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what about it?

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why allow one and not the other?

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because WCH doesn't interrupt the NHL regular season

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Because not doing this for them will lead to another lockout and possibility of a lost season. That is bad for everyone and I am not sure the NHL can afford ANOTHER lockout.

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NHL said they are eyeing 2022 for players to participate

if that's the case then it'll be collectively bargained

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That's a bit of a stretch considering they've been going to every Olympics since 98.

More to the point about the WC of Hockey is that it makes the injury risk a BS argument.

Let's face this is all about money. I get it. But the league should just be honest.

WC of Hockey lines their pockets and the Olympics doesn't. They're ok with Beijing because they have that China thang going on.

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Again, if 2022 is ok.... and every olympics since 1998 was ok... why is 2018 not ok?

Dolla Dolla Bills, y'all.

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Because it's an act of good faith that would go a long way with CBA negotiations coming up. Because it's something the players have been granted for 20 years now and is without argument a really shitty move on the league's part to suddenly deny it because it's inconvenient now all of a sudden. Because the fans want it. Because the hard work of the players is the reason the game is played at the level that it is today, and this is something the players want, and they deserve it.

Except that the average South Korean who is likely not at all familiar with hockey will get to see the game played at it's best level.

So then what's the issue with 2018? This point is counterproductive to your argument

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Bingo. Great points.

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Don't get me wrong, I totally understand why the NHL is doing what they are doing.

Soccer fans and soccer clubs constantly complain about their players getting hurt and fatigued during the international breaks every year and the World Cup every four years. Although the EPL, Bundesliga, or La Liga probably wouldn't dream/dare to prohibit their stars from playing internationally.

So, while I get why they are doing it, the league's excuses reek of BS and hypocrisy.

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NHL thought the Olympics would help grow it's sport

it didn't, so now they're saying no.

of course it's about money

2022 will most likely be collectively bargained

:lol:lol to the bolded

the issue with 2018 is that it's not collectively bargained

2022 most likely will be, which is the important part of my quote that you conveniently left out

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HOnest questions because I don't know... has participation in every Olympics 2018 been collectively bargained in the past?

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the new CBA after the 94-95 lockout is what got pro players to the 1998 Olympics in the first place

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I think the IOC said if they don't play in 2018 they can't play in 22 either

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The benefit is to not piss off the NHL brand. Players are going to want to play. No if ands or butts. So now everyone is pissed off at the NHL because the players want to play. Every single fan will side with the players and every single fan wants to see the players playing for their respective teams.


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For one, he left too many questions out there. He said "since no one responded " we are scheduling 2018 with no break and that was it.

What happens if a player goes? Is a quest that seems left unanswered for one.

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Wait, so you're admitting that there's a shift in the Olympic focus and it now needs to be collectively bargained (which it didn't before), and yet somehow Bettman doesn't hold any responsibility?

1+1 ≠ 2, here.

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I think his point not to put words in his mouth is that it's the owners that are pretty united against it and the players association didn't seem to care, and fan polls were not in favor even so, blaming bettman seems unfounded.

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Johnny T nailing it:

https://twitter.com/MarkLazerus/stat...31297935912962

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This is shittiness on the league's part. No other way to spin it. This means a lot to the players and the league is taking it away suddenly. It's bullshit.

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the IOC doesn't have the power to forbid players from joining a team (unless they impose an age limit), they can only forbid funding and compensation for participation.

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Where are you getting this from?

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Leonsis doesn't care if Ovechkin goes. So he's not grouped in with the NHL


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This is 100% on Bettman. Not sure why people think it's not...


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I don't buy this at all.

1) The league was never in a position to actually allow the NHLPA to negotiate. The NHLPA was standing on the legs of that if this needs to be collectively bargained, let's open it back up when they go in to collectively bargain. Not now. There's nothing in their contract now that says they can't go, so why is the NHL coming into this demanding the world (financial compensation for allowing players to participate) knowing full well they won't get it. The NHL is being unreasonable and using players emotions and country pride as a negotiating tactic. That's pretty scummy.

2) Something is seriously shady about those polls. What questions did they ask? How did they ask them? Who did they ask? They won't say. They're just standing behind them without releasing actual details.

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Really curious about said polls. I've seen nothing but overwhelming player support on the internet. And have for a long time with regards to this.

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"not pissing off the NHL brand" (whatever that means), isn't a benefit

if a player goes, he will be vulnerable to a breach of contract

whether the team or the NHL does anything about that is another question though.

bolded is wrong. it was collectively bargained before, that's the point

after 94-95 lockout, new CBA included the '98 and '02 Olympics

after '05 lockout, new CBA included a compensation clause for the '06 and '10 Olympics

after '12 lockout, new CBA did not include an Olympics clause. however, the players were allowed to participate in 2014 because there was a compensation agreement reached. Allegedly with the host country and the IIHF.

there's nothing "sudden" about this

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The NHL

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-will-no...cs/c-288385598

It's in the middle of the article, I'm not saying it's gospel but maybe gave them the feeling they were in more solid ground.

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because Bettman is just doing his job. and really well, i might add.

and i'm no Bettman apologist...but this was 100% the right call for him to make.

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I agree with both points.