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bonzo48280 03-12-2012 01:48 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13425803)
Nahh...without Sharp we went something like 5-2-1. Without Toews we have been surviving 'ok.' Hammer & Montador both went out toward the very end of the losing streak, right when the team started playing better. The injuries excuse is nonsense. The team was, for the most part, healthy during the 9-game losing streak.
No, you're wrong. There is no point even getting into it, you're wrong.

JRS1386 03-12-2012 01:54 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
So I make an amendment to the Brohan clause and that is anyone who has a username that begins with Bro are likely to make dumb arguments

TMoore4075 03-12-2012 02:35 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Apparently hybrid icing is getting some traction at the GM meetings. One that has some interest is getting rid of the hand pass in your own zone. Thoughts?

lockman21 03-12-2012 02:39 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13425803)
Nahh...without Sharp we went something like 5-2-1. Without Toews we have been surviving 'ok.' Hammer & Montador both went out toward the very end of the losing streak, right when the team started playing better. The injuries excuse is nonsense. The team was, for the most part, healthy during the 9-game losing streak.
What in God's name do you smoke? Because you should stop.

TMoore4075 03-12-2012 02:39 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13426137)
What in God's name do you smoke? Because you should stop.
Or should he not? Might be kinda fun.

dduncan6er 03-12-2012 02:40 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Clearly Carcillo is more important to the Hawks than Sharp or Toews.

dduncan6er 03-12-2012 02:41 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
In fact Carcillo should probably wear the C in Chicago next year.

fonzz41 03-12-2012 02:43 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13426120)
Apparently hybrid icing is getting some traction at the GM meetings. One that has some interest is getting rid of the hand pass in your own zone. Thoughts?
Did they mention the reasoning behind it? I see no problem with it. If anything, it adds another element - albeit a small one - to the game that allows players an option when they get into trouble.

I guess I just don't quite see how that addresses the bigger issues (in my mind): player safety and scoring. I would say the salary cap as well, but where it could be changing anyways with the new CBA, I haven't thought too much about it.

fonzz41 03-12-2012 02:44 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
I hear plans for a Carcillo statue outside the arena are already being made.

Hull
Mikita
Carcillo

wampa3 03-12-2012 02:47 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13426120)
Apparently hybrid icing is getting some traction at the GM meetings. One that has some interest is getting rid of the hand pass in your own zone. Thoughts?
I think the most interesting thing about suggesting to remove the handpass is that the only way they can remove it is if they penalize the offending player. My initial reaction would that it just creates another reason to blow the whistle, but it would certainly create more scoring opportunities if the consequence was generating PPs.

I'm really not sure how to feel about it. Overall it seems like a cheap way to generate more offense in the game because asking refs to call penalties that require judgement is too much to ask.

s0628711 03-12-2012 02:48 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
No hand pass would obviously be an advantage to the offense.

As for player safety, I really think it comes down to equipment and ice size. One is fixable, the other pretty difficult.

That said, huge win for the rangers last night. Gaborik, Hagelin, Richards just dominated and torts played the A LOT.

Good way to start a seven game, fourteen day home stand. Should be able to get by Carolina tuesday and Thursday is going to be huge with Pitt comig to town.

kev87lads 03-12-2012 02:48 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13426120)
Apparently hybrid icing is getting some traction at the GM meetings. One that has some interest is getting rid of the hand pass in your own zone. Thoughts?
I, like all of us, am a big fan of the game. But can't you get away with a hand pass in the defensive zone now as it is?...... As long as you touch it in your own zone still.

I'm down with hybrid icing.

TMoore4075 03-12-2012 02:58 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13426153)
Did they mention the reasoning behind it? I see no problem with it. If anything, it adds another element - albeit a small one - to the game that allows players an option when they get into trouble.

I guess I just don't quite see how that addresses the bigger issues (in my mind): player safety and scoring. I would say the salary cap as well, but where it could be changing anyways with the new CBA, I haven't thought too much about it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wampa3 (Post 13426164)
I think the most interesting thing about suggesting to remove the handpass is that the only way they can remove it is if they penalize the offending player. My initial reaction would that it just creates another reason to blow the whistle, but it would certainly create more scoring opportunities if the consequence was generating PPs.

I'm really not sure how to feel about it. Overall it seems like a cheap way to generate more offense in the game because asking refs to call penalties that require judgement is too much to ask.
I haven't heard a reason for it but yeah how do you "legislate it?" Penalty? I don't like that. It is a huge advantage to the offense but I don't like it. I remember once hearing them saying letting players do a hand pass anywhere to create more offense. Apparently that's gone. The one thing I like is this is coming from the GM's not the Bettman. I can at least respect the GM's as feeling this is better for the game. While Bettman would only want it to be bring fans in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev87lads (Post 13426170)
I, like all of us, am a big fan of the game. But can't you get away with a hand pass in the defensive zone now as it is?...... As long as you touch it in your own zone still.

I'm down with hybrid icing.
You can get away with it not. The idea is that you won't be able to after this and possibly get a penalty for it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by s0628711 (Post 13426167)
No hand pass would obviously be an advantage to the offense.

As for player safety, I really think it comes down to equipment and ice size. One is fixable, the other pretty difficult.

That said, huge win for the rangers last night. Gaborik, Hagelin, Richards just dominated and torts played the A LOT.

Good way to start a seven game, fourteen day home stand. Should be able to get by Carolina tuesday and Thursday is going to be huge with Pitt comig to town.
I agree with the equipment. I bring it up every time because guys on Fox Sports Detroit had and so did Don Cherry. Look at the pads Chris Chelios played with compared to some of these guys now. They are football players on skates.

lockman21 03-12-2012 03:00 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13426139)
Or should he not? Might be kinda fun.
It would be a good time...I guess?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 13426142)
Clearly Carcillo is more important to the Hawks than Sharp or Toews.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 13426147)
In fact Carcillo should probably wear the C in Chicago next year.
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13426157)
I hear plans for a Carcillo statue outside the arena are already being made.

Hull
Mikita
Carcillo
:lol:lol

As far as no hand passes, I think it's dumb. ESPECIALLY if they start handing out penalties for that. Hybrid icing I'm all for.

wampa3 03-12-2012 03:16 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13426210)
It would be a good time...I guess?







:lol:lol

As far as no hand passes, I think it's dumb. ESPECIALLY if they start handing out penalties for that. Hybrid icing I'm all for.
There would really be no other way to outlaw otherwise because if all it did was cause a stoppage of play, the defending team would do everything they could during penalties or extended shifts just to get a whistle.

Here's my take of the different scenarios

Stoppage of play hand-pass -> Inexcusably slows down the game for no good reason.

Penalized hand-pass -> Gives a decent advantage to the offense between players now avoiding clearing the zone by any means possible and generating more PPs if it happens. Doesn't excuse the lack of calls with egregious interference and holding penalities.

Bron Yr Aur 03-12-2012 04:00 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13426000)
No, you're wrong. There is no point even getting into it, you're wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 13426137)
What in God's name do you smoke? Because you should stop.
What the fuck kind of argument is this? You disagree but provide no counter-argument. I'm not saying Dan Carcillo is one of the Hawks' best players, just that I like him as a role player on the team.

bonzo48280 03-12-2012 04:15 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Sharp did not get too 100% playing speed until the end of the losing streak.
Toews suffered his concussion in the middle of it.
Hammer and Montador got injured the game before Toews did.

Carcillo also got hurt the first game in January, the Hawks continued to kick ass until the All-Star Break when Sharp was hurt, apparently Hossa had a bum groin after the all-star break until recently, and then Toews Hammer and Montador got piled on top of it. We still aren't even fully healthy.

Losing Carcillo did not negatively affect this team...in any way. He's a nice 4th line role player, but we will and have survived without him, we just had bad luck with injuries and goaltending for about 3 weeks, and we are in the process of getting it all behind us now.

lockman21 03-12-2012 04:16 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bron Yr Aur (Post 13426409)
What the fuck kind of argument is this? You disagree but provide no counter-argument. I'm not saying Dan Carcillo is one of the Hawks' best players, just that I like him as a role player on the team.
Your arguments basically went like this:

"Look at how much more successful the Hawks were with Carcillo:

______________"

"Nah, we're fine without Sharp and we're doing OK without Toews."

Why would we bother with a "counter-argument" to that nonsense?

If you remember, our losing streak started against the Preds and we were without Sharp in both those games, and without Toews in one of them. The injury bug has been a problem all year for this team.

It's a stupid argument you're making, which is why neither of us bothered a response.

bonzo48280 03-12-2012 04:29 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
I totally forgot that Toews had a bad wrist too during the losing streak. If only we would have had Carcillo to bail us out we would be in the Stanley Cup finals by now

fonzz41 03-12-2012 04:53 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 13426204)
I haven't heard a reason for it but yeah how do you "legislate it?" Penalty? I don't like that. It is a huge advantage to the offense but I don't like it. I remember once hearing them saying letting players do a hand pass anywhere to create more offense. Apparently that's gone. The one thing I like is this is coming from the GM's not the Bettman. I can at least respect the GM's as feeling this is better for the game. While Bettman would only want it to be bring fans in.


You can get away with it not. The idea is that you won't be able to after this and possibly get a penalty for it.
It's a silly idea, and one that shows they are grasping at straws and hoping to come up with a handful. Disallowing hand passes affecting scoring?? Maybe by a very marginal, miniscule amount.

I know scoring has gone down recently, but it hasn't really affected the game much for me. I've watched some of the most exciting games I've seen in the past couple years, even with scoring on the decline.

If anything, they need to find a way to reorient some of the on-ice officials, as I'm slowly starting to see some of the clutch-and-grab style creep back slowly into the game. It's only natural that it would gravitate back to this way after a few years. It's not TERRIBLE yet, but I see a trend starting and in a few years, unchecked, it could be back to the way it was. Who knows, maybe Derian Hatcher could come out of retirement and be successful again! :lol

fonzz41 03-12-2012 04:58 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonzo48280 (Post 13426513)
I totally forgot that Toews had a bad wrist too during the losing streak. If only we would have had Carcillo to bail us out we would be in the Stanley Cup finals by now
Carcillo could have just touched his wrist and it would have been healed.

efraser77 03-12-2012 05:08 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13426562)
It's a silly idea, and one that shows they are grasping at straws and hoping to come up with a handful. Disallowing hand passes affecting scoring?? Maybe by a very marginal, miniscule amount.

I know scoring has gone down recently, but it hasn't really affected the game much for me. I've watched some of the most exciting games I've seen in the past couple years, even with scoring on the decline.

If anything, they need to find a way to reorient some of the on-ice officials, as I'm slowly starting to see some of the clutch-and-grab style creep back slowly into the game. It's only natural that it would gravitate back to this way after a few years. It's not TERRIBLE yet, but I see a trend starting and in a few years, unchecked, it could be back to the way it was. Who knows, maybe Derian Hatcher could come out of retirement and be successful again! :lol
It has for me...because my team is not scoring. :BANG

fonzz41 03-12-2012 05:14 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efraser77 (Post 13426599)
It has for me...because my team is not scoring. :BANG
Sorry man. :hug

Tell the teams they play against to not hand pass... that should help. :rolleyes

efraser77 03-12-2012 05:22 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 13426614)
Sorry man. :hug

Tell the teams they play against to not hand pass... that should help. :rolleyes
:lol

Seriously, I don't know what is going on. I've never been hypercritical of my team, I tend to be sentimental and optimistic, but I'm really worrying that the Thornton/Marleau window has closed, and I don't even know if McLellan is actually a good coach, or just a mediocre one who was given a great situation that could mask the mediocrity for a while. But we've slid from 3rd to 9th, and as someone on a Sharks board said yesterday, it's looking less like a slump and more like a meltdown. Even if we do manage to grab the 7th or 8th spot, they've shown me zero reason to believe they could pull off a series win against Vancouver, Detroit or St. Louis. :shrug

~Crashintome89~ 03-12-2012 05:39 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
NHL 12 pisses me off sometimes. There seems to be like a five game stretch where all the bounces go for the other team.

efraser77 03-12-2012 05:41 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Crashintome89~ (Post 13426662)
NHL 12 pisses me off sometimes. There seems to be like a five game stretch where all the bounces go for the other team.
Totally, I agree.







Oh wait, you were talking about a video game...

~Crashintome89~ 03-12-2012 05:42 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Also RIP to "History Will Be Made" commercials.

JRS1386 03-12-2012 05:44 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
I liked those commercials

Roose13 03-12-2012 06:03 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dduncan6er (Post 13426147)
In fact Carcillo should probably wear the C in Chicago next year.
Can't spell "Carcillo" without "C"

efraser77 03-12-2012 06:09 PM
Re: NHL 2011/2012 Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by efraser77 (Post 13426633)
:lol

Seriously, I don't know what is going on. I've never been hypercritical of my team, I tend to be sentimental and optimistic, but I'm really worrying that the Thornton/Marleau window has closed, and I don't even know if McLellan is actually a good coach, or just a mediocre one who was given a great situation that could mask the mediocrity for a while. But we've slid from 3rd to 9th, and as someone on a Sharks board said yesterday, it's looking less like a slump and more like a meltdown. Even if we do manage to grab the 7th or 8th spot, they've shown me zero reason to believe they could pull off a series win against Vancouver, Detroit or St. Louis. :shrug
Puck Daddy is reading this thread. Twelve minutes after I wrote this, Wysh wondered exactly the same thing. :lol :( :shrug :lorraine


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