson leaves, Devs sign Clowe. Clutterbuck traded, Minny signs Cooke. Flyers buy out Briere, sign Lecavalier. Different reasons for the moves, I know, but just interesting.

Winners:
- Senators: Fans can't be happy that Alfredsson left, but man, kudos to Murray for not hanging his head. Within a matter of hours, he lands a top-line scorer in Bobby Ryan. I'm excited to see what he can do with either Spezza or Turris (can see him doing well with both). MacArthur is one of the more underrated signings. He'll do well.
- Oilers: Ference is the perfect fit attitude wise for the Oilers right now. Gordon was overpaid, but will fill Horcoff's spot nicely.
- Boston: Like I briefly typed over the weekend, I think the Bruins stole this trade. Eriksson is the complete package: fast, tough, GREAT hands, defensively responsible, good leader. Reminds me a ton of Peter Forsberg. Morrow adds even more depth to the blueline, giving them some bargaining pieces for later. And hey, I like the Iginla signing, as hilarious as it is. I always thought he would be a great Bruin.
- Nashville: They always win by committee, and they added some great players to fit in well with their team system in Cullen, Nystrom, Hendricks, and (gulp) Stalberg.
- Carolina: I think Komisarek will do well with a change of scenery, and Khudobin has the potenital to be the darkhorse of this year's signings.
- Phoenix: The fact that they got anyone - especially a scorer - is a win in my book. Say what you will about Ribeiro, but the guy usually produces. Re-signing Smith was also huge.

In-Betweeners:
- Detroit: Ken Holland is a master at addressing team needs, and kudos to him for going out and getting a serviceable 2nd line center in Weiss. He paid a lot for him, but we'll see how Weiss does in a winning system. I like the thought of Alfredsson playing with Z... but it reminds me a bit of the Modano signing. Hopefully doesn't end the same way.
- Islanders: Love the addition of Clutterbuck. Neidereitter wasn't going anywhere with the Isles anyways, so may as well let him go. Bouchard is injury prone, but could work magic with Tavares. Don't really understand bringing Nabokov back.
- Jackets: Nathan Horton is the head man now. We'll see, I guess...
- Pens: Bringing back Scuderi was a key move. But they've got soooo much salary committed to so few players, I can't see this ending well for the Pens. I just can't.
- Stars: Yeah, the Bruins won this trade, but Seguin is still #1 center potential. Doesn't have the all-around game that Eriksson did, but has the talent to score a lot in Dallas. Interested to see him paired with Benn.
- Leafs: Clarkson and Bolland are great depth additions who will produce on the scoresheet, but who's going to play center on the top line? Bozak? BTW, Clarkson and Bozak are laughing all the way to the bank

Wut?
- Lightning: Really? $5 mil for Filpulla?
- Flyers: OK, I like the Emery signing, but this organization is completely lost.
- Devils: I like the Schneider deal at the draft, but the dramatic overpayment for Clowe just proves how hard it is for NJ to convince people to play for them.
- Avs: ANDRE BENOIT???? THAT'S YOUR ONE SIGNING? GAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!!

tl;dnr

Roose13 07-08-2013 01:35 PM

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A lot of people, including myself, don't really think the Flyers are lost. Got Vinny and Emery for bargains, drafted for the future, and could actually be a good team if they just stay healthy. It's not a 48-game season every year.

s0628711 07-08-2013 01:39 PM

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I don't really see how lecavalier can be considered a bargain. And the flyers just threw in the no move clause for the hell of it I guess?

Roose13 07-08-2013 01:47 PM

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AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

fonzz41 07-08-2013 01:53 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705771)
A lot of people, including myself, don't really think the Flyers are lost. Got Vinny and Emery for bargains, drafted for the future, and could actually be a good team if they just stay healthy. It's not a 48-game season every year.

Sorry John, I just don't see any improvement on this roster. Changes were made, but things basically stayed the same. I could be totally wrong once the season starts and we see these guys on the ice, but I just don't see an organizational direction from the Flyers right now. Seems like they're making moves just to make moves, rolling the dice and hoping they get a good number. And to be fair, there's a couple teams like that in the NHL right now, my Avs being perhaps worse off than Philly in some regards (except for cap issues).

You look at a team like the Senators. A few years ago they announced they were "rebuilding" and urged fans to stay patient and promised to stay the course even if it was painful. They shed payroll, got rid of just about every vet on the roster except for Alfie, Phillips, and Spezza, and dug in for the long haul. Look what it's done for them. They had an organizational purpose, they stuck with it, and now they're better than anyone ever thought they would be by this time. No one predicted the Sens to do what they've done the past couple seasons, and I don't think they're even close to their goal.

I just don't see that from a few teams in this league, the Flyers being one of them.

Roose13 07-08-2013 02:28 PM

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Honestly, heading into the 2012-13 season, the Flyers were looking to be in good shape. They have a pretty strong unit defensively when you look at them healthy

-Meszaros/L Schenn
-Timonen/Coburn
-Grossmann/Gustafsson (he should have been given a shot from day one)

Yes, that defense looked bad on paper, but the style of hockey the Flyers played should have balanced that out. Unfortunately, the guys weren't scoring -- sophomore slumps from their three big young guys, injuries to Hartnell/Briere, added pressure on Giroux in his first year as captain, especially when he never had a consistent line around him.

Looking at the team now, their defense is actually deep if it remains healthy. You have the same 6 guys I mentioned up top, added Streit who will give the Flyers at least two good years, and a guy like Oliver Lauridsen became the physical presence the Flyers lacked when Pronger took a stick to the face.

Then you have the top 6 forwards in Giroux, Voracek, Hartnell, B Schenn, Simmonds and Lecavalier. Behind that is a very strong third line with Couturier, Read and possibly Gagne (still a good chance Coburn/Meszaros is traded to allow them to sign Gagne). Players like Raffl, Laughton, Straka, Cousins, Noebels and Akeson are all gonna be competing to make the club (three of them were top 60 picks).

Then you get to goaltending. They finally have two reliable goalies, the first true 1-2 system they've had since Niitty and Biron were here. Emery is more mature and has rebounded while Mason has a change of scenery and clean slate in front of him. Both players are on one-year deals and will be fighting to win the starting job this season as well as a multi-year contract as the next starting goalie for the Flyers.

There a lot of positive variables on this roster heading into this season. If things honestly go the way I just wrote down now, this team will have a good season. Am I saying they'll win the Cup? Nah, let's see first how well this team does click. But they are far from being a lost organization, especially when they were a disaster last season.

And that is the most positive thing I've said about this team in a while, especially since I'm sick of Ed Snider.

bradshaw06 07-08-2013 02:40 PM

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Don't really know what the pens are doing. I mean, Scuderi is a nice player, but i wonder if he'll do well in the pens system, it isnt anything like LA. Dupuis, another guy that does great with the pens, got a contract that dollar wise is a steal, but term wise, probably two years too long. I wonder what will happen with him when the wheels start to go. I mean, he a great player, but when the playoffs roll around, teams focus on shutting down Crosby and Malkin, and Dupuis can't produce on his own. Adams, a great pker but not anything else was also brought back for 2 years. The pens honestly have the worst 4th line in the league at the moment. Really up against the cap now, i would have liked to see shero try and get younger. Instead of Scuds, let Depres play all year in a top 4 role, or even move Orpik/Niskanen for cap relief if Scuderi was absolutely necessary. Instead of Dupuis, let Bennett play with Crosby. As for Fleury and Bylsma...I don't think either should have been brought back. Vokoun in the playoffs proved that its not the system that allows Fleury to fail, Fleury is just a spazz.

the way its looking now:
Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis
Jokinen-Malkin-Neal
Bennett-Sutter-Jeffrey
Glass-Adams-Vitale
Harry Z

that bottom 6 is really weak. Both physically and in terms of scoring.

Letang-Scuderi
Martin-Orpik
Niskanen-Despres
Engalland

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 03:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705834)
AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

:lol No, his age is his reason for decline. He is well past his prime, and Tampa has been a high-scoring team so you really can't blame Boucher.

He might have a better season next year than any of those guys but he is much older than any of them and they signed him for 5 years with a NTC. There is no way this can work out well.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 03:36 PM

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Lecavalier has been on the decline in points every year since the end of the the 2007-2008 season (except one 3 point increase between years). While I think he can add a lot to this team, leadership wise, I am hesitant to say his offensive contributions will be worth the contract. Also, I am not sold on our defensive unit. I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but this is the Flyers and we all know how their seasons typically play out.

Roose13 07-08-2013 04:38 PM

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33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706317)
33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Yes. Forwards' primes are usually ages 23-27. He's way past his prime.

swordo84 07-08-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706317)
33 is not past his prime :lol:lol

Yes, yes it is.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 05:39 PM

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His stats have declined, he can still perform, but not at the level you think he can or that can warrant his money, unless he surprises

Roose13 07-08-2013 05:45 PM

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I'm not saying he's gonna score 100 points but I would pay $4.5 million to a guy who can put up 70 points when there are guys making more and scoring less.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 05:47 PM

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He hasn't gotten 70 points since 09-10, though that is the last time he has played a full 82

Bron Yr Aur 07-08-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14706493)
I'm not saying he's gonna score 100 points but I would pay $4.5 million to a guy who can put up 70 points when there are guys making more and scoring less.

He's missed about 15-20% of the last three seasons. So already you have to hope he can stay healthy. And the older you get, the tougher it is to be productive even if you are playing in all the games. I'll take the under on 70 points. Maybe 60.

It's not like people who are criticizing the deal think he will be a terrible player this year or next year. It's a shitty contract because you are guaranteeing $4.5m to an already-declining 33 yr old until he is 37.

lockman21 07-08-2013 06:16 PM

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Sorry John, have to 100% disagree with you here. You know I have much love and respect for you, but your coming off as a big time homer.

Emery was half good because he had arguably the best defensive corps in front of him all season (same goes for Crawford). In today's NHL, you don't need a Hasek or Roy...you need defenseman that can solidify the back end while simultaneously moving the puck up ice and through the neutral zone. The Flyers failed to address that, which was their biggest freakin need. This is a team that used both it's compliance buy outs already, and has 14 players signed next season (0 goaltenders) and only $12 million in cap space to fill out the rest of the roster! And even worse, there is almost 0 depth talent to bring up to fill up spots!

They want to win every year, I get that, but by signing Lecavalier they basically put the writing on the wall for an incredibly talented kid in Brayden Schenn to go elsewhere after this season. At some point, you have to abandon the "WIN NOW" mentality when it's just not there, and start saving cap space for the future. Maybe the signing of Lecavalier and Streit doesn't cripple them this season, but what about after that? The modern day NHL isn't about just "what's next year look like"? Every team has to have a 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plan at all times. The Flyers looking lost is mostly because of that. None of what they are doing makes sense long term or short term. Did they get much better next season? Not really. Swapped Briere for Lecavalier and Gustafsson with Streit, and replaced Bryz with Emery/Mason.

Blame the Flyers issues on a 48 game season all you want, but that team not only finished poorly, but looked AWFUL. I don't buy into this plan at all. At it's best, it's lipstick on a pig, and a dying pig at that. They keep feeding that dying, lipsticked pig as much old food as they possibly can without it exploding and hoping it can run a marathon.

That analogy is ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't buy what they're selling. Sure, maybe they'll contend this year a little bit, be more competitive...as long as Emery and Mason work out (which I doubt)...but their 3-ish year plan looks like absolute dog shit.

lockman21 07-08-2013 06:17 PM

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Oh God, John...if you're thinking Lecavalier is going to put up 70 points...you're in for a long, LONG season.

~Crashintome89~ 07-08-2013 08:32 PM

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Yeah Chris, he's actually going to put up a 100 point season.

JRS1386 07-08-2013 08:36 PM

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He did for me in NHL 12 :multi

DmBand801 07-08-2013 08:38 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14705834)
AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.

Oh, he also got less money than Clarkson and Weiss, very similar numbers to Clowe, and will have a better season than all three next year. I guarantee it.

He probably will, but that's not fair/saying much; three different styles of play in comparison to Lecavalier.

DmBand801 07-08-2013 08:41 PM

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Boston singed Chad Johnson to back up Rask? Love that signing, he has been incredibly underrated in the affiliates of the Rangers and Coyotes the past few years.

~Crashintome89~ 07-08-2013 08:52 PM

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Last time I heard about Chad Johnson he was catching balls for the Bengals.

DmBand801 07-08-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14707158)
Last time I heard about Chad Johnson he was catching balls for the Bengals.

Then he head bunted his wife, got released by the Dolphins and is now Rask's backup. Lolz.

fonzz41 07-09-2013 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DmBand801 (Post 14707126)
He probably will, but that's not fair/saying much; three different styles of play in comparison to Lecavalier.

:thumbsup Clowe and Clarkson aren't nearly the type of player Lecavalier is, which I agree is amazing that they are making the amount of money that they are. Simply astounding.

And just to be clear; I wasn't intending to jump all over Vinny way back in my original post where I called them lost as an organization. It's not just because of him. Yes, he's getting older (I wouldn't call him past his prime yet, but it's certainly getting there), but I still think that if he hits his stride we can see him score 50-60, and that's not a bad thing.

Again, what I don't like is a lack of organizational direction. You already have a 30-something year old who was also a former captain who was brought in for leadership and point production, and you buy him out and sign ANOTHER 30-something year old former captain for his leadership and point production? I know Vinny makes a little less, but moves like that show me the Flyers are signing guys just to sign guys. Like I said before, rolling the dice to see how it works.

Ilya Bryzgalov is signed to this long term deal worth a fortune and is bought out two years later? I'm sorry, but that's just further proof of a lack of direction. Buyouts are traded in like coupons. And forgive me if I'm more than just a teensy bit skeptical about the tandem of Mason and Emery.

Mark Streit? C'mon. For all this young talent they apparently have in the pipeline, they're certainly letting their roster spots (and salary cap space) be taken by 30-something vets.

Again, sorry for bashing on the Flyers a bit, but that's the way the convo went. We could certainly be having almost this same conversation about a couple different teams right now... my team being FAR from exempt.
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Originally Posted by DmBand801 (Post 14707199)
Then he head bunted his wife, got released by the Dolphins and is now Rask's backup. Lolz.

:lol Just imagining Chad Johnson in full goalie gear, opening the door at the bench.

fonzz41 07-09-2013 06:27 AM

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Some notable captaincy vacancies this year. Any guesses who gets the 'C'? I'm thinking:

BUF: Stafford or Vanek. Probably Stafford. Vanek is their star, but doesn't seem like captain material. Of course, I said the same thing about Hank Sedin.

CAL: Hmmm... gonna go with Glencross. Perhaps Cammalleri, but I'll stick with Glencross.

DAL: Benn or Robidas, depending on if they want to go the vet route or the more popular young-star route. I'm gonna say Benn. Would've easily been Eriksson if he was still around.

EDM: Like the Stars, I can see them going either vet or youngster. If vet, look no further than Andrew Ference. He's everything you want in a leader. If young, I would think Hall or Eberle. I kind of want to say Eberle, but I think it will be Hall.

NYI: Tavares. No question. Okposo, once a front-runner in my mind, now a distant second.

TBL: We talked about this before, and I think it will be Stamkos. However, I think it would be way cool to give it to St. Louis until he retires, then hand it off to Stamkos. Will it happen? Probably not, but it would be cool.

Roose13 07-09-2013 06:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14706596)
Sorry John, have to 100% disagree with you here. You know I have much love and respect for you, but your coming off as a big time homer.

Emery was half good because he had arguably the best defensive corps in front of him all season (same goes for Crawford). In today's NHL, you don't need a Hasek or Roy...you need defenseman that can solidify the back end while simultaneously moving the puck up ice and through the neutral zone. The Flyers failed to address that, which was their biggest freakin need. This is a team that used both it's compliance buy outs already, and has 14 players signed next season (0 goaltenders) and only $12 million in cap space to fill out the rest of the roster! And even worse, there is almost 0 depth talent to bring up to fill up spots!

Again, the defense wasn't healthy. This is a good unit when healthy.

Quote:

They want to win every year, I get that, but by signing Lecavalier they basically put the writing on the wall for an incredibly talented kid in Brayden Schenn to go elsewhere after this season. At some point, you have to abandon the "WIN NOW" mentality when it's just not there, and start saving cap space for the future. Maybe the signing of Lecavalier and Streit doesn't cripple them this season, but what about after that? The modern day NHL isn't about just "what's next year look like"? Every team has to have a 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plan at all times. The Flyers looking lost is mostly because of that. None of what they are doing makes sense long term or short term. Did they get much better next season? Not really. Swapped Briere for Lecavalier and Gustafsson with Streit, and replaced Bryz with Emery/Mason.
First off, Schenn and Lecavalier can both play center and wing. Schenn is gonna play LW with Lecavalier at C. Hardly chasing him out at all.

Secondly, Streit > Gustafsson, and I'm one to actually support Gus' development (poor man's Kimmo).

Thirdly, they now have two goalies, not one. You're right, it's not so much a good goalie that wins as a good defense. But like I said, this defense isn't a problem if it's healthy. Also, you can't expect a goalie to play 95% of the games anymore. That's what Bryz was doing until they acquired Mason. Both goalies will be able to stay fresh.

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Blame the Flyers issues on a 48 game season all you want, but that team not only finished poorly, but looked AWFUL. I don't buy into this plan at all. At it's best, it's lipstick on a pig, and a dying pig at that. They keep feeding that dying, lipsticked pig as much old food as they possibly can without it exploding and hoping it can run a marathon.

That analogy is ridiculous.

Anyway, I don't buy what they're selling. Sure, maybe they'll contend this year a little bit, be more competitive...as long as Emery and Mason work out (which I doubt)...but their 3-ish year plan looks like absolute dog shit.
Then let's just wait and see. You can't predict everything, especially based off of a 48-game season. I'm not budging on this and neither are you. But I do have the advantage of seeing this team play 82 games a year so I wouldn't sit here and tell you all about Chicago or Colorado for the same reason haha.

fonzz41 07-09-2013 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14707546)

Secondly, Streit > Gustafsson, and I'm one to actually support Gus' development (poor man's Kimmo).

Then let's just wait and see. You can't predict everything, especially based off of a 48-game season. I'm not budging on this and neither are you. But I do have the advantage of seeing this team play 82 games a year so I wouldn't sit here and tell you all about Chicago or Colorado for the same reason haha.

:thumbsup to both of these statements. And feel free to weigh in on Colorado all you want. Lord knows they deserve it! :lol

fonzz41 07-09-2013 10:05 AM

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Classy of Cooke: http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/214728011.html

lockman21 07-09-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14707546)
First off, Schenn and Lecavalier can both play center and wing. Schenn is gonna play LW with Lecavalier at C. Hardly chasing him out at all.

I was talking about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ not position.

swordo84 07-09-2013 12:08 PM

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Chelios, Niedermayer, Shanahan all going in the HHOF. Fred Shero and Geraldine Heaney also being inducted.

Disappointed they missed Pat Burns again.

fonzz41 07-09-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 14708578)
Chelios, Niedermayer, Shanahan all going in the HHOF. Fred Shero and Geraldine Heaney also being inducted.

Disappointed they missed Pat Burns again.

Huge disappointment

Alazais 07-09-2013 12:32 PM

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I am not a fan of the Clarkson signing. 7 years is absurd. I haven't seen the guy play very much but I get the feeling he will start to wear down by year 3 or 4 of that contract. I go onto a Leafs message board and they were touting how exciting it was to finally win the big contract of the off season. Ack. I suppose the salary cap is alright? if he plays the rough and tumble game while potting 30 goals, but I don't think he will.

I am interested to see the line of Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson. I feel like if they all mesh together relatively well, they will be one of the better 2nd lines in the league, but I don't know if they can do it. Kadri fell off at the end of the year, like he was tired and that scares me. Lupul has to stay healthy. I don't know if he can.

Their d-corp looks scary weak. Phaneuf is not a number 1 d-man. He's a #2 on almost every team but he is also not a #1 on most every team. I get the feeling that next year is going to be a bit of a tough year for the Leafs. The expectations are higher and as a Leaf fan for the better part of my conscious years, I know that when the expectations are raised they tend to disappoint.

HallowBillies7 07-09-2013 03:02 PM

Rumors on Twitter that Marchand is being shopped around, I was fine with the Seguin trade but I'll be disappointed if we get rid of Noseface.

dmbetc 07-09-2013 06:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Baaaarf:

https://twitter.com/keeperofthecup/s...71201446539264

swordo84 07-09-2013 06:30 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 14709726)

I used to hand it to that kid for what he did, being a kid from a small farming town in rural Ontario, but he has gone mega-douche of late. Fuck that guy.

Alazais 07-09-2013 06:54 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 14709726)

I'm at work. Who is it and what does he say?

Roose13 07-09-2013 07:29 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
It's a picture of Bieber with the Cup. I want to hurt that little bastard.

Alazais 07-09-2013 10:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14710216)
It's a picture of Bieber with the Cup. I want to hurt that little bastard.

Him and Celine Dion. The two people we regret that are Canadian.

lockman21 07-10-2013 08:32 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Guys, if you're ever losing a trash talking session with a Flyers fan, just link this and you automatically win:

http://capgeek.com/flyers/

Roose13 07-10-2013 08:42 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
What's with the constant cheap shots? Seriously dude, we're not even fucking rival fanbases.

lockman21 07-10-2013 08:51 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I'm sorry, I'll stop. It's just the offseason and the only thing I can laugh at right now. We can go back to looking at pictures of Bieber? Or I can happily tell everyone how much of a twat I think Chelios is?

Roose13 07-10-2013 08:55 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Let's laugh at Phoenix some more. I don't think anyone roots for them on here :lol

s0628711 07-10-2013 09:01 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Rangers announce Hagelin deal- 2yrs AAV 2.25mil

Roose13 07-10-2013 09:15 AM

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Nice deal :thumbsup

lockman21 07-10-2013 09:42 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...29891#fd371a4d

Great read! Everyone should take a look at this. Discuss....

Roose13 07-10-2013 10:10 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
How did the Flyers give up on Forsberg? They wanted Lindros in a bad way. Stupid entry right there.

dmbetc 07-10-2013 10:18 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Hoping for a Brown deal by the end of the day.

TMoore4075 07-10-2013 10:27 AM

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Yeah some of those were deals to get a better player or one to help win. Iggy was traded to get a guy who was the playoff mvp in 99. Forsberg was for Lindros. While Amonte and Hull were better than what the teams got back, both teams won a Cup while Chicago and St Louis did not. To get something you have to give something. It's not giving up.

fonzz41 07-10-2013 10:44 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14711343)
Or I can happily tell everyone how much of a twat I think Chelios is?

Ummm... I'd like to talk about this a little more if we could?

I swear, for the last 10 years or so of his career (maybe longer?) this guy was the biggest douche in the league. Not a shift passed by that he wasn't whining to someone. It's like he was saying, "Hey, I'm the oldest guy in the league. RESPECT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I rolled my eyes big time when they won their last Cup and he was like the third person to hoist it after hardly playing at all (and being a detriment to the team when he was playing). You know he was literally shoving to get the front of the line.

Whereas you had people like Joe Sakic, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Brind'Amour, etc. that earned respect by the way they played and carried themselves on and off the ice. Chelios was left begging for it.

I don't have a lot of animosity towards too many players - or people - in general. But Chelios really rubs me the wrong way.

bradshaw06 07-10-2013 11:02 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Pens signed Matt d'agostini. Plan the parade!

Roose13 07-10-2013 11:11 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nAVNvoUp2Y

Fuck Chelios

fonzz41 07-10-2013 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14711979)

:thumbsup The one time in my life that I wish I was Ron Hextall in that moment.

lockman21 07-10-2013 11:41 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 14711836)
Ummm... I'd like to talk about this a little more if we could?

I swear, for the last 10 years or so of his career (maybe longer?) this guy was the biggest douche in the league. Not a shift passed by that he wasn't whining to someone. It's like he was saying, "Hey, I'm the oldest guy in the league. RESPECT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I rolled my eyes big time when they won their last Cup and he was like the third person to hoist it after hardly playing at all (and being a detriment to the team when he was playing). You know he was literally shoving to get the front of the line.

Whereas you had people like Joe Sakic, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Brind'Amour, etc. that earned respect by the way they played and carried themselves on and off the ice. Chelios was left begging for it.

I don't have a lot of animosity towards too many players - or people - in general. But Chelios really rubs me the wrong way.

I absolutely LOATHE Chris Chelios. I could go on forever about how much I hate him. He's such a douche.

Things like when he refused to wear a Blackhawks sweater when he was awarded being on the Blackhawks 75th anniversary team, and instead ruined the moment forever by insisting on wearing his Red Wings sweater?

http://www.chicagonow.com/red-light-...0-83554-PM.jpg

Or how awesome he handled his DUI arrest? ("Do you know who I am?")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQFKyXoubk

Burning Jay Cutler jersey in a bar? Check.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2895--nhl.html

Fucking asshole.

swordo84 07-10-2013 11:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14712075)
I absolutely LOATHE Chris Chelios. I could go on forever about how much I hate him. He's such a douche.

Things like when he refused to wear a Blackhawks sweater when he was awarded being on the Blackhawks 75th anniversary team, and instead ruined the moment forever by insisting on wearing his Red Wings sweater?

http://www.chicagonow.com/red-light-...0-83554-PM.jpg


Or how awesome he handled his DUI arrest? ("Do you know who I am?")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQFKyXoubk

Burning Jay Cutler jersey in a bar? Check.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2895--nhl.html

Fucking asshole.


This is the worst one for me. What a cock, way to completely ruin what would otherwise be a fantastic moment/pic.

wampa3 07-10-2013 01:24 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
David Perron to EDM for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd. Good deal for the Oilers. A proven 1st rounder for an unproven 1st rounder and a 2nd.

I know nothing about Paajarvi's "potential" though. Pretty sure the Oilers haven't been able to ride their potential to the playoffs yet.

Roose13 07-10-2013 01:52 PM

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Great deal for Edmonton

swordo84 07-10-2013 02:10 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 14712434)
David Perron to EDM for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd. Good deal for the Oilers. A proven 1st rounder for an unproven 1st rounder and a 2nd.

I know nothing about Paajarvi's "potential" though. Pretty sure the Oilers haven't been able to ride their potential to the playoffs yet.

Love this fucking deal. We desperately need a guy like Perron, and Paajarvi is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge question mark.

jackisback24 07-10-2013 02:11 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Tuuuka Time! Deal is done 8 years.

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 02:17 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 14712627)
Tuuuka Time! Deal is done 8 years.

congrats on signing goalie who gives up 6 goals in biggest game of career. Even Fleury did not do that

jackisback24 07-10-2013 02:20 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gocubsgo3822 (Post 14712638)
congrats on signing goalie who gives up 6 goals in biggest game of career. Even Fleury did not do that

Fleury didn't make it that far for a reason, jabroni.

Can you snag me a Pearl Jam Wrigley shirt next week, bro?

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 02:21 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 14712646)
Fleury didn't make it that far for a reason, jabroni.

Can you snag me a Pearl Jam Wrigley shirt next week, bro?

Neither should Tukka. He was vary vary bad in playoffs.

BotheLaneFan 07-10-2013 02:23 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gocubsgo3822 (Post 14712638)
congrats on signing goalie who gives up 6 goals in biggest game of career. Even Fleury did not do that

No, Jon. He gave up two goals in 17 seconds to blow it for his team in the biggest game of his career.

lockman21 07-10-2013 02:31 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 14712627)
Tuuuka Time! Deal is done 8 years.

Extremely excessive. EXTREMELY.

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 02:41 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BotheDMBFan (Post 14712659)
No, Jon. He gave up two goals in 17 seconds to blow it for his team in the biggest game of his career.

He was real bad all series. Probably mind butthurt now

bradshaw06 07-10-2013 02:44 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackisback24 (Post 14712646)
Fleury didn't make it that far for a reason, jabroni.

Can you snag me a Pearl Jam Wrigley shirt next week, bro?

Fleury won a stanley cup.

Roose13 07-10-2013 02:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Blow a 2-1 lead and shot at Game 7 and get an 8-year extension. I love sports...

I'm only kidding. Good work in locking up Rask, though after seeing the Ilya Bryzgalov debacle I'm very weary of signing goalies to max contracts. Good luck Boston. I don't ever wanna see a team get Ilya'd.

dduncan6er 07-10-2013 03:12 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Luckily Tuukka is only 26 so they'll be getting the prime years for this deal. With that said this is still a ton of money and years for him. I just hope the cap keeps going up and he keeps playing at the level he did last year.

Bron Yr Aur 07-10-2013 03:25 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gocubsgo3822 (Post 14712652)
Neither should Tukka. He was vary vary bad in playoffs.

You are vary vary dumb if you think that.

jackisback24 07-10-2013 04:09 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14712768)
You are vary vary dumb if you think that.

Tell it like it is.:thumbsup

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 04:10 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14712768)
You are vary vary dumb if you think that.

Gave up lots of goals. Vary Vary bad.

jackisback24 07-10-2013 04:13 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Cubs, I'm a large by the way.:thumbsup Big thank you!

lockman21 07-10-2013 04:37 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14712768)
You are vary vary dumb if you think that.

Just ignore him.

That contract is ridiculously awful, though. No goalie should be signed to a contract like that anymore.

Bron Yr Aur 07-10-2013 04:55 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gocubsgo3822 (Post 14712841)
Gave up lots of goals. Vary Vary bad.

Yeah he only had the best save pct and 3rd best goals against/game in the playoffs. Pretty terrible.

Bron Yr Aur 07-10-2013 04:57 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14712887)
Just ignore him.

That contract is ridiculously awful, though. No goalie should be signed to a contract like that anymore.

Yeah, I donno. If you're choosing Rask over extending Seguin I'd have to say that's a mistake. Always take the dynamic goal-scorer.

The thing I love about people is how they'll say "it will be a great deal for the Bruins if he keeps up his current level of play." Well no shit. Who knows how he will be in 4-5 years.

lockman21 07-10-2013 05:05 PM

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Exactly. I just think that GMs should have learned by now that long term goaltender deals are a BAD idea.

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 05:07 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14712928)
Yeah he only had the best save pct and 3rd best goals against/game in the playoffs. Pretty terrible.

not when it mattered he didnt. Dont care about his inflated numbers vs. god awful penguins.

gocubsgo3822 07-10-2013 05:11 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
2.67 GA is not vary good in the cup finals. Not vary good at all. And that number is inflated by the hawks taking game 2 off

HallowBillies7 07-10-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14712957)
Exactly. I just think that GMs should have learned by now that long term goaltender deals are a BAD idea.

This. I love Tuukk but I was really hoping for 4-5 years max.

bradshaw06 07-10-2013 05:19 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Makes you wonder what Henrik will get next year.

lockman21 07-10-2013 05:43 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 14712970)
This. I love Tuukk but I was really hoping for 4-5 years max.

Yeah man, the only 5+ year goalie contract that seems to have worked out since the lockout is Brodeur at 6 years.

I generally don't like goalie cap hits in today's NHL above $5 mil either, but this Rask deal makes Quick look like a bargain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14712983)
Makes you wonder what Henrik will get next year.

Oh dear Lord I forgot about that...8 years $100 million.

~Crashintome89~ 07-10-2013 06:13 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I look forward to more opportunities of Tuuka kamikazing into many sideboards for the next eight years.

DmBand801 07-10-2013 06:39 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bradshaw06 (Post 14712983)
Makes you wonder what Henrik will get next year.

I read his agents are looking for 10/100 - league max; that would make him the highest paid player in the league.

HallowBillies7 07-10-2013 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14713131)
I look forward to more opportunities of Tuuka kamikazing into many sideboards for the next eight years.

Guy does that when he's mad or happy, he took quite the tumble this year after the comeback game 7 against the Leaves.

lockman21 07-10-2013 09:36 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DmBand801 (Post 14713235)
I read his agents are looking for 10/100 - league max; that would make him the highest paid player in the league.

Isn't 8 years the max under the new CBA?

dmbetc 07-10-2013 11:31 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14714135)
Isn't 8 years the max under the new CBA?

Yes, 8 years. I learned a lot about contract negations over the past 2 days. My head hurts and I wasn't even involved. Pretty interesting stuff, would make for a great reality show. But, that's a hockey fan talking and since no one likes hockey it'd be a flop.

Roose13 07-11-2013 05:08 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Would be an interesting story on CSNBC or NHLN during the off season at least.

TMoore4075 07-11-2013 06:06 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 14714222)
Yes, 8 years. I learned a lot about contract negations over the past 2 days. My head hurts and I wasn't even involved. Pretty interesting stuff, would make for a great reality show. But, that's a hockey fan talking and since no one likes hockey it'd be a flop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roose13 (Post 14714338)
Would be an interesting story on CSNBC or NHLN during the off season at least.

I'd love to see it. There was this documentary thing CBC did back in like 98 that showed part of it. I'll try to find it.

fonzz41 07-11-2013 08:49 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Great article on the Stewart brothers and their path to the NHL.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-their-way-out

TMoore4075 07-11-2013 09:53 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Here we are a week later and Damien Brunner is still unsigned. Thought he was worth more than the $2.5-3mil the Wings offered for 2-3 years.

fonzz41 07-11-2013 10:09 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I'm just wondering how it could POSSIBLY be that Bryzgalov doesn't have a team yet. He must still be trying to score a try-out with the All-Universe team he created in his head. My guess is his final destination ends up being Calgary or one of the Floridas. Who knows, maybe even the Islanders. What say you, Sal?

dmbetc 07-11-2013 10:10 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I was so tempted to video record some of what I was around the last two days, just for you guys! But alas, I know what's right from wrong.


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