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TMoore4075 10-24-2013 08:11 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by unccrombie (Post 14880827)
oh, sorry, i couldn't hear you from our -18 goal differential.

LOL I guess I should say as much as the wings did last night and the third period Saturday against PHX. Embarrassing they shutout the Sharks, shootout does not count as a goal, but give up 6 to the Sens. But yeah things could be worse.

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 08:17 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I have to say while the Wings had a bad night, guessing they were distracted by all the hype that game was being given, it's funny reading all the Canadian guys pretty much talking smack over one game. It's barely over 1% of the entire season. One thing I read was "Alfredsson thought he was leaving for greener pastures." Seriously? If we're basing all of this off one game, this early in the season, then I'll just say where are the Wings in the standings compared to the Sens even with going 0-2-1 in their last 3? So dumb when media people get their bias in the way of things like this.

barbogast 10-24-2013 08:32 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Wow just saw the Scott hit. Awful. Hopefully Shanahan throws the book at this guy. Pure classlessness

fonzz41 10-24-2013 08:52 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 14880821)
Edit: Just saw this;
‏@BrianHedger What if, instead of suspension, Buffalo had to play Scott at least 15 minutes in each of the next five games? Think thugs would exist long?

:lol :lol :lol

Fantastic. Man, between Kaleta, Ott, and Scott, this Sabres team is just overflowing with class.

salrx95 10-24-2013 08:54 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 14880839)
Wow just saw the Scott hit. Awful. Hopefully Shanahan throws the book at this guy. Pure classlessness

yeah, it was so bad.

Milbury ruined the Isles but I agree with him here. On NHL live before the game, he said Scott doesn't have a place in the game cause he has no hockey skill, etc and only there to, paraphrase, goon it up. And then that hit happened. He was killing Scott, the coach Rolston and the Sabres organization for all their dirty hits so far this year after the game. He finally got something right.

fonzz41 10-24-2013 08:59 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14880833)
I have to say while the Wings had a bad night, guessing they were distracted by all the hype that game was being given, it's funny reading all the Canadian guys pretty much talking smack over one game. It's barely over 1% of the entire season. One thing I read was "Alfredsson thought he was leaving for greener pastures." Seriously? If we're basing all of this off one game, this early in the season, then I'll just say where are the Wings in the standings compared to the Sens even with going 0-2-1 in their last 3? So dumb when media people get their bias in the way of things like this.

This really bugs me too. I mean, there's something to be said when you're calling the games for your home team... you're obviously going to talk about them a little more and such, but c'mon. When I was traveling last week I watched the Avs/Stars game, but it was the Dallas feed, and I couldn't believe the blatant bias of the announcers... like literally sucking the cocks of the Stars players and criticizing everything the Avs did. Every Avs hit was dirty, every good Avs play was an anomaly or had something miniscule wrong with it... Ridiculous. I've heard it from a couple other local announcers as well.

Now, if you want good, solid announcers (and yeah, maybe this shows MY bias), check out Mike Haynes and Peter McNabb for the Avalanche. Incredibly knowledgeable, call it like they see it, and don't go off on ridiculous tangents about something that has nothing to do with the game. Yeah, they talk more about the Avs because they're catering to their home network, but they also call it like they see it.

fonzz41 10-24-2013 09:08 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 14880855)
yeah, it was so bad.

Milbury ruined the Isles but I agree with him here. On NHL live before the game, he said Scott doesn't have a place in the game cause he has no hockey skill, etc and only there to, paraphrase, goon it up. And then that hit happened. He was killing Scott, the coach Rolston and the Sabres organization for all their dirty hits so far this year after the game. He finally got something right.

The good thing is, the process of natural selection in the evolution of hockey is slowly weeding these guys out of the game. Like we talked about a while ago during our big fighting discussion, there's only a handful of "pure" goons left in the league, whereas there used to be one on every team.

I mean, let's try to list the number of pure, skill-less goons who suit up on a REGULAR basis for their team:
John Scott
George Parros
Paul Bissonnette (iffy, he's scratched an awful lot)
Colton Orr
Brian McGratton
Kevin Westgarth

... Maybe a few more that I can't think of off the top of my head, but the point is there's not many. Now, I'm talking pure, no-talent-other-than-fists enforcers. Guys like Shawn Thornton don't count, as they can take a regular shift and actually contribute.

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 09:26 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 14880861)
This really bugs me too. I mean, there's something to be said when you're calling the games for your home team... you're obviously going to talk about them a little more and such, but c'mon. When I was traveling last week I watched the Avs/Stars game, but it was the Dallas feed, and I couldn't believe the blatant bias of the announcers... like literally sucking the cocks of the Stars players and criticizing everything the Avs did. Every Avs hit was dirty, every good Avs play was an anomaly or had something miniscule wrong with it... Ridiculous. I've heard it from a couple other local announcers as well.

Now, if you want good, solid announcers (and yeah, maybe this shows MY bias), check out Mike Haynes and Peter McNabb for the Avalanche. Incredibly knowledgeable, call it like they see it, and don't go off on ridiculous tangents about something that has nothing to do with the game. Yeah, they talk more about the Avs because they're catering to their home network, but they also call it like they see it.

Is that radio or tv? I don't like the Avs radio guy. And yeah you're right, home team play by play is one things. You have to have a little bias for your fans listening. I've only heard the Stars guys a few times and thought they were ok. They were quick to praise Datsyuk and Z on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fCKINi4qgE

So I liked that. lol But the TSN guys, you are supposed to be objective even if it's Canada and they were coming across as 14 year old fans.

salrx95 10-24-2013 09:27 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 14880871)
The good thing is, the process of natural selection in the evolution of hockey is slowly weeding these guys out of the game. Like we talked about a while ago during our big fighting discussion, there's only a handful of "pure" goons left in the league, whereas there used to be one on every team.

I mean, let's try to list the number of pure, skill-less goons who suit up on a REGULAR basis for their team:
John Scott
George Parros
Paul Bissonnette (iffy, he's scratched an awful lot)
Colton Orr
Brian McGratton
Kevin Westgarth

... Maybe a few more that I can't think of off the top of my head, but the point is there's not many. Now, I'm talking pure, no-talent-other-than-fists enforcers. Guys like Shawn Thornton don't count, as they can take a regular shift and actually contribute.

Chris Neil would go along with Thornton, too and is even a better player. When he was a FA a couple of years ago, I wanted Isles to sign him so bad.

Islanders carry Boulton on the roster but he has only played one game so far against, guess who, the Sabres. He actually had an assist in that game and, though, I don't want him getting regular shifts, he knows the game and doesn't "hurt" us.

But Scott has no place in the game. I think it is 50/50 he has played his last game coming off of this.

fonzz41 10-24-2013 09:32 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 14880894)
Is that radio or tv? I don't like the Avs radio guy. And yeah you're right, home team play by play is one things. You have to have a little bias for your fans listening. I've only heard the Stars guys a few times and thought they were ok. They were quick to praise Datsyuk and Z on this:

TV - haven't listented to the radio much
Quote:

Originally Posted by salrx95 (Post 14880895)
Chris Neil would go along with Thornton, too and is even a better player. When he was a FA a couple of years ago, I wanted Isles to sign him so bad.

Islanders carry Boulton on the roster but he has only played one game so far against, guess who, the Sabres. He actually had an assist in that game and, though, I don't want him getting regular shifts, he knows the game and doesn't "hurt" us.

But Scott has no place in the game. I think it is 50/50 he has played his last game coming off of this.

:thumbsup Chris Neil is exactly the type of player teams want on their roster now. Can play a regular shift - even in the top 6 on the depth chart - but still big enough to provide the muscle.

Rebecca De Mornay 10-24-2013 09:36 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Jared Boll is another example of a guy that is an enforcer but can also play a quality shift on the 4th line. There is no reason for John Scott to be in the NHL.

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 09:53 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 14880899)
TV - haven't listented to the radio much

What's radio? lol

I actually had to listen to it on Columbus Day when the Wings played in the afternoon. I was like "so this is what this feels like?"

So John Scott, saw the hit finally...screw him. Get him out of this league.

Rebecca De Mornay 10-24-2013 09:55 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
:lol there is no sport worse for radio than hockey

even tennis would be better

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 09:59 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14880949)
:lol there is no sport worse for radio than hockey

even tennis would be better

Nascar? Golf? Can't believe those two are actually broadcast over the radio.

"Here they come around turn one, turn two...."

"Tiger hit that far. You should see it."

Rebecca De Mornay 10-24-2013 10:01 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
:lol well at least golf happens slowly.

there is just too much happening too quickly in hockey to even begin to describe it.

no comment on NASCAR.

Bron Yr Aur 10-24-2013 10:06 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2013/...ckey-analytics

This is an absolutely wonderful article that gives an introduction to some simple elements of advanced hockey analysis. Really good stuff.

wampa3 10-24-2013 10:39 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I fully expect the NHL to give Scott 5 games. Have a bucket of popcorn next to me waiting to watch twitter explode.

swordo84 10-24-2013 10:42 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 14881041)
I fully expect the NHL to give Scott 5 games. Have a bucket of popcorn next to me waiting to watch twitter explode.

This is my thought too. I'd love to see 20, but 5 seems to be the length de jour.

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 11:10 AM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I'm thinking 8. While he's just a big goon, he's not at Kaletta status just yet so hoping in between.

swordo84 10-24-2013 12:12 PM

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Guys, it's cool. Scott "felt sick to his stomach last night"

*exaggerated wank-off motion*

TMoore4075 10-24-2013 12:18 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by swordo84 (Post 14881213)
Guys, it's cool. Scott "felt sick to his stomach last night"

*exaggerated wank-off motion*

When a non-goon says it, that's fine. When Lapierre said the same thing I was like...yeah ok.

HallowBillies7 10-24-2013 12:40 PM

Wow I've read a lot of people online saying that this is the same as the Lucic hit on Miller, which I find ridiculous.

lockman21 10-24-2013 01:03 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14880949)
:lol there is no sport worse for radio than hockey

even tennis would be better

I actually love hockey on the radio. If you get a guy that paints a nice picture, it can be fantastic. I LOVE LOVE LOVE John Wiedeman (Blackhawks radio play-by-play guy). Listen to some of his calls:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDsjIDV3cs (My all time favorite hockey game)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCOinbvEsuU (Well worth the 6 minute watch)

Rebecca De Mornay 10-24-2013 01:04 PM

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I had an important message for you a page or 2 ago Chris

lockman21 10-24-2013 01:17 PM

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Now here's my opinion on the John Scott incident, and it'll probably be an unpopular one.

John Scott is not a shit bag, is not "classless", is not a thug. The hit looks bad, yes, and I really hope Loui can come back soon...HOWEVER...I don't think it was a "dirty" hit. I don't in any way think Scott intended to injure Loui. Not only because Scott is almost notoriously known for being one of the nicest and most genuine guys in the NHL, but because I don't think Scott is good enough on his skates to really make that kind of split second decision.

He is sent out there with 1 mission from his coaches, which Mr. Juilen so nicely reminded us all of post game. I quote, "He did his job. He's there to do 2 things: to fight and to hurt. He did both of those things" This is 100% true. He's an enforcer. He's sent out there to put some hurt into guys. Does he intend to injure them? I in no way believe so...but that's the role of an enforcer. Hockey teams need different role guys. Not everyone is sent out there to score goals. Scott is sent out to make star players a little more timid when they handle the puck.

John Scott has about 8 inches on Eriksson. His shoulder lines up with Eriksson's head. He probably saw an opportunity to check a star player for the other team, lined him up, and just so happened to hit him in a bad spot. Scott is a huge guy. This is a size difference issue as much as anything.

Also, Eriksson needs to keep his fucking head up in the neutral zone, and I would bet my next paycheck that Loui said the same thing, or at least thought it. Toews learned that early when he got ROCKED by Willie Mitchell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbLiGXqHIA

You know what Toews said postgame about that hit? Not that Mitchell is a dirty player, but that it was his fault for having his head down (which you actually hear the announcer say something about that after the hit too).

Long story short, let's not start a witch hunt for John Scott.

lockman21 10-24-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 14879206)
Thanks lockman. love you bunches.

:lol I'm sorry man, I just saw it and had to post it. The grilled cheese thing cracked me up. LOLGC will be back to OMGCG in no time.

This is for you:

http://youtu.be/2GgwJKffC8I?t=6m16s (I promise this isn't Patrick Kane)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebecca De Mornay (Post 14879291)
Few things...

Strong win for CBJ last night, really fun game to be at, almost everything went well. It's hard to figure exactly what NJ's problem is. Maybe not enough size, CBJ was able to control the puck on their end for most of the night and dominate in front of the net. Atkinson is turning into a big time hockey player. Also, Jagr can still fucking play, which is incredible to me.

I got 3rd row seats behind the visitors bench through work for the game Friday night. They're playing the Leafs so Chris if you want me to try and relay a message to Bolland for you let me know, otherwise just be jealous that I'll be <10 feet away for him for a few hours.

Just say this to him for me, please:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwXanLZfvrQ

kev87lads 10-24-2013 01:58 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
I'm sniffing a potential three goals for the Flyers tonight! Sniffing it!

Also sniffing Mason finally having a bad game and gives up 5!

mr.MikeD 10-24-2013 02:06 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 14881342)
Now here's my opinion on the John Scott incident, and it'll probably be an unpopular one.

John Scott is not a shit bag, is not "classless", is not a thug. The hit looks bad, yes, and I really hope Loui can come back soon...HOWEVER...I don't think it was a "dirty" hit. I don't in any way think Scott intended to injure Loui. Not only because Scott is almost notoriously known for being one of the nicest and most genuine guys in the NHL, but because I don't think Scott is good enough on his skates to really make that kind of split second decision.

He is sent out there with 1 mission from his coaches, which Mr. Juilen so nicely reminded us all of post game. I quote, "He did his job. He's there to do 2 things: to fight and to hurt. He did both of those things" This is 100% true. He's an enforcer. He's sent out there to put some hurt into guys. Does he intend to injure them? I in no way believe so...but that's the role of an enforcer. Hockey teams need different role guys. Not everyone is sent out there to score goals. Scott is sent out to make star players a little more timid when they handle the puck.

John Scott has about 8 inches on Eriksson. His shoulder lines up with Eriksson's head. He probably saw an opportunity to check a star player for the other team, lined him up, and just so happened to hit him in a bad spot. Scott is a huge guy. This is a size difference issue as much as anything.

Also, Eriksson needs to keep his fucking head up in the neutral zone, and I would bet my next paycheck that Loui said the same thing, or at least thought it. Toews learned that early when he got ROCKED by Willie Mitchell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLbLiGXqHIA

You know what Toews said postgame about that hit? Not that Mitchell is a dirty player, but that it was his fault for having his head down (which you actually hear the announcer say something about that after the hit too).

Long story short, let's not start a witch hunt for John Scott.

Which is why I think the fighter/enforcer role is kind of bullshit - their job to hurt people via hits or fighting, but just the right amount. Not too little, not too much, don't hurt you hands punching a helmet/visor. Good luck!

DynastyDrummer1 10-24-2013 02:36 PM

Re: The NHL 2013-14 Thread
 
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Originally Posted by HallowBillies7 (Post 14881254)
Wow I've read a lot of people online saying that this is the same as the Lucic hit on Miller, which I find ridiculous.

Alot of people don't know what they're talking about. This isn't even close to the Lucic hit.

He got suspended indefinitely. As a Sabres fan that's great news to finally get the guy off of the ice, but as a hockey fan I don't know if I agree with that. I was expecting somewhere between 5-8, mostly because he doesn't have any priors.

I just want him back for the Toronto game. Let him back for that and suspend him again afterwards.

DynastyDrummer1 10-24-2013 02:44 PM

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Also, I agree with what Chris said. Eriksson needs to keep his head up there....

And it's worth noting, Scott went to Ott last night and got Eriksson's phone number since they played together in Dallas.


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