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JRS1386 08-11-2016 02:56 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16551724)
It could, depending on how the Avs (particularly Sakic) handle it publicly. I think it's clear that Sakic has the better reputation in the hockey community. If he handles it with his usual class, I think they'll be alright.

That said, joining an organization where the coach quit in August will certainly give candidates at least a moment of pause.

The way he (Roy) made it sound was that the organization didn't take to him input and have their own vision on how to run this team. So they are looking for a yes-man coach or someone that already aligns to their vision so there won't be any friction between FO and the coach

fonzz41 08-11-2016 03:05 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by JRS1386 (Post 16551802)
The way he (Roy) made it sound was that the organization didn't take to him input and have their own vision on how to run this team. So they are looking for a yes-man coach or someone that already aligns to their vision so there won't be any friction between FO and the coach

Exactly. And what I'm saying is if it comes down to his word versus Sakic's, most people will trust Sakic.

If Roy was making stupid suggestions (like signing Radulov), it should be no wonder that the team's vision isn't "aligning" with his.

fonzz41 08-11-2016 03:07 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 16551800)
Total dick move from Roy. Completely bizarre timing. There's gotta be more to it than just a trade or something.

:thumbsup

Great Tweet:
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John MacKinnon ‏@rjmackinnon 22m22 minutes ago
I wonder if Patrick Roy glared wordlessly at Joe Sakic, then whispered something in Stan Kroenke's ear as he exited the building in Denver.

fonzz41 08-11-2016 03:16 PM

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According to the Denver Post, Sakic is on vacation right now. Nice, Patrick. :lol

kev87lads 08-11-2016 03:29 PM

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Some real news!

lockman21 08-11-2016 03:37 PM

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Never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y2OOc6WTrg

fonzz41 08-11-2016 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16551890)

Also, never forget:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gxlO243ztE

TMoore4075 08-11-2016 03:57 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16551900)

The Wings created their own craziest rivalry.

fonzz41 08-11-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 16551926)
The Wings created their own craziest rivalry.

I thought the same thing! :lol

Further to the Roy story in general, Erik Johnson was just on a Denver sports radio show, said "90%" of the players on the team loved playing for Roy, but also admitted that the writing was on the wall. Said players still need to be held accountable and should feel some blame for not producing.

dmbetc 08-11-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16551890)

That camera man is a pro.

TMoore4075 08-11-2016 04:05 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 16551931)
I thought the same thing! :lol

Further to the Roy story in general, Erik Johnson was just on a Denver sports radio show, said "90%" of the players on the team loved playing for Roy, but also admitted that the writing was on the wall. Said players still need to be held accountable and should feel some blame for not producing.

Wings probably win the Cup that year if they ONLY win 5-1. Glad they didn't though because it lead to the rivalry, Shanny and a very fun playoff run in 97.

salrx95 08-11-2016 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 16551726)
if that's what happened then Roy is really fucking stupid

He is impulsive and a hot head. Sure, there could have been other things involved but not getting an extension is certainly in the realm of possibilities.

lockman21 08-11-2016 04:26 PM

Re: The NHL Thread
 
I wouldn't try to apply logic to Patrick Roy. I stopped trying to understand Roy at this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4qfCbuhCw

fonzz41 08-11-2016 04:32 PM

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Most of the stuff going around has nothing to do with extensions but with personnel and team direction decisions. From previous statements, I've inferred that Patrick wouldn't want an extension if things continued to go poorly. But who knows.

That said, so far the only reliable "I talked personally with Patrick Roy" source is Lebrun. Here's what he tweeted, FWIW:

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Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 1h1 hour ago
Just spoke with Patrick Roy, who says he's got a ton of respect for Joe Sakic, the Avs and the Avs players (con't)

But Roy felt timing was right given the philosophical differences. Doesn't know what his future holds for him at this point (con't)...

Given that he has another year on his deal with Avs, says might just take a year to enjoy life, which he's rarely had the chance to do...

Roy also insists people shouldn't read into it more than what he said in the statement... says there's no back story, just time to move on

fonzz41 08-11-2016 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 16551976)
I wouldn't try to apply logic to Patrick Roy. I stopped trying to understand Roy at this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS4qfCbuhCw

This is a very correct line of thinking.

As a young fan, I just learned to cross my fingers and trust in the fact that for the 95% of the time when he was on, he was amazing; and then just hope that the 5% when he was off wouldn't cost the team the game. It's almost like I'd pray for him to make his one costly mistake early on in the game so the team had time to rebound from it.

lockman21 08-11-2016 04:37 PM

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Fuckin' goalies, man.

fonzz41 08-11-2016 04:42 PM

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Ed Belfour, amirite?

dmbetc 08-11-2016 11:31 PM

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Did you guys know there's such a thing as underwater hockey??

https://www.facebook.com/greatbigsto...7389372563490/

mr.MikeD 08-11-2016 11:39 PM

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Elliotte Friedman is a top notch hockey guy. Little shakier with the swimming thing.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NachoHelm...21782302646273

lockman21 08-12-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dmbetc (Post 16552380)
Did you guys know there's such a thing as underwater hockey??

https://www.facebook.com/greatbigsto...7389372563490/

:lol Yes. Whitest "sport" of all time.

~Crashintome89~ 08-12-2016 12:29 PM

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I bet Roy wanted to get rid of Barrie and Duchene, and was frustrated that the organization decided to keep them so he walked. It's a weird situation because it seems like the majority of the players like playing for him. I completely understand Roy though if he's frustrated that even though he's VP of Hockey Operations, he doesn't have that big of a say in moving personnel.

fonzz41 08-12-2016 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 16552814)
I bet Roy wanted to get rid of Barrie and Duchene, and was frustrated that the organization decided to keep them so he walked. It's a weird situation because it seems like the majority of the players like playing for him. I completely understand Roy though if he's frustrated that even though he's VP of Hockey Operations, he doesn't have that big of a say in moving personnel.

Erik Johnson was on a Denver sports radio show yesterday and said that 90% of the team "loved" playing for Patrick. He said he couldn't say enough about the type of personal, mentor-coach Patrick was with individuals.

Joe said he included Patrick in all his conversations about team direction. But again, Joe is the GM of the team, he gets the final say, and if he's getting feedback from Patrick that they should go out and sign an overpriced player from Russia who hasn't played in the NHL for a couple years, can we really blame Sakic for not taking Roy's advice? Ultimately, I guess we're providing specific examples that are all just speculation. Joe and Patrick have both just said that they simply didn't agree on some things. Joe also said that Patrick had indicated that he wasn't having as much fun coaching as he had before. Yeah, it's probably not that fun when you're not winning. :lol

In the end, I will always love and appreciate Patrick Roy, even if I think it's a dick move to do something like this in the middle of August. Whatever. I hope this ends up being a positive in the future as the Avs have plenty they need to address.

TMoore4075 08-12-2016 01:20 PM

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EJ on NHL Tonight yesterday was saying maybe part of it was how the NHL is to QMJL when you own the team. A lot more complicated in the NHL and maybe that was frustrating. Not sure if that has anything to do with it, but it would make sense.

aeroshady 08-12-2016 02:22 PM

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Late to the game, but the Roy move is crazy. August?? Really??

fonzz41 08-12-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aeroshady (Post 16552925)
Late to the game, but the Roy move is crazy. August?? Really??

And camp opens in like 39 days, so get crackin', Super Joe!

lockman21 08-12-2016 03:36 PM

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I just want a Hjalmarsson Sweden sweater. Why is that so hard to find?

fonzz41 08-12-2016 03:53 PM

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I just want a Hjalmarsson Sweden sweater. Why is that so hard to find?

Found one. Seems legit:

lockman21 08-12-2016 03:57 PM

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Wow that's beautiful

fonzz41 08-12-2016 04:03 PM

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I know how you appreciate the high quality, official stuff.

lockman21 08-12-2016 04:08 PM

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Matty - a hockey in Texas update:

I joined a team down here that plays Saturday nights. Skated nearly the entire last game because our defense was so bad. Guys kept just telling me to just stay out there (so many times I skated to the bench to see guys just waving me back out to the ice). Our goalie eventually had to call our timeout because I could barely stand on my skates in the third period. Leaning so heavy on my stick at a faceoff I'm shocked it didn't snap. We lost 4-2, and I had the only goals for our team...as a defensemen. I even had a breakaway (again...as a defensemen). Our team registered 12 shots on goal, and I had 5 of them (AGAIN...AS A DEFENSEMEN). Their team had 42 shots. It was BRUTAL.

I've only played two games and was already asked to wear an "A" when the next league starts. Kinda bizarre to have a men's league team put C's and A's on their sweaters, but whatever. Skill level is literally all over the map. I mean, you always get some sandbaggers playing in lower leagues and guys playing way above their skill level in upper leagues, but the skill discrepancy here is unheard of. One guy literally uses rental skates, and on his line is a dude that played college hockey. Like, what? It's really, really frustrating. I can't tell you how many times I got the puck behind our own net only to see the forwards idea of a breakout is to ALL already be in the neutral zone skating the other way. I constantly have literally no where to pass. I am forced to throw a hail mary away from someone on the other team and off the side boards hoping to connect with someone, or skate it out on my own and hope I can avoid the three guys on the forecheck. I can't tell you how many times I throw that hail mary pass, connect with the guys tape as he's about to cross the blue line, throw a mini-celebration in my head for what I only can imagine is an act of god that allowed me to find that guy's tape...only to have him be unable to handle the pass and we just lose possession...again.

Save me :lol


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