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bonzo48280 11-14-2013 10:39 PM

The hawks still have Clendening, Johns, Danault, Morin, McNeil, and Teuvo in the minors. This team is absolute insanity.

I feel bad for all of you. Just come over to the dark side.

DMBZeppelin 11-14-2013 10:43 PM

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I like Hayes but getting Versteeg is awesome. Even if both turned into great players. Neither will help you win a cup this year. So I enjoy being a team that makes win now moves. It is funny that Bowman finally made a big deadline move after getting blasted the last few for complacency. Though it figures it's with Tallon.

Can anyone tell me anything about Lefebvre?

lockman21 11-14-2013 10:46 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14916505)
The hawks still have Clendening, Johns, Danault, Morin, McNeil, and Teuvo in the minors. This team is absolute insanity.

I feel bad for all of you. Just come over to the dark side.

Yup. And that's not even touching on guys like Alex Broadhurst, LeBlanc and Nordstrom.

There's so much talent it's ridiculous. They also have an extra 4th and 5th round pick in the 2014 draft.

AND an extra 5th in the 2015 for the Carcillo trade.

bonzo48280 11-14-2013 10:48 PM

Stan Bowman is a wizard. If he made moves at the two deadlines before last year we would have lost depth and MAYBE gone deep in the playoffs? Look at them now. Just won the cup, absolutely killing it right now, and top farm system, and an unbelievable roster and our salary cap problems are non-existent.

Incredible.

bonzo48280 11-14-2013 10:48 PM

Stan bowman traded Dan Carcillo. I forgot about that :lol

DMBZeppelin 11-14-2013 10:49 PM

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Adrian Dater who writes for Denver Post, SI.com, and Bleacher Report:

Quote:

@adater: Count me among the minority. I think Florida got better of that trade.

@adater: Then again, I just praised a Dale Tallon move. Maybe need to reconsider

@adater: That's right, I forgot Versteeg turned Florida into a big winner after getting him. My bad. Hawks win!

@adater: Versteeg showed what kind of player he really is in Florida: not a leading man, not worth his salary. But as a 7th banana in Chi, fine...
And Chris Kuc responded to him:

Quote:

@ChrisKuc: Hawks had soured on Olsen. Hayes needs to improve skating.
Only posting because not there's at least one instance of someone not liking it.

lockman21 11-14-2013 10:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 14916517)
I like Hayes but getting Versteeg is awesome. Even if both turned into great players. Neither will help you win a cup this year. So I enjoy being a team that makes win now moves. It is funny that Bowman finally made a big deadline move after getting blasted the last few for complacency. Though it figures it's with Tallon.

Can anyone tell me anything about Lefebvre?

Hayes's time in Chicago was up. He was never going to crack the squad again this year, and his contract was up at the end of the season. The Hawks were never going to resign him because, as noted a couple times in this thread, he had fallen way down the ladder. Saad, Bickell, Morin, Nordstrom, A. Broadhurst, Bollig...they all had a roster spot before Hayes. Hayes is a large body that refuses to play like it. I wish him the best, but he had his shot and couldn't do anything with it. It's not a loss at all for the Hawks. Having too much young talent is a good thing, and he just couldn't cut it.

I don't know a LOT about Lefebvre, but I doubt he sees time with Chicago. He's done at the end of the year too. It was most likely just a money move, and a roster spot in Rockford. I'm guessing Florida wanted to dump some payroll since they were retaining part of Versteeg's salary, and the Hawks needed someone that wouldn't effect the NHL cap.

From what I do know, he's not a guy that will "WOW" you with offensive talent, but he'll do everything pretty well.

bonzo48280 11-14-2013 10:55 PM

That guy is an idiot.

DMBZeppelin 11-14-2013 10:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14916536)
Stan Bowman is a wizard. If he made moves at the two deadlines before last year we would have lost depth and MAYBE gone deep in the playoffs? Look at them now. Just won the cup, absolutely killing it right now, and top farm system, and an unbelievable roster and our salary cap problems are non-existent.

Incredible.

When are the Toews and Kane deals up? After this year or the year after?

lockman21 11-14-2013 11:03 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14916536)
Stan Bowman is a wizard. If he made moves at the two deadlines before last year we would have lost depth and MAYBE gone deep in the playoffs? Look at them now. Just won the cup, absolutely killing it right now, and top farm system, and an unbelievable roster and our salary cap problems are non-existent.

Incredible.

Yep :thumbsup

Incredible trade.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14916541)
Stan bowman traded Dan Carcillo. I forgot about that :lol

:lol Yeah, seriously.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 14916545)
Adrian Dater who writes for Denver Post, SI.com, and Bleacher Report:

And Chris Kuc responded to him:

Only posting because not there's at least one instance of someone not liking it.

I'm typically not a fan of Dater or Kuc, but there's really nothing but positives for the Hawks in this one. Kuc nailed it. Olsen, who skated in a NHL playoff game with the Hawks, ended up the next season on the 3rd defensive pair in Rockford. The guy fell off the face of the earth. Just too much blue line talent. Thanks to Adam Clendening for that one.

Hayes, as I said, had his chance. He's not strong on his skates, and had plenty of chances to become the big man the Hawks need. I wish he worked out, and because he didn't, we now have to deal with Bickell at $4 million AAV. So, trust me when I say this, I wish he worked out. He just...didn't. He, just like Olsen, fell out of favor with the Hawks, and for good reason. There was too much talent in front of him to justify a roster spot. His time in Chicago was up.

So, like I said before, the Hawks gave up really nothing. Neither of those guys were going to see NHL ice time with Chicago again, so all Bowman did here was gamble on Versteeg's cap hit not being a problem, and with Florida picking up half of it, there's no way it is a problem when the cap is above $70 million next season, and even higher the following.

Versteeg shouldn't be "the man", he'll fit right in on the 3rd line in Chicago, which is where he was in 2010 with Ladd. Granted, Ladd is a much, much better linemate than Shaw or Bickell, but Versteeg will do just fine on that line. He also gives the Hawks more flexibility when Q inevitably wants to shuffle the lines when things start stalling. He can play a top 6 role if he needs to.

bonzo48280 11-14-2013 11:03 PM

After next year. The cap will be way up. I'm not remotely concerned. Stan Bowman has done nothing but mostly A+ moves.

Hammers cap hit
Leddy/Barker
Frolik/Skille
Pick/Carcillo
Versteeg/Olsen-Hayes

lockman21 11-14-2013 11:04 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 14916559)
When are the Toews and Kane deals up? After this year or the year after?

http://capgeek.com/blackhawks

After next year, and you can expect the cap to probably be around $74-$75 million during the 2015-2016 season, if not higher. It honestly might be around $80 million.

Stan has said explicitly that he's planning around resigning Toews and Kane, and that they aren't going anywhere. I'm expecting them both to be around $8-$9 million for 8 years. We'll be just fine.

lockman21 11-14-2013 11:06 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 14916580)
After next year. The cap will be way up. I'm not remotely concerned. Stan Bowman has done nothing but mostly A+ moves.

Hammers cap hit
Leddy/Barker
Frolik/Skille
Pick/Carcillo
Versteeg/Olsen-Hayes

Don't forget that he traded John Scott to the Rangers for their 5th round pick in 2012. :lol

lockman21 11-14-2013 11:07 PM

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Also got Oduya.

The only questionable things he's done so far are signing Montador to an extension that got bought out...annnnnnnnd that's really it.

I don't like the Bickell signing, but it's still too early on that one.

lockman21 11-14-2013 11:28 PM

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One more thing...good for Seguin, eh?

4th in the NHL in goals, 5th in points...just registered a 4 goal night. Keep it up, kid.

bonzo48280 11-14-2013 11:59 PM

Trading John Scott is more insane. Jesus H. Christ.

Rebecca De Mornay 11-15-2013 06:42 AM

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Well, blue jackets out played the bruins last night I thought, especially in the 3rd. just can't get a break.

TMoore4075 11-15-2013 06:49 AM

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Waiting for another Wings OT or shootout loss tonight....I guess they are getting points which is better than nothing but damn. So close yet so far.

fonzz41 11-15-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14916369)
Yeh Avs got worked. Of course Matt Duchene still managed to score a NASTY goal in the loss. Dude is incredible.

Nasty goal, and also his first fight. :thumbsup I'm sure that pleased Roy.

Bron Yr Aur 11-15-2013 10:05 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DMBZeppelin (Post 14916517)
I like Hayes but getting Versteeg is awesome. Even if both turned into great players. Neither will help you win a cup this year. So I enjoy being a team that makes win now moves. It is funny that Bowman finally made a big deadline move after getting blasted the last few for complacency. Though it figures it's with Tallon.

Can anyone tell me anything about Lefebvre?

Acquiring Versteeg at this point in his career is not really a "big deadline move" though. This guy has not been good this year and was hurt almost all of last season.

But obviously there is definite upside here with him coming back to a high-scoring team.

lockman21 11-15-2013 10:17 AM

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I can't wait for Bowman to trade for Ladd and Bolland just so we can have that RIDICULOUS third line again.

Rebecca De Mornay 11-15-2013 10:18 AM

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:lol chris still hoping bolland comes back

Bron Yr Aur 11-15-2013 10:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14916634)
One more thing...good for Seguin, eh?

4th in the NHL in goals, 5th in points...just registered a 4 goal night. Keep it up, kid.

Never liked that trade for the Bruins. Cannot believe they would trade away one of the most talented forwards in the league.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14916579)
Versteeg shouldn't be "the man", he'll fit right in on the 3rd line in Chicago, which is where he was in 2010 with Ladd. Granted, Ladd is a much, much better linemate than Shaw or Bickell, but Versteeg will do just fine on that line. He also gives the Hawks more flexibility when Q inevitably wants to shuffle the lines when things start stalling. He can play a top 6 role if he needs to.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Saad/Shaw/Versteeg 3rd line? Like that a lot more than Bickell on that line.

rickyh24 11-15-2013 10:20 AM

Seguin had no interest in playing the way this bruins team does. He had plenty of chances.

fonzz41 11-15-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14917426)
Never liked that trade for the Bruins. Cannot believe they would trade away one of the most talented forwards in the league.

It actually looked like a really astute trade for Boston. A great hockey trade... in theory. Boston gives up a great (if one-dimensional) offensive talent with questions regarding attitude and commitment, and gets a proven hard worker and leader with a great all-around game, albeit not as offensively gifted. Eriksson's a poor man's Peter Forsberg. Dallas also benefited as a struggling market by getting a very marketable name who - even at a young point in his career - was in need of a change.

Been a tough start to the season for Eriksson, I hope he gets to where he can be in Boston. The trade has seemed to completely rejuvenate Seguin in Dallas. It's become apparent that he's one of those that thrives being the number one guy, and the responsibility seems to have helped his attitude and maturity. I love seeing him do this well and I hope he keeps it up. The league can never have enough hard-working, high-end talent like him.

fonzz41 11-15-2013 10:39 AM

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Hey guys, just wanted to point out how the Versteeg trade brought Chris and Bron together, if only for a moment. Really sweet, guys.

Bron Yr Aur 11-15-2013 10:40 AM

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Sorry, just disagree. I just think it's going to look like a pretty terrible trade in the end. You don't trade away a 21-yr old offensive powerhouse for a (very good) player entering his post-peak years.

fonzz41 11-15-2013 10:43 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14917470)
Sorry, just disagree. I just think it's going to look like a pretty terrible trade in the end. You don't trade away a 21-yr old offensive powerhouse for a (very good) player entering his post-peak years.

I actually don't think we're disagreeing that much. He wasn't fitting in Boston, so they made a trade for someone they thought would. So far, Dallas definitely seems to have come out on top, and like I said I'm happy to see Seguin doing well, but it's been a pretty small sample size so far so I'm not ready to call the Eriksson acquisition a bust yet.

HallowBillies7 11-15-2013 10:44 AM

The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14917470)
Sorry, just disagree. I just think it's going to look like a pretty terrible trade in the end. You don't trade away a 21-yr old offensive powerhouse for a (very good) player entering his post-peak years.

Bruins are trying to win now, they got Loui and dumped Seguin in hopes of this. If the Bruins get to the Finals again this year and Loui gets more than 1 goal I call it a success lol. But seriously, Seguin didn't fit here. He had flashes of brilliance, but usually would just enter the zone and try and dangle through 3 players. I do miss his speed though which is why I wish they'd call up Ryan Spooner full time.

Edit: don't forget it wasn't a straight up Seguin for Loui trade. Reilly Smith has looked pretty strong giving us a great 3rd line this far into the season.

lockman21 11-15-2013 10:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 14917426)
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. Saad/Shaw/Versteeg 3rd line? Like that a lot more than Bickell on that line.

No, Saad needs to stay up top. He's cemented himself as a top 6 forward.

If lines become stale we may see something like that for short periods of time, but Saad is a top 6, not a 3rd line forward on this team.

Saad/Toews/Hossa
Sharp/Pirri/Kane
Bickell/Shaw/Versteeg
Bollig/Kruger/Smith

I think that's what we're basically going to see for the rest of the year. Some guys will shuffle, as is normal with a Q system, but that will probably be the "base" that Q roles with most of the time.


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