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Re: New Album Coming Soon?

I like shotgun, or the idea of shotgun I should say. Just never evolved how I thought it would. They added that regal horn section for some reason and Dave chose not to write verse lyrics after the first verse. IMO he just needs to go back, and listen to that first one, use that melody and/or lyrics verbatim and finish it. How does the original have more lyrics than the current one?

The enigma that is Dave Matthews/DMB

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Originally Posted by madhatter (Post 18195415)

BTW, if you look at the handwritten set lists (Jeff often posts them), Dave misspells Rapunzel in that exact way all the time. [emoji23]

Case in point.

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What I said was that Shotgun is a bummer because it got overwritten. But of course feel free to suggest I said something totally different! This is a mesage board after all :-)

I'm stoked for studio WATM, BFI, MME, and STTMB whenever they finish this thing

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Originally Posted by groogrux27 (Post 18195347)

The fact that it was a late scratch for the bonus cd for -- i believe #27 -- is really, really heart breaking

I thought Shotgun was overrated from day 1, and find #27 to be far superior to it. If Shotgun is one of, if not THE most overrated DMB song, then #27 is one of the most underrated.

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Originally Posted by groogrux27 (Post 18195347)

The fact that it was a late scratch for the bonus cd for -- i believe #27 -- is really, really heart breaking

Dave “nahhh Nvmd we can’t use that as a bonus cause we’re gonna use it on the next album”

Next album comes “ahhh actually forget those old songs man”

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Originally Posted by elconguero (Post 18195420)

I still think of an alternate branch of the multiverse where Dave focused an album around the tiny guitar with the foundation of jackpot, idea of you and shotgun in 06ish. What it could’ve been if he felt like going that direction and completing those songs.

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The shotgun from alpine 8.26.07 is perfection.

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Originally Posted by bowa36 (Post 18195395)

Why is this thread still open?

While we're on the topic, here are some cool / unique setlist scans & statistics from the almanac. I enjoy looking at the printed sets.

https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055255&tid=38 The first known printed set.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055010&tid=31 The second known printed set.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3054772&tid=22 The first known printed set in the format as we know it. Note the misspelled Rapunzel and "IBYU"
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=13&tid=2 First time Big Eyed Fish is setlisted. Listed as "Fish Monkey"
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=18&tid=2 The Space Between goes from being listed as "Space Between" to just "Space" for the first time. They would later list it as "Space Between" again during the tour and would alternate between the two. It eventually permanently became "Space Between", likely due to Spaceman existing.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=31&tid=2 Sleep to Dream Her is not listed in all caps for reasons unknown. Note the lack of an encore indicator
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=33&tid=2 If I Had It All is listed as "If I Had". It was originally listed with the full title and would later settle on "If I Had It".
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=36&tid=2 Grey Street is listed as "Grey St." for the first time. It had previously been listed by the full title, and then "Grey".
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.aspx?sid=40&tid=2 The first NPR Fool listing.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055772&tid=12 Three different options for the closer.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055833&tid=58 Gravedigger is listed as "Gay Rigger (Norm)"
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055921&tid=69 Loving Wings is put on the printed set for the first time, despite being played several times before this.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055918&tid=69 Watchtower is listed as "All Along The", despite always being listed as "Watchtower" before
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055980&tid=72 A reminder to keep Ants Marching short.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055990&tid=72 A reminder to keep Two Step short.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3055995&tid=72 A planned #41 into Everyday.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056000&tid=72 A planned Fool to Think into Grace Is Gone.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056075&tid=80 The new 4 in '04 are setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056096&tid=80 The new 4 in '04 are setlisted by their actual names for the first time. Good Good Time is put on the printed set for the first time.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056101&tid=80 "Fonz' Jam In 7" (Dreaming Tree?) setlisted, Too Much Outro setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056103&tid=80 Anyone Seen the Bridge is setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056173&tid=83 Louisiana Bayou is setlisted for the first time, with the full title. Hunger for the Great Light is listed as "Great Light". It would later change to simply "Hunger"
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056175&tid=83 A setlist on a big piece of paper with some spacing in between the songs. What Would You Say is listed as "What" as opposed to the normal "What Would".
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056177&tid=83 A choice between Warehouse or "2Step".
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056214&tid=83 The very first printed #34, since they did not have this system the last time it was played.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056197&tid=83 The song debut of American Baby Intro is setlisted as "[Intro?]". It would go on like this for a time
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056232&tid=83 The song debut of Everybody Wake Up is setlisted as a choice. "Drive or Wake Up"
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056236&tid=83 There is nothing particularly special about this printed set, I just enjoy the way it looks. It's very compact and sublime looking.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056269&tid=87 #40 is put on the printed set for the very first time.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056292&tid=87 A small question mark is listed after Sister.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056302&tid=87 Louisiana Bayou, previously setlisted as "Louisiana", is changed to "Bayou". It would then alternate between the two before permanently becoming Bayou.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056473&tid=96 A reminder to keep Loving Wings short.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056485&tid=96 A question mark is setlisted. This later turned out to be Butterfly.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056514&tid=96 Two different setlists for the same night.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056492&tid=96 Lie in Our Graves reprise is setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056493&tid=96 Typical Situation is listed as [Typical] to indicate the partial version of the song they played in '07.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056581&tid=98 A choice in the encore is indicated between the songs rather than side by side.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056549&tid=98 Back to back Money setlisted with their respective artists next to them.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056552&tid=98 Back to back Money setlisted without their respective artists next to them.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056583&tid=98 Seek Up is handwritten to open the set, while Old Dirt Hill is printed as the opener.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056558&tid=98 Two different printed sets that are the same except for the opening encore song.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056565&tid=98 "Everyday -> Halloween" is setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...3056569&tid=98 The first printed set after LeRoi's passing. One Sweet World was planned for the encore, but was changed to Corn Bread.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...056616&tid=103 "Too Much Hits" is setlisted.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...056618&tid=103 Blue Water is setlisted, possibly for the first time at a DMB show.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...056681&tid=106 An option for a Tim Reynolds song is listed at a full band show.
https://dmbalmanac.com/TourSetScan.a...056631&tid=106 Lots of encore choices listed.

That's all I have time for right now, I'll probably post another for 2010-2022. I hope someone finds some entertainment in this post. I just find these little details interesting. If not, cool. Just adding to the conversation :leroi

Thanks for doing this, I love this kinda stuff haha

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Originally Posted by bibby1044 (Post 18195440)

Dave “nahhh Nvmd we can’t use that as a bonus cause we’re gonna use it on the next album”

Next album comes “ahhh actually forget those old songs man”

I still think of an alternate branch of the multiverse where Dave focused an album around the tiny guitar with the foundation of jackpot, idea of you and shotgun in 06ish. What it could’ve been if he felt like going that direction and completing those songs.

I think The Fly was on it too

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18195473)

I think The Fly was on it too

I love that song, always forget about it

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Pretty sure if they put this out back in the day, we would have bought, liked and it would be considered a DMB success story...

Kill The King
Break for it
Jackpot
Crazy Easy
Idea of You
The Fly
Shotgun
Help Myself
A dream so real
Sugar Will
Break Free
Joyride
#40

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Don’t care about rarity. A good shotgun is top 10 for me.

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Originally Posted by BarkRock (Post 18195496)

Don't forget Drive Me Away and Early Home! There's just so many gems they never officially released from that era...

I still think the Batson Sessions as they are > Come Tomorrow (the album).

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18195473)

I think The Fly was on it too

Another great one. How could I forget about that gem.

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Originally Posted by bowa36 (Post 18195395)

This is amazing. Thank you.

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What’re all the tiny guitar songs?

Idea of You
Jackpot/Falling off the Roof
Shotgun
The Fly
Drive Me Away
Squirm
Baby Blue

He also has that one electric guitar from that same era he uses for Alligator Pie, but was using early on for these tunes but at some point mid 2007 tour switched to acoustic:

Corn Bread
Eh Hee
#27

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I feel people would have been very disappointed with studio Shotgun and be disgusted to learn #27 was cut for it. That #27, and #27 in general, is actually decent.

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What should this thread really be called?

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Originally Posted by btpeters (Post 18195529)

I don’t think Drive Me Away is played on the little red guitar.

He also plays A Whiter Shade of Pale on that guitar too, but that’s a cover so idk if we’re counting it.

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Originally Posted by RSSR (Post 18195539)

I feel people would have been very disappointed with studio Shotgun and be disgusted to learn #27 was cut for it. That #27, and #27 in general, is actually decent.

I mean we have no idea what Cavallo’s sounded like. He also has an Idea of You, A Dream So Real and Sister. Which i believe at one point Sister was a part of that bonus disc, too. I think people are more disappointed w Shotgun not getting released than they ever would’ve been with #27. Not a diss on it but that one was always just kinda “there” with people. Shotgun & Idea of You were super popular 2006-2008.

We also got Corn Bread on the Europe disc. It’s possible #27 could’ve wound up there in this alternate universe.

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Originally Posted by TheStone91 (Post 18195557)

I don’t think Drive Me Away is played on the little red guitar.

He also plays A Whiter Shade of Pale on that guitar too, but that’s a cover so idk if we’re counting it.

I’d count it. I’m guessing on Drive Me Away.

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Wordle….??? 5/24/22…?

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Originally Posted by LynchFS (Post 18195591)

Wordle….??? 5/24/22…?

Today is the day???!!!

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Originally Posted by groogrux27 (Post 18195347)

The fact that it was a late scratch for the bonus cd for -- i believe #27 -- is really, really heart breaking

I'll take #27 over Shotgun, despite it being a far less original song...almost a folk blues standard really.

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Originally Posted by bubba40 (Post 18195394)

Call me crazy, but in the mid-late 2000s, wasn't The Space Between held in much lower regard by the fanbase?

I may well have been, but I never liked from the first time I heard it. Still one of the most generic rock ballads produced by this band.

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I’ve always liked space between. That’s how a hit really should be written in terms of lyrics. Love the lyrics for the hit song spot on an album.

Also my wife loves 27. I’d never wish to hear 27 before shotgun despite my criticality of it in this thread.

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#27 for me is one of the most "okay-est" songs I feel like he's written. Its not bad, its not great, its pretty good. Sounds in line with their sound. I'm just super indifferent. Not sure I'd ever hope for it at a show after hearing it the first couple times (I've only seen it 5 times since 2007 and only caught it on 3 tours total).

Helps out a great set, doesn't do anything for a subpar one.

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Originally Posted by bubba40 (Post 18195394)

Call me crazy, but in the mid-late 2000s, wasn't The Space Between held in much lower regard by the fanbase?

Surprisingly I'd say no. That one was never really hated on ever that I can recall. As far as I've seen most have always liked it over the years.

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Originally Posted by KevinTH (Post 18195666)

Surprisingly I'd say no. That one was never really hated on ever that I can recall. As far as I've seen most have always liked it over the years.

Yeah, most fans I know have always liked it...that said, I can't speak to crowd reaction during the time specified...

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Originally Posted by Dagwin (Post 18195556)

What should this thread really be called?

Random dmb thoughts that don't need their own thread.....OH WAIT.

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If we are talking about summer about Shotguns being played across the tour 3-5 more times not being as good as the 06-07 ones that will be a sign of an amazing tour. Yes the song has changed but it is still better than other songs that were self sabotaged and not as good as their original form

Examples

Watchtower Cover- used to be more acoustic and fiddle based and was better (even when santana brough the electric guitar at the vet) it is now a timC/DC led version that sucks
DDTW- Sped up and has lost it's sense of dynamics and campfire feel. they are sneakily taking land they literally are coming in guns blazing
Can't Stop- Sped up from the original version and just not cool anymore it was better when it was played less
Satellite- too much noise of dave's guitar would be better if the piano and acoustic guitar led the song like Live Trax 31 (the best version of the song)