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Lecavlier had a lot of great quotes today. Pretty excited to see what he can bring to Philly in this system. And he's open to playing wing, so we may see him with Giroux a bit.
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The Legion of Doom with the LCB Line, no big deal: https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/354268640830423040
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So happy the rangers locked up macdonagh. That will go down as some of the best money they have ever spent.
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John Moore ain't too bad either. You should be thanking the Flyers via Anaheim via Columbus :lol:lol (The pick he was taken with was traded to the Ducks for Chris Pronger; and was then traded to CBJ who drafted him.)
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Didn't check in much over the long weekend, but some thoughts over one of the most exciting free agency opening days in a while:
- Can't believe how much money was spent. Clowe, Clarkson, Filpulla, even Weiss all got overpaid. Oh well. - Interesting to see some of the lateral moves that took place. Clarkson leaves, Devs sign Clowe. Clutterbuck traded, Minny signs Cooke. Flyers buy out Briere, sign Lecavalier. Different reasons for the moves, I know, but just interesting. Winners: - Senators: Fans can't be happy that Alfredsson left, but man, kudos to Murray for not hanging his head. Within a matter of hours, he lands a top-line scorer in Bobby Ryan. I'm excited to see what he can do with either Spezza or Turris (can see him doing well with both). MacArthur is one of the more underrated signings. He'll do well. - Oilers: Ference is the perfect fit attitude wise for the Oilers right now. Gordon was overpaid, but will fill Horcoff's spot nicely. - Boston: Like I briefly typed over the weekend, I think the Bruins stole this trade. Eriksson is the complete package: fast, tough, GREAT hands, defensively responsible, good leader. Reminds me a ton of Peter Forsberg. Morrow adds even more depth to the blueline, giving them some bargaining pieces for later. And hey, I like the Iginla signing, as hilarious as it is. I always thought he would be a great Bruin. - Nashville: They always win by committee, and they added some great players to fit in well with their team system in Cullen, Nystrom, Hendricks, and (gulp) Stalberg. - Carolina: I think Komisarek will do well with a change of scenery, and Khudobin has the potenital to be the darkhorse of this year's signings. - Phoenix: The fact that they got anyone - especially a scorer - is a win in my book. Say what you will about Ribeiro, but the guy usually produces. Re-signing Smith was also huge. In-Betweeners: - Detroit: Ken Holland is a master at addressing team needs, and kudos to him for going out and getting a serviceable 2nd line center in Weiss. He paid a lot for him, but we'll see how Weiss does in a winning system. I like the thought of Alfredsson playing with Z... but it reminds me a bit of the Modano signing. Hopefully doesn't end the same way. - Islanders: Love the addition of Clutterbuck. Neidereitter wasn't going anywhere with the Isles anyways, so may as well let him go. Bouchard is injury prone, but could work magic with Tavares. Don't really understand bringing Nabokov back. - Jackets: Nathan Horton is the head man now. We'll see, I guess... - Pens: Bringing back Scuderi was a key move. But they've got soooo much salary committed to so few players, I can't see this ending well for the Pens. I just can't. - Stars: Yeah, the Bruins won this trade, but Seguin is still #1 center potential. Doesn't have the all-around game that Eriksson did, but has the talent to score a lot in Dallas. Interested to see him paired with Benn. - Leafs: Clarkson and Bolland are great depth additions who will produce on the scoresheet, but who's going to play center on the top line? Bozak? BTW, Clarkson and Bozak are laughing all the way to the bank Wut? - Lightning: Really? $5 mil for Filpulla? - Flyers: OK, I like the Emery signing, but this organization is completely lost. - Devils: I like the Schneider deal at the draft, but the dramatic overpayment for Clowe just proves how hard it is for NJ to convince people to play for them. - Avs: ANDRE BENOIT???? THAT'S YOUR ONE SIGNING? GAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!! tl;dnr |
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A lot of people, including myself, don't really think the Flyers are lost. Got Vinny and Emery for bargains, drafted for the future, and could actually be a good team if they just stay healthy. It's not a 48-game season every year.
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I don't really see how lecavalier can be considered a bargain. And the flyers just threw in the no move clause for the hell of it I guess?
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AAV of $4.5 million for a player who thrives in an up-temo system (his decline was due to Guy Boucher being an idiot and an asshole with that stupid trap garbage). He's younger and cheaper than Danny Briere as well, and a better player who has won, was a captain and brings invaluable leadership to the Flyers. He's also a scorer that could play with either Giroux and Voracek, or Simmonds and Schenn. He makes the Flyers top 6 better.
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You look at a team like the Senators. A few years ago they announced they were "rebuilding" and urged fans to stay patient and promised to stay the course even if it was painful. They shed payroll, got rid of just about every vet on the roster except for Alfie, Phillips, and Spezza, and dug in for the long haul. Look what it's done for them. They had an organizational purpose, they stuck with it, and now they're better than anyone ever thought they would be by this time. No one predicted the Sens to do what they've done the past couple seasons, and I don't think they're even close to their goal. I just don't see that from a few teams in this league, the Flyers being one of them. |
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Honestly, heading into the 2012-13 season, the Flyers were looking to be in good shape. They have a pretty strong unit defensively when you look at them healthy
-Meszaros/L Schenn -Timonen/Coburn -Grossmann/Gustafsson (he should have been given a shot from day one) Yes, that defense looked bad on paper, but the style of hockey the Flyers played should have balanced that out. Unfortunately, the guys weren't scoring -- sophomore slumps from their three big young guys, injuries to Hartnell/Briere, added pressure on Giroux in his first year as captain, especially when he never had a consistent line around him. Looking at the team now, their defense is actually deep if it remains healthy. You have the same 6 guys I mentioned up top, added Streit who will give the Flyers at least two good years, and a guy like Oliver Lauridsen became the physical presence the Flyers lacked when Pronger took a stick to the face. Then you have the top 6 forwards in Giroux, Voracek, Hartnell, B Schenn, Simmonds and Lecavalier. Behind that is a very strong third line with Couturier, Read and possibly Gagne (still a good chance Coburn/Meszaros is traded to allow them to sign Gagne). Players like Raffl, Laughton, Straka, Cousins, Noebels and Akeson are all gonna be competing to make the club (three of them were top 60 picks). Then you get to goaltending. They finally have two reliable goalies, the first true 1-2 system they've had since Niitty and Biron were here. Emery is more mature and has rebounded while Mason has a change of scenery and clean slate in front of him. Both players are on one-year deals and will be fighting to win the starting job this season as well as a multi-year contract as the next starting goalie for the Flyers. There a lot of positive variables on this roster heading into this season. If things honestly go the way I just wrote down now, this team will have a good season. Am I saying they'll win the Cup? Nah, let's see first how well this team does click. But they are far from being a lost organization, especially when they were a disaster last season. And that is the most positive thing I've said about this team in a while, especially since I'm sick of Ed Snider. |
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Don't really know what the pens are doing. I mean, Scuderi is a nice player, but i wonder if he'll do well in the pens system, it isnt anything like LA. Dupuis, another guy that does great with the pens, got a contract that dollar wise is a steal, but term wise, probably two years too long. I wonder what will happen with him when the wheels start to go. I mean, he a great player, but when the playoffs roll around, teams focus on shutting down Crosby and Malkin, and Dupuis can't produce on his own. Adams, a great pker but not anything else was also brought back for 2 years. The pens honestly have the worst 4th line in the league at the moment. Really up against the cap now, i would have liked to see shero try and get younger. Instead of Scuds, let Depres play all year in a top 4 role, or even move Orpik/Niskanen for cap relief if Scuderi was absolutely necessary. Instead of Dupuis, let Bennett play with Crosby. As for Fleury and Bylsma...I don't think either should have been brought back. Vokoun in the playoffs proved that its not the system that allows Fleury to fail, Fleury is just a spazz.
the way its looking now: Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis Jokinen-Malkin-Neal Bennett-Sutter-Jeffrey Glass-Adams-Vitale Harry Z that bottom 6 is really weak. Both physically and in terms of scoring. Letang-Scuderi Martin-Orpik Niskanen-Despres Engalland |
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Lecavalier has been on the decline in points every year since the end of the the 2007-2008 season (except one 3 point increase between years). While I think he can add a lot to this team, leadership wise, I am hesitant to say his offensive contributions will be worth the contract. Also, I am not sold on our defensive unit. I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but this is the Flyers and we all know how their seasons typically play out.
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I'm not saying he's gonna score 100 points but I would pay $4.5 million to a guy who can put up 70 points when there are guys making more and scoring less.
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He hasn't gotten 70 points since 09-10, though that is the last time he has played a full 82
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Sorry John, have to 100% disagree with you here. You know I have much love and respect for you, but your coming off as a big time homer.
Emery was half good because he had arguably the best defensive corps in front of him all season (same goes for Crawford). In today's NHL, you don't need a Hasek or Roy...you need defenseman that can solidify the back end while simultaneously moving the puck up ice and through the neutral zone. The Flyers failed to address that, which was their biggest freakin need. This is a team that used both it's compliance buy outs already, and has 14 players signed next season (0 goaltenders) and only $12 million in cap space to fill out the rest of the roster! And even worse, there is almost 0 depth talent to bring up to fill up spots! They want to win every year, I get that, but by signing Lecavalier they basically put the writing on the wall for an incredibly talented kid in Brayden Schenn to go elsewhere after this season. At some point, you have to abandon the "WIN NOW" mentality when it's just not there, and start saving cap space for the future. Maybe the signing of Lecavalier and Streit doesn't cripple them this season, but what about after that? The modern day NHL isn't about just "what's next year look like"? Every team has to have a 1, 3, 5, and 10 year plan at all times. The Flyers looking lost is mostly because of that. None of what they are doing makes sense long term or short term. Did they get much better next season? Not really. Swapped Briere for Lecavalier and Gustafsson with Streit, and replaced Bryz with Emery/Mason. Blame the Flyers issues on a 48 game season all you want, but that team not only finished poorly, but looked AWFUL. I don't buy into this plan at all. At it's best, it's lipstick on a pig, and a dying pig at that. They keep feeding that dying, lipsticked pig as much old food as they possibly can without it exploding and hoping it can run a marathon. That analogy is ridiculous. Anyway, I don't buy what they're selling. Sure, maybe they'll contend this year a little bit, be more competitive...as long as Emery and Mason work out (which I doubt)...but their 3-ish year plan looks like absolute dog shit. |
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Oh God, John...if you're thinking Lecavalier is going to put up 70 points...you're in for a long, LONG season.
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Yeah Chris, he's actually going to put up a 100 point season.
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He did for me in NHL 12 :multi
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Last time I heard about Chad Johnson he was catching balls for the Bengals.
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And just to be clear; I wasn't intending to jump all over Vinny way back in my original post where I called them lost as an organization. It's not just because of him. Yes, he's getting older (I wouldn't call him past his prime yet, but it's certainly getting there), but I still think that if he hits his stride we can see him score 50-60, and that's not a bad thing. Again, what I don't like is a lack of organizational direction. You already have a 30-something year old who was also a former captain who was brought in for leadership and point production, and you buy him out and sign ANOTHER 30-something year old former captain for his leadership and point production? I know Vinny makes a little less, but moves like that show me the Flyers are signing guys just to sign guys. Like I said before, rolling the dice to see how it works. Ilya Bryzgalov is signed to this long term deal worth a fortune and is bought out two years later? I'm sorry, but that's just further proof of a lack of direction. Buyouts are traded in like coupons. And forgive me if I'm more than just a teensy bit skeptical about the tandem of Mason and Emery. Mark Streit? C'mon. For all this young talent they apparently have in the pipeline, they're certainly letting their roster spots (and salary cap space) be taken by 30-something vets. Again, sorry for bashing on the Flyers a bit, but that's the way the convo went. We could certainly be having almost this same conversation about a couple different teams right now... my team being FAR from exempt. Quote:
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Some notable captaincy vacancies this year. Any guesses who gets the 'C'? I'm thinking:
BUF: Stafford or Vanek. Probably Stafford. Vanek is their star, but doesn't seem like captain material. Of course, I said the same thing about Hank Sedin. CAL: Hmmm... gonna go with Glencross. Perhaps Cammalleri, but I'll stick with Glencross. DAL: Benn or Robidas, depending on if they want to go the vet route or the more popular young-star route. I'm gonna say Benn. Would've easily been Eriksson if he was still around. EDM: Like the Stars, I can see them going either vet or youngster. If vet, look no further than Andrew Ference. He's everything you want in a leader. If young, I would think Hall or Eberle. I kind of want to say Eberle, but I think it will be Hall. NYI: Tavares. No question. Okposo, once a front-runner in my mind, now a distant second. TBL: We talked about this before, and I think it will be Stamkos. However, I think it would be way cool to give it to St. Louis until he retires, then hand it off to Stamkos. Will it happen? Probably not, but it would be cool. |
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Classy of Cooke: http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/214728011.html
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Chelios, Niedermayer, Shanahan all going in the HHOF. Fred Shero and Geraldine Heaney also being inducted.
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I am not a fan of the Clarkson signing. 7 years is absurd. I haven't seen the guy play very much but I get the feeling he will start to wear down by year 3 or 4 of that contract. I go onto a Leafs message board and they were touting how exciting it was to finally win the big contract of the off season. Ack. I suppose the salary cap is alright? if he plays the rough and tumble game while potting 30 goals, but I don't think he will.
I am interested to see the line of Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson. I feel like if they all mesh together relatively well, they will be one of the better 2nd lines in the league, but I don't know if they can do it. Kadri fell off at the end of the year, like he was tired and that scares me. Lupul has to stay healthy. I don't know if he can. Their d-corp looks scary weak. Phaneuf is not a number 1 d-man. He's a #2 on almost every team but he is also not a #1 on most every team. I get the feeling that next year is going to be a bit of a tough year for the Leafs. The expectations are higher and as a Leaf fan for the better part of my conscious years, I know that when the expectations are raised they tend to disappoint. |
Rumors on Twitter that Marchand is being shopped around, I was fine with the Seguin trade but I'll be disappointed if we get rid of Noseface.
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It's a picture of Bieber with the Cup. I want to hurt that little bastard.
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Guys, if you're ever losing a trash talking session with a Flyers fan, just link this and you automatically win:
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What's with the constant cheap shots? Seriously dude, we're not even fucking rival fanbases.
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I'm sorry, I'll stop. It's just the offseason and the only thing I can laugh at right now. We can go back to looking at pictures of Bieber? Or I can happily tell everyone how much of a twat I think Chelios is?
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Let's laugh at Phoenix some more. I don't think anyone roots for them on here :lol
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Rangers announce Hagelin deal- 2yrs AAV 2.25mil
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Nice deal :thumbsup
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How did the Flyers give up on Forsberg? They wanted Lindros in a bad way. Stupid entry right there.
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Hoping for a Brown deal by the end of the day.
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Yeah some of those were deals to get a better player or one to help win. Iggy was traded to get a guy who was the playoff mvp in 99. Forsberg was for Lindros. While Amonte and Hull were better than what the teams got back, both teams won a Cup while Chicago and St Louis did not. To get something you have to give something. It's not giving up.
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I swear, for the last 10 years or so of his career (maybe longer?) this guy was the biggest douche in the league. Not a shift passed by that he wasn't whining to someone. It's like he was saying, "Hey, I'm the oldest guy in the league. RESPECT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I rolled my eyes big time when they won their last Cup and he was like the third person to hoist it after hardly playing at all (and being a detriment to the team when he was playing). You know he was literally shoving to get the front of the line. Whereas you had people like Joe Sakic, Yzerman, Lidstrom, Brind'Amour, etc. that earned respect by the way they played and carried themselves on and off the ice. Chelios was left begging for it. I don't have a lot of animosity towards too many players - or people - in general. But Chelios really rubs me the wrong way. |
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Pens signed Matt d'agostini. Plan the parade!
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Things like when he refused to wear a Blackhawks sweater when he was awarded being on the Blackhawks 75th anniversary team, and instead ruined the moment forever by insisting on wearing his Red Wings sweater? http://www.chicagonow.com/red-light-...0-83554-PM.jpg Or how awesome he handled his DUI arrest? ("Do you know who I am?") https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPQFKyXoubk Burning Jay Cutler jersey in a bar? Check. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...2895--nhl.html Fucking asshole. |
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David Perron to EDM for Magnus Paajarvi and a 2nd. Good deal for the Oilers. A proven 1st rounder for an unproven 1st rounder and a 2nd.
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Tuuuka Time! Deal is done 8 years.
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Blow a 2-1 lead and shot at Game 7 and get an 8-year extension. I love sports...
I'm only kidding. Good work in locking up Rask, though after seeing the Ilya Bryzgalov debacle I'm very weary of signing goalies to max contracts. Good luck Boston. I don't ever wanna see a team get Ilya'd. |
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Luckily Tuukka is only 26 so they'll be getting the prime years for this deal. With that said this is still a ton of money and years for him. I just hope the cap keeps going up and he keeps playing at the level he did last year.
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Cubs, I'm a large by the way.:thumbsup Big thank you!
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2.67 GA is not vary good in the cup finals. Not vary good at all. And that number is inflated by the hawks taking game 2 off
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Great article on the Stewart brothers and their path to the NHL.
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Here we are a week later and Damien Brunner is still unsigned. Thought he was worth more than the $2.5-3mil the Wings offered for 2-3 years.
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I'm just wondering how it could POSSIBLY be that Bryzgalov doesn't have a team yet. He must still be trying to score a try-out with the All-Universe team he created in his head. My guess is his final destination ends up being Calgary or one of the Floridas. Who knows, maybe even the Islanders. What say you, Sal?
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I was so tempted to video record some of what I was around the last two days, just for you guys! But alas, I know what's right from wrong.
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