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TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:04 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Something tells me you’re just being butthurt and this wouldn’t even have been a comment if it didn’t just take a goal away from the caps.

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:06 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065825)
Something tells me you’re just being butthurt and this wouldn’t even have been a comment if it didn’t just take a goal away from the caps.

Winner winner!

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:07 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065824)
So if a foot is on the line they could call it a 3, but will review it during a time out and take a point away. You could be playing for 4+ minutes not knowing the real score.

This I have seen and I get.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:07 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065823)
And I hate a lot of officiating in football so great, you want the same for hockey.

Barf. I don’t.

Lol talk about a false equivalency.

Should they not review for goaltender interference or a high stick on a goal? Who cares if there’s a little continuation? It’s not like it’s ever an absurd amount of time.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:10 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065825)
Something tells me you’re just being butthurt and this wouldn’t even have been a comment if it didn’t just take a goal away from the caps.

So, while I have had similar feelings seeing this in other games I did choose this particular instance to voice my strong opinion against the rule.

Don’t fuck up hockey though has always been my feeling.

Picking apart off sides minutes after a goal is a terrible idea.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:11 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065830)
Lol talk about a false equivalency.

Should they not review for goaltender interference or a high stick on a goal? Who cares if there’s a little continuation? It’s not like it’s ever an absurd amount of time.

All at the time of the play. So, speaking of absurd, you must not understand my argument.

:) respectfully

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:13 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065833)
So, while I have had similar feelings seeing this in other games I did choose this particular instance to voice my strong opinion against the rule.

Don’t fuck up hockey though has always been my feeling.

Picking apart off sides minutes after a goal is a terrible idea.

Why? You haven’t provided one point.


Having continuation in a sport that is fluid has to happen. An illegal play is an illegal play. The way you fuck it up is trying to review every zone entry. Do the ones that matter (when there is a goal) and let the on ice refs handle the rest.


Can you imagine losing a SCF game in OT because an on ice ref missed a blatant offsides? (I know this may be hard for a Caps fan but I think you’ve got enough imagination)

lockman21 04-17-2018 06:14 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065808)
The Caps announcers ruin that instantly.

Yeah, not good.

I'm just loving watching this Columbus BJ's team.

Roose13 04-17-2018 06:15 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065825)
Something tells me you’re just being butthurt and this wouldn’t even have been a comment if it didn’t just take a goal away from the caps.

Pretty much this. :thumbsup

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:17 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
This series has been lots of fun to watch.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:18 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
I think it’s a dumb rule and is bad for the game (all games, all teams).

You all are free to disagree but should consider your position thoroughly.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:19 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
And to add to that. There’s no telling how quick a goal can come after a zone entry. You can’t just arbitrarily say “well if they’ve had zone possession for more than 30 seconds we won’t review it”.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:20 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065844)
I think it’s a dumb rule and is bad for the game (all games, all teams).

You all are free to disagree but should consider your position thoroughly.

Still waiting on any kind of argument. “It’s bad” is literally nothing.

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:20 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
I don't understand the whole penalty for a false offsides challenge. Now that's the only BS in question here.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:22 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065845)
And to add to that. There’s no telling how quick a goal can come after a zone entry. You can’t just arbitrarily say “well if they’ve had zone possession for more than 30 seconds we won’t review it”.

I’ll speak your language.

“Once another hockey play has been made it can no longer be reviewed”

barbogast 04-17-2018 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065817)
“We only care if you score” officiating is idiotic

Agreed. I have always felt this way about these situations, and have said so many times in here. 0% homer post.

It’s gotta be the way it is, but negating goals based on minimal/non impactful offsides plays is probably not the original spirit of the rule change

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:24 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065850)
I’ll speak your language.

“Once another hockey play has been made it can no longer be reviewed”

If there is a stoppage leading to a faceoff,I'll compromise.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:25 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065850)
I’ll speak your language.

“Once another hockey play has been made it can no longer be reviewed”

Another hockey play? What does that even mean?

So what if a guy skates in and shoots a slap shot right after being offsides past the blue line. Is that a hockey play?

Roose13 04-17-2018 06:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065847)
Still waiting on any kind of argument. “It’s bad” is literally nothing.

You should consider your position thoroughly. You forgot that part.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065853)
If there is a stoppage leading to a faceoff,I'll compromise.

Sure, if there’s a stoppage and it’s let go, don’t review it. If the play is current and still in the zone, i just can’t see any kind of solid argument not to look at it. We look at everything else that could be illegal about a goal. And like I said, I think they actually do a good job of not overturning ones that aren’t obvious.

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065856)
Another hockey play? What does that even mean?

So what if a guy skates in and shoots a slap shot right after being offsides past the blue line. Is that a hockey play?

Another hockey play = a football catch.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 17065856)
Another hockey play? What does that even mean?

So what if a guy skates in and shoots a slap shot right after being offsides past the blue line. Is that a hockey play?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065813)
So, not sure exactly what you mean. Like a foul after the ball is released? Sure.

Like I said, on a rush I get it but the moment the rush is over by a save ot something different like loss of possession or they were or were not offsides should not be reviewed.

Asked and answered

barbogast 04-17-2018 06:27 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065808)
The Caps announcers ruin that instantly.

What is wrong with the Caps announcers?

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:28 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065859)
Another hockey play = a football catch.

= another hockey play

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:30 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065860)
Asked and answered

This doesn't work though. It would literally be the only sport with real time review. The tech doesn't exist.

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:31 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
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Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065860)
Asked and answered

A “rush” :lol

You realize how many times a zone is entered and the puck is passed around before a shot attempt right?

So you’re saying you’d be okay with that, but not if there was a quick shot then a score off a rebound?


You talk about ruining the game, trying to make refs determine that muddles the rule even further... just like a catch in the nfl.

unccrombie 04-17-2018 06:31 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
So I enter the zone with the puck, offsides, and it's not called. My shot is saved by the goalie but the rebound gets netted. No review? You guys are nuts.

Climb2safety 04-17-2018 06:32 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 17065864)
This doesn't work though. It would literally be the only sport with real time review. The tech doesn't exist.

Once the play progresses past a point the offsides is no longer reviewable

TheLastPig 04-17-2018 06:35 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Climb2safety (Post 17065868)
Once the play progresses past a point the offsides is no longer reviewable

What. Is. The. “Point”?


See my post above. You’re trying to make the rule more complicated than it needs to be.

Hockey is so fluid, it’s not football. Pucks bounce off of stuff etc.

So if a pass is deflected then the attacking team recovers, it shouldn’t be reviewable?

You’re just making absurd statement. Making the rule more complicated makes it worse. It’s fine how it is.

mr.MikeD 04-17-2018 06:35 PM

Re: The NHL Thread (Avs are in the playoffs! 3elieve!)
 
I vote scrap the replay altogether . Who cares if a skate was a millimeter off the ice when the puck entered the zone. If they miss a few they miss a few.


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