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TMoore4075 02-25-2015 02:16 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Stop talking guys. Pavel Datsyuk is the real answer.

barbogast 02-25-2015 02:23 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15841570)
it's to be expected because it's true

Backstrom has great hands and delivers great passes, no doubt

but what Crosby can do:
on the backhand
at full speed (which is decidedly faster than most)
with his skates
with his vision
without looking
behind the net
creating lanes when one isn't there

i'm sorry, there's no one that can do it like he can, he's unmatched
I would seriously argue Nick is better at the bolded categories. Not to mention he effective he is on the half wall. I've never seen a player run a power play better from the half wall than Nicky does

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 02:27 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15841573)
Stop talking guys. Pavel Datsyuk is the real answer.
10 years ago before Crosby polished his game, i would agree

Quote:
Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15841599)
I would seriously argue Nick is better at the bolded categories. Not to mention he effective he is on the half wall. I've never seen a player run a power play better from the half wall than Nicky does
:lol ahh c'mon man, the backhand is the one category where no one is even close to Sid

the other 2, sure Backstrom is close

lockman21 02-25-2015 02:37 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15841558)
As always, Backstrom doesn't get the credit he deserves

He is THE BEST passer currently in the NHL, though I'm sure if you asked the everyday NHL fan they would unanimously say it's Sid. It's to be expected, really
Backstrom has great vision, but I'd take Crosby, Kane, and Datsyuk's ability to sauce over Backstrom any day.

lockman21 02-25-2015 02:38 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dramageek (Post 15841434)
Kane placed on Long Term IR. Ouch. Sorry to hear that, Hawks fans. I missed the play. What happened to him?
Unfortunate accident. Weird play, knew the LTIR was coming.

~Crashintome89~ 02-25-2015 02:46 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
In no particular order, the best passers in the league: Crosby, Kane, Giroux, Datsyuk, Backstrom, Thornton.

barbogast 02-25-2015 02:50 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
All great answers. I'll take the guy leading the league in assists ;)

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 02:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15841660)
All great answers. I'll take the guy leading the league in assists ;)
although this is technically true, this tells a better story:

Backstrom: 46 assists in 61 games

Crosby: 42 assists in 56 games

they are both averaging 0.75 assists per game this season, and Backstrom has the best goal scorer in the league on his line, Sid doesn't

also, it's a down year for Sid, a very down year

TMoore4075 02-25-2015 02:59 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barbogast (Post 15841660)
All great answers. I'll take the guy leading the league in assists ;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15841669)
although this is technically true, this tells a better story:

Backstrom: 46 assists in 61 games

Crosby: 42 assists in 56 games

they are both averaging 0.75 assists per game this season, and Backstrom has the best goal scorer in the league on his line, Sid doesn't

also, it's a down year for Sid, a very down year
Just to be a troll, cause this has no bearing on the argument at all, I'll take the 2 time Stanley Cup winner, Pavel Datsyuk.

Dramageek 02-25-2015 03:58 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15841636)
Unfortunate accident. Weird play, knew the LTIR was coming.
To quote The Dude: "That's a bummer, man."

Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15841669)
although this is technically true, this tells a better story:

Backstrom: 46 assists in 61 games

Crosby: 42 assists in 56 games

they are both averaging 0.75 assists per game this season, and Backstrom has the best goal scorer in the league on his line, Sid doesn't

also, it's a down year for Sid, a very down year
Yet he still could pull the scoring title out of his rear end. But yeah, he is out of sorts this year.

TMoore4075 02-25-2015 04:00 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Winnik to the Pens and Tlusty to the Jets.

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 04:05 PM
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Winnik to Pittsburgh for Sill

don't know much about him, looks like they'll plug him into the bottom 6

lockman21 02-25-2015 04:16 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Hawks rumored to be close to acquiring Sekera.

TMoore4075 02-25-2015 04:17 PM
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Deadline day gonna suck again won't it?

fonzz41 02-25-2015 04:17 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15841772)
Winnik to the Pens and Tlusty to the Jets.
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15841781)
Winnik to Pittsburgh for Sill

don't know much about him, looks like they'll plug him into the bottom 6
Good pickup by the Pens. Great bottom 6 player who can play the PK, is gritty, but yet has the speed to shadow opponents. If he keeps doing what he's doing, you'll like him on the team. May not contribute much offensively, but I doubt that's what he'll be asked to do.

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 04:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15841796)
Hawks rumored to be close to acquiring Sekera.
that would be a nice addition for the hawks

TheLastPig 02-25-2015 04:19 PM
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Winnik will probably play 3rd line with Sutter.

Pens gave up Zach Sill, 2015 4th rounder and 2016 2nd rounder. Hopefully it pays off.

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 04:20 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15841801)
Good pickup by the Pens. Great bottom 6 player who can play the PK, is gritty, but yet has the speed to shadow opponents. If he keeps doing what he's doing, you'll like him on the team. May not contribute much offensively, but I doubt that's what he'll be asked to do.
yea that would be exactly what the penguins need...Sill was ok for what he was but he wasn't getting a sweater lately.

i'd still look for the pens to add to their blue line if the right deal is out there

their cap issues are going to limit the possibilities though

TheLastPig 02-25-2015 04:20 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
I hope Jagr doesn't end up in Washington or on the Island... would be a kick in the nuts.

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 04:24 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 15841812)
Winnik will probably play 3rd line with Sutter.
thats going to depend on what they do with Bennett

i'd love to see this:

Hornqvist-Crosby-Perron
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Winnik-Sutter-Downie
Adams-Lapierre-Comeau

Downie and Comeau are interchangeable as far as 3rd & 4th line go, but Bennett seems to be stuck in the bottom 6 right now and Comeau is getting top 6 minutes

lockman21 02-25-2015 04:28 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15841682)
Just to be a troll, cause this has no bearing on the argument at all, I'll take the 2 time Stanley Cup winner, Pavel Datsyuk.
I'd also take Datsyuk. The guy sees the ice better than anyone I've ever seen. Him and Kane are my 1 and 1a. Same love of finding open space, moving the puck in ways that really no other players in the world can.

I love Sid's playmaking ability, and ability to create his own open space. I think that's why I don't put Sid in the same passing category as Kane and Datsyuk. Sid makes his plays and creates scoring in a different way. He's strong on the puck, and fast as shit. He sees things in a different way than everyone else. I'm not saying he's a BAD passer at all, he's elite for sure, but I think that Sid creates his own scoring chances and scoring chances for others in other ways than just great passes, which is where his great assist numbers come from.

barbogast 02-25-2015 04:28 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLastPig (Post 15841817)
I hope Jagr doesn't end up in Washington or on the Island... would be a kick in the nuts.
God forgive me for even thinking this, but Jagr in DC actually makes a reasonable amount of sense

You all know how I feel about him though, not sure I could stomach it if it happened

fonzz41 02-25-2015 04:28 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hailtopitt (Post 15841824)
thats going to depend on what they do with Bennett

i'd love to see this:

Hornqvist-Crosby-Perron
Kunitz-Malkin-Bennett
Winnik-Sutter-Downie
Adams-Lapierre-Comeau

Downie and Comeau are interchangeable as far as 3rd & 4th line go, but Bennett seems to be stuck in the bottom 6 right now and Comeau is getting top 6 minutes
Another great thing about Winnik is he can basically play all three positions. I think he's a natural center (at least that's what he played on the Avs) and is pretty good on face-offs. I was upset when the Avs traded him away.

lockman21 02-25-2015 04:30 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15841772)
Winnik to the Pens and Tlusty to the Jets.
Wow. Crazy.

fonzz41 02-25-2015 04:33 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lockman21 (Post 15841831)
I'd also take Datsyuk. The guy sees the ice better than anyone I've ever seen. Him and Kane are my 1 and 1a. Same love of finding open space, moving the puck in ways that really no other players in the world can.

I love Sid's playmaking ability, and ability to create his own open space. I think that's why I don't put Sid in the same passing category as Kane and Datsyuk. Sid makes his plays and creates scoring in a different way. He's strong on the puck, and fast as shit. He sees things in a different way than everyone else. I'm not saying he's a BAD passer at all, he's elite for sure, but I think that Sid creates his own scoring chances and scoring chances for others in other ways than just great passes, which is where his great assist numbers come from.
Very much all this.

And something to point out that you've alluded to is that it's not about being a good "passer". Passing is one of the "easier" hockey skills, if I could dare to call it that. Anyone who's played the game for a fair amount of time can be a good passer, even at full speed. Basically, anyone in the NHL is a good passer or else they wouldn't be there. What separates the Datsyuks, Backstroms, and Crosbys from the rest of the NHL pack is more their VISION. Being able to read a play, read where guys are going to be, and then drawing on their second-nature (at this point) passing skills to put the puck where it needs to be. That vision can't always be learned, and the three guys we're arguing about possess it in droves.

hailtopitt 02-25-2015 04:39 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15841834)
Another great thing about Winnik is he can basically play all three positions. I think he's a natural center (at least that's what he played on the Avs) and is pretty good on face-offs. I was upset when the Avs traded him away.
yea the versatility will help for sure but there's no way he's playing center on this team.

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Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15841849)
Very much all this.

And something to point out that you've alluded to is that it's not about being a good "passer". Passing is one of the "easier" hockey skills, if I could dare to call it that. Anyone who's played the game for a fair amount of time can be a good passer, even at full speed. Basically, anyone in the NHL is a good passer or else they wouldn't be there. What separates the Datsyuks, Backstroms, and Crosbys from the rest of the NHL pack is more their VISION. Being able to read a play, read where guys are going to be, and then drawing on their second-nature (at this point) passing skills to put the puck where it needs to be. That vision can't always be learned, and the three guys we're arguing about possess it in droves.
yea Crosby is a cut above, IMO, because he can "pull off" a pass that most guys can't

with 1 hand on the stick and 1 hand fighting off a defender, when he's facing the wall etc etc

also, something that i really only see Sid do with regularity, is pass people open...almost like a good QB in football...a guy could be locked up with a defender, or getting out skated, or not have body position, and Sid can put a pass is just the right spot to open his teammate up, effectively making good defensive positioning and good gap irrelevant when Crosby is distributing

it's ridiculous

fonzz41 02-25-2015 05:09 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Ward saying Sekera to Kings.

TMoore4075 02-25-2015 05:10 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
It is true. Monday is gonna blow.

lockman21 02-25-2015 05:11 PM
Re: The NHL Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fonzz41 (Post 15841933)
Ward saying Sekera to Kings.
Son of bitch.

fonzz41 02-25-2015 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TMoore4075 (Post 15841936)
It is true. Monday is gonna blow.
Yep... All Monday we'll be sitting in front of our computers, watching streaming TSN for news on where Ralph Diaz gets traded. :lol


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